Topic: NUCLEAR IS GREENEST TECHNOLOGY CLAIM 65 TOP BIOLOGISTS - page 3. (Read 4238 times)

I agree Solar and Wind should be an alternative energy instead of chemicals.. The Fukushima incident is a sign that we should not support such energies

Ask russia/ukraine and japan how well it worked out for them. "Green" is only until something happens, then it becomes blacker than everything else...for centuries. NO to nuclear energy, lets focus on solar harvesting.

Sure, nuclear is the greenest technology... if you ignore the hundreds of thousands of tons of nuclear waste overflowing with no place to go, and the fallout blanketing the earth from failed reactors.

World's First NUCLEAR SALT REACTOR - Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDytUCRtTA

A liquified salt activator (MSR) is a class of nuclear fission activators where the primary coolant, or also the energy itself, is a liquified salt mix. MSRs perform at higher temperature levels than water-cooled reactors for greater thermodynamic savings, while staying at low vapor tension.

In many designs the nuclear energy is dissolved in the molten fluoride salt coolant as uranium tetrafluoride (UF4). Solid energy designs rely on ceramic energy dispersed in a graphite matrix, regarding the molten salt providing low stress, high temperature level air conditioning.

The early Aircraft Reactor Experiment (1954) was primarily motivated by the tiny dimension that the style might offer, while the Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment (1965-- 1969) was a prototype for a thorium gas cycle breeder activator nuclear power plant. Among the Generation IV reactor designs is a molten-salt-cooled, molten-salt-fuelled reactor; the initial reference design is 1000 MWe.

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A great documentary, Lets hope they succeed 

They raised $410K on kick starter to make the documentry

Lol what a scam. Nuclear technology is deprecated and Geothermal is the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00h0_Tq8ThA&feature=youtu.be


 

If we can figure out nuclear fission for helium we could make a shit ton of energy.

Nuclear is the best way to assure a long term trace of having boiled water. I very dislike nuclear technology. It's a very sure way to have the best case example of why so called public-private partnership are Huuuugggeeee scam.

the public will :
- not be able to decentralize electricity production-storage-innovation due to the low subsidized cost of nuclear energy.
- have to carry the cost of subsidizing the energy production
- will not be able to maximize the conversion of watts to $.
- will not be able to get the fuck out of there (where ever it may be) on a timely fashion (private jet rdy).

the private will:
- not be able to decentralize electricity production-storage-innovation due to the low subsidized cost of nuclear energy.
- will benefits from the low cost of subsidized energy
- will be able to maximize the conversion of watts to $
- will be able to get the fuck out of there (where ever it may be) on a timely fashion (private jet rdy)
- will monster naked short those fç"* shares in case of event
- will profit from the construction, running, disposal of the waste and removal of the operation once old.
- will profit from the increase need of defense budget
...

but more generally speaking it's the lack of decentralization that nuclear technology induce, the inherent system risk of having a centralized energy production, and the inherent systemic risks of the nuclear energy production (a few mistakes and the nearby cities are ghosted faster than... forevermore... ). However I agree that the job that the nuclear industry does is quite interesting. How they have successfully dominate the news on this story... it's ironic that they can't master radioactivity as easily... the soviets learned it the hardway btw... but seems to have too forgotten what they may be ready to inflict upon generations of unborn for the sake of a few lights more at night... 1. decentralized energy production 2. decentralized energy storage... that will be the true alt .

edit: lame me, biologists .

edit2 : it's funny to think that life on earth is water based and that apparently nuclear wastes mix well with water... who knows, the space is wide and dark... only mind conquered by an out of earth life form can support such primitive technology. And frankly NT goes deeply against the philosophy of Earth as best space craft ever. At least now there is apparently still no need to wear a full nbc gear... if you want it hard go on the dark side of the moon or mars and beyond do your "innovations"-"science"-"wars"-"conflicts"-"pollutions".

edit3: you can still reduce a little (but if you get the "tail" it's anyway pointless) by imposing everyone involved to live 5 miles max radius around installations .

I agree to that. There are still some 1st generation reactors and mainly 2nd generation reactors running.
main problem here is the building cost & duration of new nuclear power plants.
Build time and cost is around 3-4 times to that of fossil fueled power plants.

And to be honest if cost would not play the main role we could just use regenerative energy.

