nutildah got red trust recent hours. Is the red trust fairly for him? - page 5.

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Nope, iCEBBREAKER made repeatedly trolls in Monero, and others (DASH, for instance) for ages.
He also really hate BCash.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 07:03:45 PM

iCEBREAKER likes XMR. nutildah made fun of XMR.

For nutildah, it seems that his case solved for now. I don't know how his issues solved, but looks good for now, even there is no neutral trust/ feedback.
However, I thought that Hhampuz raise reasonable potential forces, his former red trust likely 'back-and-forth' trust between nutildah and iCEBREAKER.
That is at somewhat extent, Trust Abusement, in my standpoint.

Quote from: Hhampuz on March 07, 2019, 11:06:42 AM

I also asked nutildah to remove the negative feedback they had left for iCEBREAKER since at that point it only becomes a back and forth where everyone will lose.

Furthermore, it looks ridiculous to see someone got red trust due to support one of top altcoins, DASH. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 07, 2019, 07:09:43 PM

Is it? I was on DT1 earlier today until one of your pet muppets suddenly decided my judgement could not be trusted by sheer coincidence I am sure.

It's not a coincidence. I don't trust your judgement, don't think you should be on DT, and voted accordingly. What is it about that that's baffling to you? As I said, excluding you was overdue, and the fact that I did so just now is only relevant in your mind because....who knows.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 07, 2019, 07:09:43 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 07:03:45 PM

You can apply your standards anywhere and anytime you want. That's the difference between what you'e proposing (hard rules) and what I prefer (users choosing to include/exclude other users based on how they value their judgement). You're suggesting want to take away my freedom to decide whom to trust, you filthy communist Wink

. I don't want to take anything away from you. Feel free to keep iCEBREAKER in your trust list.

If only you could refocus all that energy you spend on trying to look cutesy into making a logical argument...

The standards I advocate for would not prevent you from doing anything, you would just face consequences from other DT users as a result if you refused to follow those standards. Such a totalitarian I am demanding people be treated innocent until proof of guilt can be produced! Such Communist! WOW!

Welp, it's already something like that, albeit it's your own trust list facing them consequences. Forget the hypocrisy of not following your own "standard". If you can't be bothered to set up a responsible trust list even under the current extremely lax guidelines, you can't be trusted to be in DT.

Is it? I was on DT1 earlier today until one of your pet muppets suddenly decided my judgement could not be trusted by sheer coincidence I am sure. Again, I am perfectly open to reviewing his inclusion but, you insist my trust list is flawed and I am unable to maintain it. Last I checked I was more trusted around here than you even if you are part of the brown nosing human centipede trust mob.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 07, 2019, 07:09:43 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 07:03:45 PM

You can apply your standards anywhere and anytime you want. That's the difference between what you'e proposing (hard rules) and what I prefer (users choosing to include/exclude other users based on how they value their judgement). You're suggesting want to take away my freedom to decide whom to trust, you filthy communist Wink

. I don't want to take anything away from you. Feel free to keep iCEBREAKER in your trust list.

If only you could refocus all that energy you spend on trying to look cutesy into making a logical argument...

The standards I advocate for would not prevent you from doing anything, you would just face consequences from other DT users as a result if you refused to follow those standards. Such a totalitarian I am demanding people be treated innocent until proof of guilt can be produced! Such Communist! WOW!

Welp, it's already something like that, albeit it's your own trust list facing them consequences. Forget the hypocrisy of not following your own "standard". If you can't be bothered to set up a responsible trust list even under the current extremely lax guidelines, you can't be trusted to be in DT.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 07, 2019, 07:01:18 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 10:35:50 AM

Aren't we glad to have TECSHARE in DT, what with the new "standards^*" he's advocating?

Well, everyone is free to cast a vote on that with their exclusions, which I just did. As I explained in the other thread, it was long overdue. I haven't trusted TECSHARE since he stalked me (thread, PM, and finally in a neutral trust when I blocked his PMs) after I didn't feel like engaging in a debate which his inflated ego found necessary to win. He's aggressive and arrogant and I don't think he exhibits sound enough judgement for me not to exclude him.

And you just magically decided this the day of my inclusion into the DT1 did you? Why not earlier? Oh right it is not about the exclusion, it is about making sure I am perpetually marginalized to satiate YOUR OWN ego.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 07:03:45 PM

You can apply your standards anywhere and anytime you want. That's the difference between what you'e proposing (hard rules) and what I prefer (users choosing to include/exclude other users based on how they value their judgement). You're suggesting want to take away my freedom to decide whom to trust, you filthy communist Wink

. I don't want to take anything away from you. Feel free to keep iCEBREAKER in your trust list.

