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How could we implement email confirmation for sending of NXT?

A service provider watching the blockchain could do this easily.

This should be implemented...it would remove the possibility all together of Nxt being stolen...would also be another advantage for Nxt

Oh, I misunderstood what you were asking. I was thinking about notifying after you got robbed.

Nxt behaves just like bitcoin in this respect.
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email service provided watching the blockchain.. this is very centralized

One company is centralized but many companies providing similar services and competing against each other. That process is decentralization. You still needs one person taking initiatives and responsibility. Decentralization is different from collectivism.

it is centralized in a sense that if two or three companies exist and it is required to use them to send a transaction, then it breaks the whole concept. no need to worry about 90% attacks then , you can have 3 people break it.

You can't have an economy unless individuals taking initiative. But why restricted in 2-3 companies. These are peripheral services, you are not required to use them and if they don't do a good jobs, then others will and replace them .
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email service provided watching the blockchain.. this is very centralized

One company is centralized but many companies providing similar services and competing against each other. That process is decentralization. You still needs one person taking initiatives and responsibility. Decentralization is different from collectivism.

it is centralized in a sense that if two or three companies exist and it is required to use them to send a transaction, then it breaks the whole concept. no need to worry about 90% attacks then , you can have 3 people break it.
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Regarding your other remarks, these are valid. We'll keep the server-side source closed for now unless there is a major investment of some kind.

Would you guys be interested in wrapping the server side source up in some form of NxtAlias Company....you could pitch the idea and see if the market would want to invest.

We do need a prototype for an IPO on the Nxt Asset Exchange....anyhow something to think about.





Can you explain this concept in a bit more detail or is there a link to read up on this?
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email service provided watching the blockchain.. this is very centralized

One company is centralized but many companies providing similar services and competing against each other. That process is decentralization. You still needs one person taking initiatives and responsibility. Decentralization is different from collectivism.
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email service provided watching the blockchain.. this is very centralized
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Regarding your other remarks, these are valid. We'll keep the server-side source closed for now unless there is a major investment of some kind.

Would you guys be interested in wrapping the server side source up in some form of NxtAlias Company....you could pitch the idea and see if the market would want to invest.

We do need a prototype for an IPO on the Nxt Asset Exchange....anyhow something to think about.



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1. I've decided to join forces with ferment (owner of 22k.io), as it's import to cooperate on one of the best features of Nxt and not confuse users with multiple extensions and what not.


Alright! I think we can go really fast this way. The clock is ticking!

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2. Now, there is a bit of a difference between my extensions and what 22k.io currently has. I would like some community input on which approach is best.

- 22k.io extensions are "thin clients".

- My extensions are "thick clients".

Which approach is technically best? I don't know. Perhaps a combination of the two could also be done; if the alias is a simple URI or email address, the client handles it, otherwise it's sent to 22k.io which can then show account info, etc...

I think a hybrid model would be good. Like an option where one could choose "public nxt nodes" or "22k.io" as the source of info. So there will naturally be a trade off on trust vs features.

Thick clients (extensions, native apps, mobile apps with code) are more of a long term investment for the community as they require significant overhead of multiple codebases, releases, distribution, etc.

Thin clients will allow us to test the functionality and progress rapidly.

Both are necessary.

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3. We also have to be careful about security. Especially when it comes to aliases that refer to an account.

If a node is compromised, it could return the attacker's ID instead of the real account ID. This could result in stolen coins if you send to that ID.

That's why it's perhaps better to connect to multiple nodes (3 or more, from different geographical ares) and ask all of them for the alias info, and only if all of them return the same information show the user the result. We also have to make sure that 22k.io is not compromised.

A valid point that supports the hybrid thin/thick model. Sensitive information should be handled in the thick client (or javascript in browser). One idea is the thick client could handle "verification" of 22k.io by providing a function to check localhost and public nodes (but not nxtbase nodes!).

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4. I think it's best if this entire project would be handled as a community effort, with some kind of official sanctioning so that users know they can trust the extension/website.

I'll respectfully disagree on this point. NXT market adoption doesn't have time to wait this. My strategy is to build cool stuff and address trust issues as they arise. Sanctioning is implicit in adoption.

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All code, both client side (browser extensions), as well as server side, should also be available for peer review, open-source and hosted on github. I haven't yet got word back from ferment on this.

I'm all for client stuff being open source. However, I would prefer to keep the "special sauce" closed and then open source libraries based on the work. I'm still trying to figure out how to make the NXTs off this work. If the community wants to invest, then open sourcing everything is certainly an option I'd consider. I have a 5 person dev/ops team at my disposal, but I can't pull them off paying gigs without revenue generation.

