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Nxt is not a coin. NXT is a coin, token, fee ticket, whatever...

I can understand a coin- token on top of decentralized platform. I cant understand a coin that is also the platform and building block of a free network. theoratically- all entrepreneurs can use  the network create coins on top of it and other assets, pay dividends and gamble, and NEVER require the use of a single NXT (especially if forging is now resulting in node coins)

Etherium are requiring ETH to be the oil of every transaction and that will drive both ETH usage and the etherium platform as a whole. here is seems to NOt be the case. am I wrong?

At least you need Nxt to issue Asset, right?
legendary
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If we agree that it is no ordinary coin for the above reasons, then we should consider Ricky's point about NodeCoin altering the very fabric of Nxt; and not just brushing it aside as just a coin anybody can create on top of Nxt.

Personally...  I do view Nodecoin as just a project/asset/coin...  but let me make one thing clear...  IF the intention of "Nodecoin should be redeemable for accessing services (DAC, NxtCash, whatever)" was to exclude NXT from being used as well...  then it is definitely a NO GO.

I Agree...

Last time I checked, the only reason to any Nxt service (DAC, NxtCash) was to spend/receive Nxt, so why would using any of those services exclude Nxt?  We have a Nxt platform and apart from the core, anyone should be allowed to develop anything they want on top of it.  If we don't encourage complete openness to our platform, others will develop in alt POS coins.  
rlh
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Nxt Mining Pool Bounty posted @ Nextcoin.org

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4399.0.html

Initially seeded with 20k, please feel free to follow the link and donate additional funds to the posted address.  My initial 20k are being sent to that address (from cryptsy) hopefully they will show up before Monday. Tongue
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Nxt is not a coin. NXT is a coin, token, fee ticket, whatever...

I can understand a coin- token on top of decentralized platform. I cant understand a coin that is also the platform and building block of a free network. theoratically- all entrepreneurs can use  the network create coins on top of it and other assets, pay dividends and gamble, and NEVER require the use of a single NXT (especially if forging is now resulting in node coins)

Etherium are requiring ETH to be the oil of every transaction and that will drive both ETH usage and the etherium platform as a whole. here is seems to NOt be the case. am I wrong?
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@wesley..

you know when you get a notification that you received an asset.. can you make the notification clickable to take you to that assets buy/sell page? same goes for messages. perhaps have a drop down for messages/notifications too the same as facebook?

+1

You mean something like Cryptsy. When you order has filled. Good idea.
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Yes.

Moving on.
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☕ NXT-4BTE-8Y4K-CDS2-6TB82
Nxt is not a coin. NXT is a coin, token, fee ticket, whatever...

So, it is a coin.

(For all those who need it to be a coin)
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Nxt is not a coin. NXT is a coin, token, fee ticket, whatever...
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I am going to keep asking untill someone either tells me that this is nonesense (and explain) or a real explanation...  Huh

If NXT is ONLY a building block and NOT a currency- what will drive its value?
  

I cut you right there. NXT is a coin, or token.

Great- If I thought this was the answer I wouldnt ask and be happy with my investment.

BUT this is not the assertion of some here, including BCNEXT's old postings and CFB. They clearly look at the ultimate goal as a 2.0 with many assets and coins on it with NXT as building block and NOT coin.

The sentence: this is not a coin is repetitive throughout
legendary
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"They're PoW and use LOTS of power; we're PoS so we don't have to".

This still stands.

AE users don't run nodes by having their clients unlocked.
Rewarding (and compensating) Nxters who run nodes for securing the network, seems fair to me.

I also have nothing against the gamification element.
Yeeeeeah, it's fun to see Nodecoins being generated. But "gambling"? How? You don't play.

AE is far more dangerous in that aspect than a (green) reward system, called Nodecoin. NodePoints. Is that better?


I think there is a generational thing here and I am on the old end of the stick.  I never spent any time playing a video game watching a point counter go up and up and up to happy little sounds, I wasted my time watching people go for huge piles of money on The Sopranos, The Shield and Breaking Bad.  I want huge piles of money.  I want 1 NXT = $1000.  I don't see how giving out free coins makes that happen.  Of course, I don't understand how Farmville or Candy Crush or Twitter makes money either.  Oh wait, they don't.

NXT is an ecosystem and lots of things find their niche in a true ecosystem.   Good luck, James.

Unfortunately I could not disagree with you more. We aren't going to shrink wrap Nxt and sell it in Walmart.  It's definitely a generational thing.  Some people don't understand why Whatsapp is worth $19Bil without making a cent.  It's because they focused on nothing but offering the best free service and building userbase at which point companies (facebook) said "That 500mil userbase is worth something"  BTW, Twitter made $250m and Zynga (Farmville) made $311M last quarter.