If only you could refocus all that energy you spend on trying to look cutesy into making a logical argument...

The standards I advocate for would not prevent you from doing anything, you would just face consequences from other DT users as a result if you refused to follow those standards. Such a totalitarian I am demanding people be treated innocent until proof of guilt can be produced! Such Communist! WOW!

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on March 07, 2019, 05:28:28 PM

I can't see any trusted feedback on nutildah trust wall on DTview. May be due to iCEBREAKER is out of DT network now. ~~iCEBREAKER (-1)~~ Excluded by Suchmoon and Hhampuz and included by TECSHARE. To be honest I am not getting why nutildah got negative feedback from iCEBREAKER. Although read reference link but it's not pretty clear to me. Am I missing something?

iCEBREAKER likes XMR. nutildah made fun of XMR.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 07, 2019, 06:55:21 PM

I already said I would reconsider my stance if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid. Of course that would require them to admit their own hypocrisy...
Funny how my standards should apply when it serves your brown nosing pals, but not any other time I bring it up, but I am the hypocrite right? LOL.

You can apply your standards anywhere and anytime you want. That's the difference between what you'e proposing (hard rules) and what I prefer (users choosing to include/exclude other users based on how they value their judgement). You're suggesting want to take away my freedom to decide whom to trust, you filthy communist Wink

. I don't want to take anything away from you. Feel free to keep iCEBREAKER in your trust list.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 10:35:50 AM

Aren't we glad to have TECSHARE in DT, what with the new "standards^*" he's advocating?

Well, everyone is free to cast a vote on that with their exclusions, which I just did. As I explained in the other thread, it was long overdue. I haven't trusted TECSHARE since he stalked me (thread, PM, and finally in a neutral trust when I blocked his PMs) after I didn't feel like engaging in a debate which his inflated ego found necessary to win. He's aggressive and arrogant and I don't think he exhibits sound enough judgement for me not to exclude him.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 07, 2019, 10:35:50 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 07, 2019, 10:20:35 AM

Given that Nutilda actively supports this kind of trust rating for everyone else, I don't see any issues here. I would be happy to reconsider my position if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid though.

Aren't we glad to have TECSHARE in DT, what with the new "standards^*" he's advocating?

^* - doesn't apply to TECSHARE or his trust list.

I already said I would reconsider my stance if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid. Of course that would require them to admit their own hypocrisy...
Funny how my standards should apply when it serves your brown nosing pals, but not any other time I bring it up, but I am the hypocrite right? LOL.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on March 07, 2019, 05:28:28 PM

I can't see any trusted feedback on nutildah trust wall on DTview. May be due to iCEBREAKER is out of DT network now. ~~iCEBREAKER (-1)~~ Excluded by Suchmoon and Hhampuz and included by TECSHARE. To be honest I am not getting why nutildah got negative feedback from iCEBREAKER. Although read reference link but it's not pretty clear to me. Am I missing something?

Well, since I have explained it several times already you must be clearly stupid not to be see the legitimate and factual reason. This easily meets the suchmoon standard for giving red trust. But guess what she now ~ to protect her pal the snake nutildah so he can rest easy again for now until he iCEBREAKER gets back on perhaps.

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I can't see any trusted feedback on nutildah trust wall on DTview. May be due to iCEBREAKER is out of DT network now. ~~iCEBREAKER (-1)~~ Excluded by Suchmoon and Hhampuz and included by TECSHARE. To be honest I am not getting why nutildah got negative feedback from iCEBREAKER. Although read reference link but it's not pretty clear to me. Am I missing something?

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Quote from: Hhampuz on March 07, 2019, 11:06:42 AM

I countered the negative that iCEBREAKER left for nutildah as it seems to be nothing more than arguments and a difference of opinions. I don't know nutildah any more than them being a participant in my campaign but when I read up on it I figured that was the best way to go. I also asked nutildah to remove the negative feedback they had left for iCEBREAKER since at that point it only becomes a back and forth where everyone will lose.

No that is not true.

There is not just a difference of opinion.

The project is a PROVEN scam. Or has origins tied to a scam. There is no room for opinion.

If nutildah has been constantly defending or excusing this then ...............well......

