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If you buy 1 share of BitCO for 8 BTC, you will be entitled to .1 BTC per month in dividends, or 1.2 BTC per year.  That is a 15% yield per annum.  Any serious investor will tell you that type of yield is very high.  However, since this is a brand new concept, we are comfortable pricing the shares at 8 and offering such an attractive yield.  We feel it will be beneficial to the Bitcoin community.  

No, it is too low. SERIOUSLY too low.

This is a high risk investment with a high risk of loosing the value after half or one year of return. THis is not a guaranteed bond by someone with a balance sheet. This i not an investment into a significantly growing business. I wont touch that with my investment side, sorry. Not for a yearly 15% yield. Make that 150% and w can talk - then after half a year I recouped most of my investment.
legendary
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Our monthly production will exceed 150 BTC.

But the mining reward gets cut in half in ~1yr. I'm guessing the dividends will be cut in half as well..?

It is a concern, but we (like many people), are hoping that transaction fees will make up some of the shortfall.

Also, we hope to have expanded the operation enough to offset some of the 50% drop in rewards. 

legendary
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The office buildings we are in have pooled utility expense, so our increase in cost is barely perceptible.

Welp, there's the sleaziness every bitcoin operation has to have.  Most miners have 50-75% of their revenue eaten up by their power bills, but you've managed to negate this problem by spreading the cost to others without their consent.  I'm sure the other businesses in your building(s) would love to know you're running a dozen computers at full power drain 24 hours a day.

Have you projected how long it will take you to get solvent? (remember, revenue =/= profit, common bitcoin mistake) How will you handle the price of bitcoins going down, and the difficulty going up?

How is it sleazy at all?  I have a 5 year lease agreement that very clearly lays out what is allowed.  We are absolutely in compliance with that agreement.
 
I love how people just assume to know everything. 

We are already solvent, so I am not sure what your question is.  Are you asking how long it will take us to pay off our capital investment? 

Like we have said a few times already, the price of BTC/USD is not a primary focus for us.  We seek to mine BTC, take investment in BTC, and pay dividends in BTC.  The obsession with the exchange rate by some people is completely missing the point of what we are trying to accomplish here. 

Finally, last time I checked the difficulty has dropped 3 or 4 times in a row.  It is our belief that we have hit a ceiling in terms of difficulty increases. 
legendary
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tbh i didnt read

LOL....well see, there ya go! 

didnt read your replys i meant. goes on and on and on... but seriously learn about shares


ROFLMAO.  Once again, your initial post shows you have no clue what you are talking about.  Move on loser. 
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Our monthly production will exceed 150 BTC.

But the mining reward gets cut in half in ~1yr. I'm guessing the dividends will be cut in half as well..?
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The office buildings we are in have pooled utility expense, so our increase in cost is barely perceptible.

Welp, there's the sleaziness every bitcoin operation has to have.  Most miners have 50-75% of their revenue eaten up by their power bills, but you've managed to negate this problem by spreading the cost to others without their consent.  I'm sure the other businesses in your building(s) would love to know you're running a dozen computers at full power drain 24 hours a day.

Have you projected how long it will take you to get solvent? (remember, revenue =/= profit, common bitcoin mistake) How will you handle the price of bitcoins going down, and the difficulty going up?
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tbh i didnt read

LOL....well see, there ya go! 

didnt read your replys i meant. goes on and on and on... but seriously learn about shares
legendary
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tbh i didnt read
legendary
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You really dont understand how shares work do you? You cant set the price of the shares as you wish, by saying 0.1btc per share with 1000 shares, your automatically valueing your "company" at 100btc... for what exactly? you dont have anything.

Since Alfalfa pointed out that I can be fairly condescending is my responses, I will go easy on this one.  Really though, your post is silly.

To say I don't understand how shares work, considering what I do for a living outside of Bitcoin, is stupid.  If you would take the time to read the proposal, or had any knowledge of how share sales actually work, you would see how off-base you are.

When a company offers shares to the public for the first time, they absolutely set an acceptable range for pricing.  In terms if valuing the company, you really did not read a bit of the proposal did you?  .1 BTC is what the monthly dividend will be set at, not what we are willing to sell shares for.  