Nodecoin is not changing Nxt.  It's an asset on Nxt exchange, one that I believe is extremely innovative.  Nxt is still POS, it Always will be.  There is an asset that is POW, but it's not in Nxt core.  It's a new coin built on top of Nxt. We can't tell people what assets they can and can't build.  We need to encourage everyone to build anything they want on top of Nxt, because no matter what, they will need to acquire Nxt to buy, sell, send, any asset.  To me, it's very anti-nxt to try and discourage any idea no matter how radical.
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I am going to keep asking untill someone either tells me that this is nonesense (and explain) or a real explanation...  Huh

If NXT is ONLY a building block and NOT a currency- what will drive its value?

Some on this thread believe that the overall value of transactions within the NXT ecosystem will drive the value of a single NXT and the overall market cap even if NXT itself is no longer a currency. One other person in this thread called it the gold, the basic store of value etc.

I believe that this, or aspects of this are the real problem around the node discussion and a contradiction:

If this was a centralized company (like ripple or google) than I would be very happy to become a decentralized Sysco (infrastructure) or Google (implementation) and enjoy my price per share (the parallel to my price per NXT) go through the roof. However, in a decentralized setting- this is not the same thing. The NXT building blocks per se are not worth anything if not ALSO functioning as a unit of exchange either within the NXT ecosystem or as a combination of ecosystem and real world transactions (BTC in overstock or Virgin for example)

Since this is NOT a share or a financial asset per se (if primarily a building block as BCNEXT and friends want it) it will have no real monetary value. it will only have monetary value if used as the oil within the NXT ecosystem (this is what Etherium are doing with their ETHER), i.e. that you need to have some to create anything + to transact + to pay dividends etc. NOT just a building block.

Abandoning the 1.0 aspect of NXT will diminish the value from which a cap is derived

Using this as a 1.0 on top of the decentralized platform and requiring fees, pay dividends but stuff etc. will create a real economic value - an economy on which it will work.

Right now I dont see NXT as emphasizing 1.0 aspect and therefore dont see how it will hold value independently- but rather have great valuable decentralized asstets on top of it without real value as per 1NXT transferable to BTC or USD.

can someone argue against my assertion? thank you- and soryy for asking this for the 6th time in the past 10 days

  

It is a 1.0 cryptocurrency as long as people give value to it, and you will be able to buy goods or services with it. 2.0 properties will make it much more useful.
With nxt you will be able to buy everything you can buy with bitcoin + you will be able to buy stock options,gold,digital tokens,etc..

2.0 is the reason for people to work with Nxt.Once it is adopted, more commerces and an economy will be built to be used as a 1.0
It is like asking why couldnt i pay my flight tickets with bitcoin in 2010,first you need a critical mass adoption.
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I am going to keep asking untill someone either tells me that this is nonesense (and explain) or a real explanation...  Huh

If NXT is ONLY a building block and NOT a currency- what will drive its value?

Some on this thread believe that the overall value of transactions within the NXT ecosystem will drive the value of a single NXT and the overall market cap even if NXT itself is no longer a currency. One other person in this thread called it the gold, the basic store of value etc.

I believe that this, or aspects of this are the real problem around the node discussion and a contradiction:

If this was a centralized company (like ripple or google) than I would be very happy to become a decentralized Sysco (infrastructure) or Google (implementation) and enjoy my price per share (the parallel to my price per NXT) go through the roof. However, in a decentralized setting- this is not the same thing. The NXT building blocks per se are not worth anything if not ALSO functioning as a unit of exchange either within the NXT ecosystem or as a combination of ecosystem and real world transactions (BTC in overstock or Virgin for example)

Since this is NOT a share or a financial asset per se (if primarily a building block as BCNEXT and friends want it) it will have no real monetary value. it will only have monetary value if used as the oil within the NXT ecosystem (this is what Etherium are doing with their ETHER), i.e. that you need to have some to create anything + to transact + to pay dividends etc. NOT just a building block.

Abandoning the 1.0 aspect of NXT will diminish the value from which a cap is derived

Using this as a 1.0 on top of the decentralized platform and requiring fees, pay dividends but stuff etc. will create a real economic value - an economy on which it will work.

Right now I dont see NXT as emphasizing 1.0 aspect and therefore dont see how it will hold value independently- but rather have great valuable decentralized asstets on top of it without real value as per 1NXT transferable to BTC or USD.

can someone argue against my assertion? thank you- and soryy for asking this for the 6th time in the past 10 days

  


This is my question as well.  Instead of using nodecoin as the sole incentive for running a node...why not let the OTHER assets on NXT be the reward?  You could reward people small amounts of any coin (or asset) they desire from the trading fees (small amounts...say 0.00000010 or less).  Someone with a large stake in NXT could get slightly higher amounts.  That way even someone that has just 1NXT...gets something for being an active node.  That would give one hell of an incentive to get into NXT.  Everyone becomes there own micro exchange.

Am I completely off base here?

of course! is a great idea!!!!