The problem is that people generally believe all nuclear power generation is the same, which is not true. Over time, various generations of plants have been designed and built, each significantly safer.  Current designs require operators to sustain their reaction, and default to safer states when things fail.  First and second generation reactors require operators to control the reaction, and faults can leave them in runaway conditions. 

1st generation reactors should be completely shut down (I don't think any are still in large scale operation).  2nd generation should be phased out and replaced with 3+ as soon as possible.

Nuclear energy is actually very safe. There are a very low number of nuclear "incidents" and most incidents involve no deaths/injuries.

The problem with nuclear energy is that when something bad happens it can potentially kill millions of people. On EV level nuclear power is probably more green then solar/wind energy

There is some merit to this opinion. Nuclear power may be the greenest of the all available options, but it is the most risky technology at the same time. Remember we're yet to find a workable solution to get rid of the nuclear waste?

like the radioactive waste from nuclear power plants am i right? just that they are thousands times more toxic for the next 10.000 - 100.000 years  

the source i gave you is from the biggest nuclear lobby in the world. as a nuclear power fan WNA should be your god, your dad and your mother at the same time.
and they say this is just a plain wrong statement.



1. i was thinking of a future where nuclear power plants are replacing coal fueled power plants.

2. please look up the numbers of existing nuclear power plants, coal fueled power plants and the respective ratio.

3. which 3rd world country has nuclear power plants? do tiger states really have more then a handful nuclear power plants?

4. the german security and technology standards regarding nuclear power is far superior to that of the us (and all other in the world) and we are not confident because we have problems.
that should tell you from the US something right? us security and technology standards are pretty much only on par with russia  

5. do you know how many nuclear power plants has to be build so that mankind doesnt need coal anymore?


2-5 years per mca if mankind is lucky lol


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about serious accidents, you should look up the history of nuclear power plants in the us again lol

...and what about dumping the ash? As far as I know that stuff used to go into bricks, cement and landfills... and sometimes to Somalia



There are lots of nuclear power plants in Europe and in the US. Do we have serious accidents in every 2-5 years? I don't think so.
Many of those third world countries and tiger states are already running nuclear power plants without any issues.

If you guys are not confident with your knowledge and safety practices about nuclear power plants, certainly you don't have to use those things .
BTW what will be next? When BMW will start breeding horses ?

I think these surges of environmentalism are something like chickenpox, or wild parties, almost every young people goes trough that but most of them going to recuperate without prolonged symptoms . Don't worry, I'm sure she will be better soon .

no he is not.
and i even posted a source which is from the world nuclear association. only if the coal fuelled powerplant have no working filter system or pollution control the statement is correct.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Radiation-and-Health/Naturally-Occurring-Radioactive-Materials-NORM/




im trying to imagine instead of 2 coal fuelled powerplants we have 1 nuclear power plant.
we would have a ultimate MCA every 2-5 years?

for example:
the funny thing germany has by far (very far) the highest security standards for nuclear power plants, but it is still far from safe, we still have alot of problems happening all over the place.
i dont even wanna imagine how it would look like when third world countries and tiger states are running full on nuclear power.
without the right security nuclear power plants are not that different from a nuclear time bomb.


indeed, ignorance is bliss

He's right. Nearly all coals containing small amounts of radon and radioactive uranium, thorium, barium potassium isotopes in concentration varying with the area where it is mined. Oil and natural gas contains radium and radon. In the ash all of these stuff getting concentrated. More details: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/

Chernobil and Fukushima was two pretty bad accident indeed but, across the world 10-30 thousands of people dying every year because of pollution generated by the coal burning power plants. So there is a hidden cost what we are actually paying day by day, and this isn't some "whos gonna pay when" type guessing, but hard facts.

balthazar could get a job at tschernobyl or fukushima and make a youtube diary on how healthy the radiation there is (helps against acne i heard)

 

One thing for sure: the Soviets knew how to build their monuments to last 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkgcVNUmLQ


I need that hand in my garden now. Just in case of a... flash.

yeah, it's green alright.



A mass worldwide adoption of nuclear power would be the most disastrous thing to ever happen to our human species, the environmentalists are so crazy about carbon dioxide they completely forgot about nuclear radiation. I haven't even gotten into how difficult it is to get rid of the nuclear waste involved with nuclear power and believe me, the more you learn about uranium and the methods used to create nuclear power the more you realise how utterly fucking terrifying it can be even in the right hands.

Japan ran their nuclear power plants like a military base and it still wasn't enough, it's just too unstable to use safely right now.