If we follow a model where security related things are always handled on the client side, then this shouldn't be an issue. If we follow a "trust, but verify" approach, the need for open sourcing as test of trustworthiness is not required (besides, I could run different code and not tell anyone).

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5. We also need some kind of agreement on the json syntax and other new features.

My strategy is to just start defining stuff and implementing. If someone doesn't like the format, they're free to implement it differently.  History has shown that adoption is the best form of "agreement". Let the market decide.

So, would I propose, is that we start publishing an API and spec for 22k.io as we implement support for advanced alias features and other things.

Exciting stuff!

Cool, I'll start working soon on some proof of concept hybrid browser extension for you to review before I port it over to the other browsers.

Regarding your other remarks, these are valid. We'll keep the server-side source closed for now unless there is a major investment of some kind.
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How could we implement email confirmation for sending of NXT?

A service provider watching the blockchain could do this easily.

This should be implemented...it would remove the possibility all together of Nxt being stolen...would also be another advantage for Nxt

Can we go back in time and implement this like 2 hours ago!? yes!
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How could we implement email confirmation for sending of NXT?

A service provider watching the blockchain could do this easily.

This should be implemented...it would remove the possibility all together of Nxt being stolen...would also be another advantage for Nxt
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Same here, there was a moment I think we had a fork. It is looking okie right now.

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Hey, block @30000 is coming, welcome!

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just wanted to add. this is found for the recipient's address in google cached view of the NXT blockchain.
16204974692852323982

not that it will help me get my NXT back I'm sure..
real lame, how my PW was cracked is beyond me.. really.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xOs0TPi1UPcJ:87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi%3Faction%3D3000%26acc%3D3727742886551973110+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Is this a really random pass or a passphrase that you can remember ? While Nxt security is not yeat at a desirable level I think it is an user's issue that your acc got hacked.

Utopian, thanks. COMPLETELY random like (not exactly) *&D(_xa,I7:{"X  plus another 28 characters, etc. 35 total. wth?
Gotta try to sleep now. argh!

Then it wasn't brute forced. Not possible. How much NXT did you lose pal?

Yep, can't brute force this type of pass. He probably typed his pass somewhere on the net. Has  to be extremely careful these days.
Utopian, definitely did not. that's all I can say.  but cool.
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just wanted to add. this is found for the recipient's address in google cached view of the NXT blockchain.
16204974692852323982

not that it will help me get my NXT back I'm sure..
real lame, how my PW was cracked is beyond me.. really.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xOs0TPi1UPcJ:87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi%3Faction%3D3000%26acc%3D3727742886551973110+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Is this a really random pass or a passphrase that you can remember ? While Nxt security is not yeat at a desirable level I think it is an user's issue that your acc got hacked.

Utopian, thanks. COMPLETELY random like (not exactly) *&D(_xa,I7:{"X  plus another 28 characters, etc. 35 total. wth?
Gotta try to sleep now. argh!

Then it wasn't brute forced. Not possible. How much NXT did you lose pal?

Hey thanks, about 7800,
Not a huge amount, but it's not like I have a ton of BTC either.

so I guess my aliases are gone too? they shouldn't ever be able to used, whoever you are thief!.. ARGH.

Yea I can't imagine? Very careful, Like I said on nextcoin.org. I don't use my "main" account in my Sig, and don't even save a few characters at the beginning and end, for any of my PWs, anywhere, (just mentally) just to prevent any possibility of accidentally copying and pasting, etc.

I'll hope to wake up and see the blockchain was just "updating" or something and this was just a bad new years dream! But i guess not because it's being confirmed before my eyes.
thanks
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just wanted to add. this is found for the recipient's address in google cached view of the NXT blockchain.
16204974692852323982

not that it will help me get my NXT back I'm sure..
real lame, how my PW was cracked is beyond me.. really.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xOs0TPi1UPcJ:87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi%3Faction%3D3000%26acc%3D3727742886551973110+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Is this a really random pass or a passphrase that you can remember ? While Nxt security is not yeat at a desirable level I think it is an user's issue that your acc got hacked.

Utopian, thanks. COMPLETELY random like (not exactly) *&D(_xa,I7:{"X  plus another 28 characters, etc. 35 total. wth?
Gotta try to sleep now. argh!

Then it wasn't brute forced. Not possible. How much NXT did you lose pal?

Yep, can't brute force this type of pass. He probably typed his pass somewhere on the net. Has  to be extremely careful these days.
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