So you are making a precedent here for your trust which I am noting down.

Those supporting proven scams and defending them are not eligible for RED TRUST and you will counter that.

Thanks I will archive this now for future use.

Also you feel just arguments and differences of opinion (which this is not) are also not grounds for red trust and they too you will counter.

That's a good post and I hope that you really meant it.

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Meh.

I countered the negative that iCEBREAKER left for nutildah as it seems to be nothing more than arguments and a difference of opinions. I don't know nutildah any more than them being a participant in my campaign but when I read up on it I figured that was the best way to go. I also asked nutildah to remove the negative feedback they had left for iCEBREAKER since at that point it only becomes a back and forth where everyone will lose.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 07, 2019, 09:14:38 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on March 07, 2019, 09:03:50 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on March 07, 2019, 09:00:38 AM

Having trust score of 0: -0 / +1 really not possible. Shocked

Why wouldn't it be? The "trust score" increases with time. A positive feedback (made today by Hhampuz) isn't going to score you any trust score. That's why the first digit is a 0.

Possible meh?

I though when someone got positive feedback from DT member they must attain trust score as well,atleast one.Because on many cases I have seen people with 1: -0 / +1 , but no profiles with zero trust score while having positive feedback.

Initial trust score after getting the feedback remains 0, it gets +1 after each 30 days passed.
Read more here- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47920887

Liked how people are getting into custom trust list. Lately, it's working. Maybe after couple of months people will be more aware of it and build custom trust list.

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Please focus on the case of nutildah, because I really want to known that this case is Trust abusement or not.
If it is trust abusement, the case should be use in official guideline to leave + / - trust feedback.
Criteria to leave positive feedbacks, as well as criteria to leave negative feedbacks.

With official criteria for Trust Feedback, the forum might be cleaner due to less topics created to complain about their red trust.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 07, 2019, 10:20:35 AM

Given that Nutilda actively supports this kind of trust rating for everyone else, I don't see any issues here. I would be happy to reconsider my position if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid though.

Aren't we glad to have TECSHARE in DT, what with the new "standards^*" he's advocating?

^* - doesn't apply to TECSHARE or his trust list.

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Quote from: tranthidung on March 07, 2019, 10:17:32 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 07, 2019, 09:17:00 AM

For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.

I waited for your final personal judgement on the case of nutildah as well as from others DT members.
Trust System is too complicated to me.
To be honest, I don't care too much about the Trust System, because I don't run services, and make deal with others here.
And, I only feel really trust someone when they have big amount of Trust points, above +30.
Too little positive or negative trust points might be abused, so should not be taken into consideration, seriously.

Despite of my limited understandings on Trust system, I still felt that current Red Trust on nutildah is a wrong one.
It's something like personal assasination. Roll Eyes

Given that Nutilda actively supports this kind of trust rating for everyone else, I don't see any issues here. I would be happy to reconsider my position if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid though.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 07, 2019, 09:17:00 AM

For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.

I waited for your final personal judgement on the case of nutildah as well as from others DT members.
Trust System is too complicated to me.
To be honest, I don't care too much about the Trust System, because I don't run services, and make deal with others here.
And, I only feel really trust someone when they have big amount of Trust points, above +30.
Too little positive or negative trust points might be abused, so should not be taken into consideration, seriously.

Despite of my limited understandings on Trust system, I still felt that current Red Trust on nutildah is a wrong one.
It's something like personal assasination. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 07, 2019, 08:39:13 AM

This is how I am seeing nutildah’s trust score Undecided

Trust: 5: -0 / +2

Just add ;dt to ignore your trust list so

trust https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618;dt
profile https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nutildah-317618

now from these links you shoud see -1 -1 +1

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 07, 2019, 09:14:38 AM

I though when someone got positive feedback from DT member they must attain trust score as well,atleast one.

Where? You must be talking about the risked amount. That's not necessary and only means something to the score when it increases (with time).

Example:

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

For the score number (the first 0):

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts.

It's not only possible to have a score of 0 for a few days after the trust was placed, but when the system was implemented, everybody had a score of 0 because it requires time to increase.

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Quote from: tranthidung on March 07, 2019, 07:58:18 AM

This one is not official guide on how to leave positive/ negative trust, but it can be used for reference.

Quote from: Artemis3 on January 30, 2019, 09:31:29 PM

Sorry for OT.
I don't think we can quote this guide since is made from one people outside the network, also I disagree with some of his guideline points.

For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.

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