Finally, we don't have anyting?  What in God's name are you talking about?  We have a hardware investment of over $7,000 and monthly BTC production in excess of 150 BTC.  How exactly is that having nothing?

Seriously, if you don't take the time to educate yourself on the matter, just don't post.    



I think the point that the other poster was trying to make is that you seem to have valued your company at $42,800 (based on the current BTC of 5.35) without offering support for that figure.  Based on your numbers, monthly revenue from mining would be ~ $802 with 10% of that amount being returned to shareholders.  Projected earnings don't justify the $40,000+ valuation and neither does your capital investment to date, so the question  of how you arrived at that figure is not an unreasonable one.

I completely agree valuation is a legitimate conversation to have, I just would like the person asking to have the figures correct first.

lets talk about it for a second.  Again, I think even you are a mis-interpreting what we are proposing.

Lets talk exclusively in terms of BTC, as that is what we are truly interested in.  We are not trying to get rich here, we simply want to create a truly legitimate BTC investment.  

Our monthly production will exceed 150 BTC.  By paying out .1 BTC per share, PER MONTH, we are in reality paying out roughly 66% (100 BTC) of monthly revenue, not 10% as you claim.  Right there, any valuation analysis you present subsequent to that assumption will be deeply flawed.

If you buy 1 share of BitCO for 8 BTC, you will be entitled to .1 BTC per month in dividends, or 1.2 BTC per year.  That is a 15% yield per annum.  Any serious investor will tell you that type of yield is very high.  However, since this is a brand new concept, we are comfortable pricing the shares at 8 and offering such an attractive yield.  We feel it will be beneficial to the Bitcoin community.  

Does that help?

PS, just as a follow up, we figure we are offering shares in the company at roughly 6x earnings....hardly an outlandish multiple.   Wink
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You really dont understand how shares work do you? You cant set the price of the shares as you wish, by saying 0.1btc per share with 1000 shares, your automatically valueing your "company" at 100btc... for what exactly? you dont have anything.

Since Alfalfa pointed out that I can be fairly condescending is my responses, I will go easy on this one.  Really though, your post is silly.

To say I don't understand how shares work, considering what I do for a living outside of Bitcoin, is stupid.  If you would take the time to read the proposal, or had any knowledge of how share sales actually work, you would see how off-base you are.

When a company offers shares to the public for the first time, they absolutely set an acceptable range for pricing.  In terms if valuing the company, you really did not read a bit of the proposal did you?  .1 BTC is what the monthly dividend will be set at, not what we are willing to sell shares for. 

Finally, we don't have anyting?  What in God's name are you talking about?  We have a hardware investment of over $7,000 and monthly BTC production in excess of 150 BTC.  How exactly is that having nothing?

Seriously, if you don't take the time to educate yourself on the matter, just don't post.   



I think the point that the other poster was trying to make is that you seem to have valued your company at $42,800 (based on the current BTC of 5.35) without offering support for that figure.  Based on your numbers, monthly revenue from mining would be ~ $802 with 10% of that amount being returned to shareholders.  Projected earnings don't justify the $40,000+ valuation and neither does your capital investment to date, so the question  of how you arrived at that figure is not an unreasonable one.
legendary
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Photos are a good start, but they don't address the "walking away with everyone's money" problem. I think your company will definitively attract some people who are willing to put up with the risk, but the more details you can reveal about yourself the more people will be willing to do business with you. Are you able to identify yourself? Have your incorporated your company or organized it in any legal sense? Do you have an address, perhaps a P.O. box? The more we know about you and your company, the less likely it is for you to walk away with peoples money (being able to track you down and prosecute if necessary), which will result in a much larger business clientele.

We are not yet willing to identify ourselves yet, for many reasons....some pretty obvious.  Our address  is 877 w. Main street. Boise, ID 83702.

we have not legally incorporated in a legal sense yet.  Not sure how to report BTC as income...Smiley
legendary
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You really dont understand how shares work do you? You cant set the price of the shares as you wish, by saying 0.1btc per share with 1000 shares, your automatically valueing your "company" at 100btc... for what exactly? you dont have anything.

Since Alfalfa pointed out that I can be fairly condescending is my responses, I will go easy on this one.  Really though, your post is silly.

