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legendary
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So frustrating that some of these other guys cant see what an elegant solution this is to an age old problem.

Indeed - also practically speaking the "list of Assets" will end up being huge (so you are not likely to be searching for an Asset by scrolling through a list).


Its funny this argument along the lines of "what is joe sixpack going to do when he wants to buy microsoft stock, how is it going to be so easy for him that he doesnt even have to reference a simple website". Like there is some sort of built in assumption that people are supposed to be able to buy an asset with out doing ANY research on it first. Roll Eyes
hero member
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So frustrating that some of these other guys cant see what an elegant solution this is to an age old problem.

Indeed - also practically speaking the "list of Assets" will end up being huge (so you are not likely to be searching for an Asset by scrolling through a list).


To find specific assset, people will search in AE for unique asset id that was given on a genuine website. No need for unique prefix or suffix name imo in AE. That is a simple solution.
member
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Then Microsoft (or whoever) could market themselves in Nxt by having one line blurb on their website that says "Add Microsoft to Nxt by trusting 723549872359875"

Exactly - also as I stated their website can make it very easy for you to put the "scary number" onto your clipboard.


The could probably also make this a clickable link that opens the "add trusted issuer" page in Nxt with the fields already filled out if it's programed to receive GET variables.
legendary
Activity: 1890
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
So frustrating that some of these other guys cant see what an elegant solution this is to an age old problem.

Indeed - also practically speaking the "list of Assets" will end up being huge (so you are not likely to be searching for an Asset by scrolling through a list).
legendary
Activity: 1722
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this really is a much better solution than "unique-names" (a bad description since we have unique names with both proposals)

Yes - with this approach you will end up seeing the name Microsoft rather than Microsoft2014 or whatever.


Yep. and with something SUPER well established (like anything like microsoft shares would quickly become) than the client can literally just filter everything else out so that you dont even see it unless you go into your options menu and uncheck some option.

So frustrating that some of these other guys cant see what an elegant solution this is to an age old problem.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
no, non-unique names is a trolling thing, that make as go in yet another circle - as perfectly shown by wesleyh.  Bravo, wesleyh!

I only have 1 forum member on ignore - I think that might be about to increase to 2.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
this really is a much better solution than "unique-names" (a bad description since we have unique names with both proposals)

Yes - with this approach you will end up seeing the name Microsoft rather than Microsoft2014 or whatever.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
so we are returning to the:

What you are doing is now "trolling" to make this go in yet another circle.

That really isn't helpful at all.

- no, non-unique names is a trolling thing, that make as go in yet another circle - as perfectly shown by wesleyh.  Bravo, wesleyh!
hero member
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promote with asset id,especially in the beggining. The only unique thing that need to be unique.
- so we are returning to the:

Well, there is more to consider. Humans and machines need to uniquely identify an asset.
For machines, a cryptic number is okay. They simply do not care.
For humans, that numbers are not. They need readable and catchy names.

this do not help to post this post below our answer in this thread.
legendary
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They need to say: go and buy asset "Microsoft" with the bigest volume ?
They could simply create something on their (HTTPS) web page which "puts the mystical number" on to your clipboard (just like a Bitcoin address).
You then "paste" in that number and: "viola" the *right* Microsoft is now selected!
- so we are returning to the:

Well, there is more to consider. Humans and machines need to uniquely identify an asset.
For machines, a cryptic number is okay. They simply do not care.
For humans, that numbers are not. They need readable and catchy names.

no because this will only need to be done during the bootstrapping phase of the asset. once it gets established people will just be able to search microsofit in their client and hit buy. this really is a much better solution than "unique-names" (a bad description since we have unique names with both proposals)
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Then Microsoft (or whoever) could market themselves in Nxt by having one line blurb on their website that says "Add Microsoft to Nxt by trusting 723549872359875"

Exactly - also as I stated their website can make it very easy for you to put the "scary number" onto your clipboard.
member
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On the asset name controversy, am I being dense? Wouldn't an asset from a given entity always be issued from a Unique Nxt address, therefore making it very easy to tell who is issuing that asset?

It seems like an easy matter to set up the AE to only show assets from Nxt Addresses you have indicated you trust and to only purchase assets from them and also to clearly be able to show who is issuing that asset.

