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Quote from: CIYAM on December 23, 2013, 12:07:54 PM

Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 12:05:00 PM

As far I understand it there is no incentive to run a node in next? What keeps me from installing 1000 nodes and doing a 51% attack? In Bitcoin there is the expensive POW but how does the nxt network gets secured?

You need to *own* NXT to be able to forge it and the more that you own the more power you have to "forge" so your 1000 (or 100,000) nodes won't be of any help if they don't own any NXT (at least when the Hallmark stuff is in place).

I don't think you need hallmark to protect the network. I'm not sure but hallmarks are just against botnet attacks that try to bring network down and not for someone who wants to fork it via 51%.

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NXT was initially brought into circulation by 71 stakeholders who donated a total of 21 Bitcoins in exchange for a stake in the NXT genesis block which generated one billion NXT. In other words, all the NXT has already been mined

one billion NXT
No thanks... another scamcoin?

so much for peer to peer! even frc is more democratic

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Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 12:05:00 PM

As far I understand it there is no incentive to run a node in next? What keeps me from installing 1000 nodes and doing a 51% attack? In Bitcoin there is the expensive POW but how does the nxt network gets secured?

What do u wish to achieve by running 1000000 nodes?

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Quote from: CIYAM on December 23, 2013, 12:05:36 PM

Quote from: BitcoinForumator on December 23, 2013, 12:01:40 PM

I'm sorry for asking this again - but I have been stuck at 22962 for hours. I copied the files from the nxtiles.zip but nothing is moving.

I would recommend you don't do this - a decentralized system does not need a centralized blockchain - just stop your client then delete your *.nxt files (and perhaps *.nxt.bak also) and start it again.

It will take a while to update but it should be on the correct chain.

Thanks!

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... and shortly after that - gets Killed:

Code:

[2013-12-23 17:02:41.420] "blacklistingPeriod" = "300"
[2013-12-23 17:02:41.420] "wakeKharon" = "false"
[2013-12-23 17:02:41.421] "logPeerCommunication" = "false"
[2013-12-23 17:02:41.421] Loading transactions...
[2013-12-23 17:02:43.369] ...Done
[2013-12-23 17:02:43.370] Loading blocks...
[2013-12-23 17:02:46.165] ...Done
[2013-12-23 17:02:46.166] Scanning blockchain...
[2013-12-23 17:02:50.563] ...Done
2013-12-23 17:02:50.595:INFO:oejsh.ContextHandler:main: Started o.e.j.w.WebAppContext@6e7bdb1c{/,file           :/root/nxt/webapps/root/,AVAILABLE}{/root}
2013-12-23 17:02:50.679:INFO:oejs.ServerConnector:main: Started ServerConnector@27c3aecb{HTTP/1.1}{0.           0.0.0:7874}
2013-12-23 17:02:52.296:INFO:oejs.ServerConnector:main: Started ServerConnector@4ffddfc4{SSL-http/1.1           }{0.0.0.0:7875}
2013-12-23 17:03:34.183:WARN:oejh.HttpParser:qtp1313211444-63: badMessage: java.lang.IllegalStateException: too much data after closed for HttpChannelOverHttp@5bc2832e{r=5,a=IDLE,uri=-}
Killed

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Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 12:05:00 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on December 23, 2013, 11:59:44 AM

Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 11:56:53 AM

Does anybody know how the consensus works in next?

The same as in Bitcoin.

As far I understand it there is no incentive to run a node in next? What keeps me from installing 1000 nodes and doing a 51% attack? In Bitcoin there is the expensive POW but how does the nxt network gets secured?

You would have to buy 51% of coins and then you would be attacking yourself me thinks.

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Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 12:05:00 PM

As far I understand it there is no incentive to run a node in next? What keeps me from installing 1000 nodes and doing a 51% attack? In Bitcoin there is the expensive POW but how does the nxt network gets secured?

You need to *own* NXT to be able to forge it and the more that you own the more power you have to "forge" so your 1000 (or 100,000) nodes won't be of any help if they don't own any NXT (at least when the Hallmark stuff is in place).

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my 0.4.0 VPS constantly gets bad Messages shortly after the launch of the java:

Code:

[2013-12-23 17:00:25.132] "logPeerCommunication" = "false"
[2013-12-23 17:00:25.132] Loading transactions...
[2013-12-23 17:00:26.260] ...Done
[2013-12-23 17:00:26.261] Loading blocks...
[2013-12-23 17:00:27.504] ...Done
[2013-12-23 17:00:27.504] Scanning blockchain...
[2013-12-23 17:00:29.568] ...Done
2013-12-23 17:00:29.588:INFO:oejsh.ContextHandler:main: Started o.e.j.w.WebAppCo ntext@363affc0{/,file:/root/nxt/webapps/root/,AVAILABLE}{/root}
2013-12-23 17:00:29.622:INFO:oejs.ServerConnector:main: Started ServerConnector@ 5de422ef{HTTP/1.1}{0.0.0.0:7874}
2013-12-23 17:00:30.234:INFO:oejs.ServerConnector:main: Started ServerConnector@ 1d305c92{SSL-http/1.1}{0.0.0.0:7875}
2013-12-23 17:02:12.982:WARN:oejh.HttpParser:qtp197871000-14: badMessage: java.l ang.IllegalStateException: too much data after closed for HttpChannelOverHttp@26 57ea6a{r=3,a=IDLE,uri=-}
2013-12-23 17:02:25.698:WARN:oejh.HttpParser:qtp197871000-34: badMessage: java.l ang.IllegalStateException: too much data after closed for HttpChannelOverHttp@50 57f334{r=1,a=IDLE,uri=-}
2013-12-23 17:02:25.883:WARN:oejh.HttpParser:qtp197871000-13: badMessage: java.l ang.IllegalStateException: too much data after closed for HttpChannelOverHttp@3e 200421{r=1,a=IDLE,uri=-}
2013-12-23 17:04:02.646:WARN:oejh.HttpParser:qtp197871000-34: badMessage: java.lang.IllegalStateException: too much data after closed for HttpChannelOverHttp@64898d3d{r=1,a=IDLE,uri=-}

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Quote from: BitcoinForumator on December 23, 2013, 12:01:40 PM

I'm sorry for asking this again - but I have been stuck at 22962 for hours. I copied the files from the nxtiles.zip but nothing is moving.

I would recommend you don't do this - a decentralized system does not need a centralized blockchain - just stop your client then delete your *.nxt files (and perhaps *.nxt.bak also) and start it again.

It will take a while to update but it should be on the correct chain.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on December 23, 2013, 11:59:44 AM

Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 11:56:53 AM

Does anybody know how the consensus works in next?

The same as in Bitcoin.

As far I understand it there is no incentive to run a node in next? What keeps me from installing 1000 nodes and doing a 51% attack? In Bitcoin there is the expensive POW but how does the nxt network gets secured?

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Quote from: bitcoinrocks on December 23, 2013, 12:01:20 PM

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Just keep it running, ur node will push blocks and transactions.

Even if there is no account number? Can I get an account number without running the GUI client?

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Chose bandwidth for private node and RAM+bandwidth for public one.

Is it better to set up 10 nodes at $10/month or 1 node at $100/month?

Account number doesn't matter. Use http://localhost:7874/nxt?requestType=getAccountId&secretPhrase=123 to get account id.

I would say that 10 x 10$ is better.

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Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 11:56:53 AM

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Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 11:50:02 AM

Next is apparently still broken. I already see people writing about "THE NEXT SCAM".

The only thing that has changed about NXT since yesterday is that it was heavily attacked. Angry

Also, another thing that has changed is an influx of people setting up nodes left and right making the network stronger!

If a payment network can not sustain an attack it is worthless.

Does anybody know how the consensus works in next?

Yes, this is a good thing for the dev to experience while in beta, will help them prepare for more attacks in the future.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on December 23, 2013, 11:59:22 AM

Quote from: msin on December 23, 2013, 11:56:13 AM

Oh okay, all of the transactions were actually forged block rewards from yesterday.

U was forging on a shorter chain and after blockchain reorg ur blocks became orphaned.

Okay, thanks.

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I'm sorry for asking this again - but I have been stuck at 22962 for hours. I copied the files from the nxtiles.zip but nothing is moving.

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Just keep it running, ur node will push blocks and transactions.

Even if there is no account number? Can I get an account number without running the GUI client?

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Chose bandwidth for private node and RAM+bandwidth for public one.

Is it better to set up 10 nodes at $10/month or 1 node at $100/month?

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Quote from: freigeist on December 23, 2013, 11:57:52 AM

Hello.

I have one question related to transaction for sending nxt or registering aliases what happends if
the transaction is sent but afterwards the client(server) is closed or disconected from the
network before the end of the deadline?
Does the NRS needs to be connected to the network the whole time until the
the end of the deadline for the transaction to be successfull?!

Thanks.

NRS doesn't need to be connected to the network the whole time.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on December 23, 2013, 11:52:59 AM

Well, I have just checked. My client got the whole blockchain from the scratches and this took ~20 minutes. Would take less if there were not so many "connection timeout" errors.

Now we are at least talking about a "decentralized" network (I would not recommend people to use the blockchain downloads).

My node isn't quite up to date yet but does seem to be making good progress (a very good thing) - far better to know that your node knows the correct chain.

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Quote from: human on December 23, 2013, 11:56:53 AM

Does anybody know how the consensus works in next?

The same as in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: msin on December 23, 2013, 11:56:13 AM

Oh okay, all of the transactions were actually forged block rewards from yesterday.

U was forging on a shorter chain and after blockchain reorg ur blocks became orphaned.

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Each and every thing that one might type in that field will always lead you back to the same account if it were retyped. Cool

So far so good but whats the "click to authorize on third party website" bit? Do I need to type in a particular website in the field? And what do I do (if anything) with the token it generates?

Apologies for all the questions haha

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