To say I don't understand how shares work, considering what I do for a living outside of Bitcoin, is stupid.  If you would take the time to read the proposal, or had any knowledge of how share sales actually work, you would see how off-base you are.

When a company offers shares to the public for the first time, they absolutely set an acceptable range for pricing.  In terms if valuing the company, you really did not read a bit of the proposal did you?  .1 BTC is what the monthly dividend will be set at, not what we are willing to sell shares for. 

Finally, we don't have anyting?  What in God's name are you talking about?  We have a hardware investment of over $7,000 and monthly BTC production in excess of 150 BTC.  How exactly is that having nothing?

Seriously, if you don't take the time to educate yourself on the matter, just don't post.   

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You really dont understand how shares work do you? You cant set the price of the shares as you wish, by saying 0.1btc per share with 1000 shares, your automatically valueing your "company" at 100btc... for what exactly? you dont have anything.
vip
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Photos are a good start, but they don't address the "walking away with everyone's money" problem. I think your company will definitively attract some people who are willing to put up with the risk, but the more details you can reveal about yourself the more people will be willing to do business with you. Are you able to identify yourself? Have your incorporated your company or organized it in any legal sense? Do you have an address, perhaps a P.O. box? The more we know about you and your company, the less likely it is for you to walk away with peoples money (being able to track you down and prosecute if necessary), which will result in a much larger business clientele.
legendary
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Here are some photos of the first office location:

Here are some more empty GPU boxes.  I know ya'all love GPU porn:  http://i.imgur.com/hgVAn.jpg

There are 6 workstations that are identical, and look like this:  http://i.imgur.com/04xr3.jpg

Here is the side panel removed from a workstation:  http://i.imgur.com/yAnf7.jpg

and another:  http://i.imgur.com/RjTga.jpg

and a third:  http://i.imgur.com/dIlgt.jpg

my pride and joy, matching poweredge servers.  2 6-core xeons each.  Unreal power:  http://i.imgur.com/YjyLc.jpg

a custome build stuffed in a back room, alongside another dell box:  http://i.imgur.com/1GqRQ.jpg

did not bother taking the side panel off this one:  http://i.imgur.com/x1F9n.jpg


Am I getting close to convincing some of you we are for real?
legendary
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You'll need to post substantial proof within 24 hours if you want to build some credibility. We've been through this game before, and it's infuriating. Photos and video will help a lot. No excuses, no explanations, no delaying or putting off. Just link photos from imgur and a video from youtube. If you don't, you will lose all credibility instantly and you'll have zero chance building it back up. You'll never meet a more cautious, picky, skeptical, paranoid, risk-adverse group of people in your life. You'll have to lay down every card you got or just go away.

This is going to have to be done in stages, until I get down to the offices later today.

Here are the empty boxes of a little less than half our GPU's:  http://i.imgur.com/1L8TJ.jpg

Here is a miner in a spare room: http://i.imgur.com/Zeu9Z.jpg

Here is the same miner with the side panel removed:  http://i.imgur.com/2jrAd.jpg

A picture of our 24 port switch and server chasis:  http://i.imgur.com/bMpXO.jpg

3 more mining rigs in home office:  http://i.imgur.com/qF72o.jpg

side panel removed on the miner on the left:  http://i.imgur.com/RJLR7.jpg

side panel removed on the miner on the right:  http://i.imgur.com/nZumT.jpg

The miner in the middle is identical to picture 3

a picture of a miner in the bedroom:  http://i.imgur.com/iYnXB.jpg

side panel removed on bedroom miner, with 5970 ready to go back in:  http://i.imgur.com/AAf66.jpg


That is a start, more to follow.

Forgot to post this one, a 6970 hashing away in our living room HTPC:  http://i.imgur.com/FLk4E.jpg
Very impressive.

You made an interesting choice going with dell boxes. That's different from most other farms out there. If you can get a large number of off lease/used dell machines then it's definitely more cost effective than open frame solutions.

You hit it on the head in regards to the Dell boxes.  Believe it or not, all of the Dell machines were collecting dust in a back room.  It was a great way to start a farm.
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You'll need to post substantial proof within 24 hours if you want to build some credibility. We've been through this game before, and it's infuriating. Photos and video will help a lot. No excuses, no explanations, no delaying or putting off. Just link photos from imgur and a video from youtube. If you don't, you will lose all credibility instantly and you'll have zero chance building it back up. You'll never meet a more cautious, picky, skeptical, paranoid, risk-adverse group of people in your life. You'll have to lay down every card you got or just go away.