If Microsoft owns Nxt address 3498343485498 then you should be able to make sure that any time you are buying MSFT that you
are only buying it from Nxt address 3498343485498

I'm not getting why this is such a controversy.

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Yes that is the point. There is no need to make the asset name or suffix unique. That will only encourage scammer.

It seems to me that it would be best to have the AE be empty the first time you go into it, with a button there that says "add trusted issuer"
where you could add a Nxt address and give it a name (you could name it whatever you want) and then ONLY after you did that would that issuers assets show up in the AE.  It would clean up the interface and get rid of looking at asset prices that you have no interest in. Elsewhere you could "browse or search all assets" if you wanted to see what's out there and consider adding them to your trust pool.

Then Microsoft (or whoever) could market themselves in Nxt by having one line blurb on their website that says "Add Microsoft to Nxt by trusting 723549872359875"
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
promote with asset id,especially in the beggining. The only unique thing that need to be unique.
- so we are returning to the:

Well, there is more to consider. Humans and machines need to uniquely identify an asset.
For machines, a cryptic number is okay. They simply do not care.
For humans, that numbers are not. They need readable and catchy names.
hero member
Activity: 715
Merit: 500
promote with asset id. The only unique thing that need to be unique.

So as I said (let's try it again) - have a link to your HTTPS website (so say https://microsoft.com/nxt).

On the page is the "asset id" which you can click on to put on the clipboard.

Now you go to the Asset Exchange and "paste" in that asset id - "viola" the asset named Microsoft shows up and you keep that one.

So you see - it doesn't matter *how many* Microsoft listings there are - and the user has been "forced to do the right thing" from the very start.


+10000 , thank you, I have difficuly expressing this. That is how it should work!
Case Solve!
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
so we are returning to the:

What you are doing is now "trolling" to make this go in yet another circle.

That really isn't helpful at all.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
They need to say: go and buy asset "Microsoft" with the bigest volume ?
They could simply create something on their (HTTPS) web page which "puts the mystical number" on to your clipboard (just like a Bitcoin address).
You then "paste" in that number and: "viola" the *right* Microsoft is now selected!
- so we are returning to the:

Well, there is more to consider. Humans and machines need to uniquely identify an asset.
For machines, a cryptic number is okay. They simply do not care.
For humans, that numbers are not. They need readable and catchy names.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
promote with asset id. The only unique thing that need to be unique.

So as I said (let's try it again) - have a link to your HTTPS website (so say https://microsoft.com/nxt).

On the page is the "asset id" which you can click on to put on the clipboard.

Now you go to the Asset Exchange and "paste" in that asset id - "viola" the asset named Microsoft shows up and you keep that one.

So you see - it doesn't matter *how many* Microsoft listings there are - and the user has been "forced to do the right thing" from the very start.
hero member
Activity: 715
Merit: 500
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You propose this choice:
Microsoft (a fake ? a true?)
Microsoft (a true? a fake?)
or
Microsoft:12334
Microsoft:12345
I think your decision (non-unique name) is helping the end user to get scammed.
Nope you are wrong, it will force user to make the right choice (unique asset id anyway). No one want to get scam and sort by volume solve this issue easilly in the long run.
- sorry, how do you think the real Microsoft would promote their asset? They need to say: go and buy asset "Microsoft" with the bigest volume ?

promote with asset id,especially in the beggining. The only unique thing that need to be unique.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
Sorting by volume can easily be gamed with only minimal cost imo
- agree, especially in the beginning of the trades.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
You propose this choice:
Microsoft (a fake ? a true?)
Microsoft (a true? a fake?)
or
Microsoft:12334
Microsoft:12345
I think your decision (non-unique name) is helping the end user to get scammed.
Nope you are wrong, it will force user to make the right choice (unique asset id anyway). No one want to get scam and sort by volume solve this issue easilly in the long run.
- sorry, how do you think the real Microsoft would promote their asset? They need to say: go and buy asset "Microsoft" with the bigest volume ?
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dude are you kidding. A - the stock market isnt for everyone, its for people who have SOME idea what they are doing. B - the client could sort by volume or fees payed on transfers automatically. Or what ciyam said. Or a million other things i could probably think of in rapid succession. The only way someone could suffer from such a lack of imagination is if their argument depended on it.
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