This is going to have to be done in stages, until I get down to the offices later today.

Here are the empty boxes of a little less than half our GPU's:  http://i.imgur.com/1L8TJ.jpg

Here is a miner in a spare room: http://i.imgur.com/Zeu9Z.jpg

Here is the same miner with the side panel removed:  http://i.imgur.com/2jrAd.jpg

A picture of our 24 port switch and server chasis:  http://i.imgur.com/bMpXO.jpg

3 more mining rigs in home office:  http://i.imgur.com/qF72o.jpg

side panel removed on the miner on the left:  http://i.imgur.com/RJLR7.jpg

side panel removed on the miner on the right:  http://i.imgur.com/nZumT.jpg

The miner in the middle is identical to picture 3

a picture of a miner in the bedroom:  http://i.imgur.com/iYnXB.jpg

side panel removed on bedroom miner, with 5970 ready to go back in:  http://i.imgur.com/AAf66.jpg


That is a start, more to follow.

Forgot to post this one, a 6970 hashing away in our living room HTPC:  http://i.imgur.com/FLk4E.jpg
Very impressive.

You made an interesting choice going with dell boxes. That's different from most other farms out there. If you can get a large number of off lease/used dell machines then it's definitely more cost effective than open frame solutions.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1000
You'll need to post substantial proof within 24 hours if you want to build some credibility. We've been through this game before, and it's infuriating. Photos and video will help a lot. No excuses, no explanations, no delaying or putting off. Just link photos from imgur and a video from youtube. If you don't, you will lose all credibility instantly and you'll have zero chance building it back up. You'll never meet a more cautious, picky, skeptical, paranoid, risk-adverse group of people in your life. You'll have to lay down every card you got or just go away.

This is going to have to be done in stages, until I get down to the offices later today.

Here are the empty boxes of a little less than half our GPU's:  http://i.imgur.com/1L8TJ.jpg

Here is a miner in a spare room: http://i.imgur.com/Zeu9Z.jpg

Here is the same miner with the side panel removed:  http://i.imgur.com/2jrAd.jpg

A picture of our 24 port switch and server chasis:  http://i.imgur.com/bMpXO.jpg

3 more mining rigs in home office:  http://i.imgur.com/qF72o.jpg

side panel removed on the miner on the left:  http://i.imgur.com/RJLR7.jpg

side panel removed on the miner on the right:  http://i.imgur.com/nZumT.jpg

The miner in the middle is identical to picture 3

a picture of a miner in the bedroom:  http://i.imgur.com/iYnXB.jpg

side panel removed on bedroom miner, with 5970 ready to go back in:  http://i.imgur.com/AAf66.jpg


That is a start, more to follow.

Forgot to post this one, a 6970 hashing away in our living room HTPC:  http://i.imgur.com/FLk4E.jpg
legendary
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furthermore, I really could not care less about what the BTC/USD conversion rate is, as we are in the business of mining Bitcoin, Paying dividends in Bitcoin, and taking investment in Bitcoin.  We produce a very steady, very predictable stream of BTC per month, and tha has value to many people. 

You are running a bitcoin business and you don't care about BTC/USD? I'm sorry but you are drinking the kool-aid too deeply. It's an important factor in mining because your electricity and rent costs are tied up in this. It's also a leading indicator on difficulty, so it's kind of like saying you don't care about difficulty.

What is your stance on FPGA versus video cards?

We probably should have addressed this a little more directly in the business plan.  Our cost structure is very, very low.  As we own the two office locations already for other ventures, we do not charge ourselves "Rent".  As for electricity cost, only the residectial location has a meaningful amount of power expense.  The office buildings we are in have pooled utility expense, so our increase in cost is barely perceptible.  That is why the BTC/USD exchange rate does not matter that much to us....we really don't need to convert that much BTC to USD.   

Hope that helps. 

FPGA mining is a business risk that investors will have to weigh before deciding to invest.  We are aware of the threat, but are willing to continue mining despite the risk.

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