Everyone becomes there own micro exchange.

this is the solution. AE NXT exchange charges a small Nxt coin fee for each transaction and distributes
the fee to the active nodes


The active nodes receive two fees

A fee for each exchange assets independent of fund account
A fee as currently does nxt if node forges

if you want to use AE nxt you have to use Nxt coins to pay the fees
hero member
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I am going to keep asking untill someone either tells me that this is nonesense (and explain) or a real explanation...  Huh

If NXT is ONLY a building block and NOT a currency- what will drive its value?
  

I cut you right there. NXT is a coin, or token.
sr. member
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What upper left corner? Screenshot please.

some testNXt please : 4891842774218925776


15k TestNxt sent , Have fun Wink .

can i get some more too? Cheesy 10201806037510420301

7k sent,but testnxt is down,so i dont know how much it will take.


@wesleyh: when i put my mouse on my ID in the upper left corner,it appears a blank box,without the text it should appear.




Text only one appears when i put the mouse over for the first time.Then it stays blank again.

Which browser + version is this? thx

Google chrome.Im not sure how to verify the version.Can it be Versión 33.0.1750.146 m Huh
I've been trying the testnxt for long and havent updated anything or changed anything in the browser,but i am not sure if i had this feature working properly before.

Edit: Looking for the version,it updated and says everything is updated now.I restarted browser but it is still happening.
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I am going to keep asking untill someone either tells me that this is nonesense (and explain) or a real explanation...  Huh

If NXT is ONLY a building block and NOT a currency- what will drive its value?

Some on this thread believe that the overall value of transactions within the NXT ecosystem will drive the value of a single NXT and the overall market cap even if NXT itself is no longer a currency. One other person in this thread called it the gold, the basic store of value etc.

I believe that this, or aspects of this are the real problem around the node discussion and a contradiction:

If this was a centralized company (like ripple or google) than I would be very happy to become a decentralized Sysco (infrastructure) or Google (implementation) and enjoy my price per share (the parallel to my price per NXT) go through the roof. However, in a decentralized setting- this is not the same thing. The NXT building blocks per se are not worth anything if not ALSO functioning as a unit of exchange either within the NXT ecosystem or as a combination of ecosystem and real world transactions (BTC in overstock or Virgin for example)

Since this is NOT a share or a financial asset per se (if primarily a building block as BCNEXT and friends want it) it will have no real monetary value. it will only have monetary value if used as the oil within the NXT ecosystem (this is what Etherium are doing with their ETHER), i.e. that you need to have some to create anything + to transact + to pay dividends etc. NOT just a building block.

Abandoning the 1.0 aspect of NXT will diminish the value from which a cap is derived

Using this as a 1.0 on top of the decentralized platform and requiring fees, pay dividends but stuff etc. will create a real economic value - an economy on which it will work.

Right now I dont see NXT as emphasizing 1.0 aspect and therefore dont see how it will hold value independently- but rather have great valuable decentralized asstets on top of it without real value as per 1NXT transferable to BTC or USD.

can someone argue against my assertion? thank you- and soryy for asking this for the 6th time in the past 10 days

  
rlh
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We can turn the mining scheme against the mining coins !!

The price and the profitability of mining coins will go down while the price of Nxt will go up.

Knowing that it will be done makes me want to buy more Nxt right now.



+1



lol... Cheesy  This made my (Fri)day!
sr. member
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What upper left corner? Screenshot please.

some testNXt please : 4891842774218925776


15k TestNxt sent , Have fun Wink .

can i get some more too? Cheesy 10201806037510420301

7k sent,but testnxt is down,so i dont know how much it will take.


@wesleyh: when i put my mouse on my ID in the upper left corner,it appears a blank box,without the text it should appear.




Text only one appears when i put the mouse over for the first time.Then it stays blank again.

Which browser + version is this? thx
legendary
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#Free market
some testNXt please : 4891842774218925776


15k TestNxt sent , Have fun Wink .

can i get some more too? Cheesy 10201806037510420301

This is your primary address   Roll Eyes

thats my testnxt acc? :/
should i have a secondary testnxt acc? :L

No , you shouldn't .
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why have you not been backing me up in the past when I have been suggesting this?HuhHuh

I don't read all the posts.

For everyone's reference to discuss:

I view the fee as a blockchain spam deterrent, any possible ROI is secondary IMHO.  We don't have any major activity on the blockchain at the moment.  All is relatively quiet, but that will change as services are added and merchants begin to use NXT for payment.  After only a few short months of very little activity the full blockchain is already over 50 megs on disk.

I think the fee should only be changed if the price of NXT goes up significantly.  My 0.25 NXT minimum fee vote was based on the thought of 1 NXT going to the stable range of $0.15 to ~$0.30 cents US in the next six months.

I still say trying to tie the fee to some FIAT is the wrong direction.  Ill say it again - a transactions's fee should be tied to its byte size on the blockchain.  So lets say a NXT transfer is 128bytes, and its fee is .1NXT, so then an AM or alias transaction of size 256bytes should then cost .2NXT, and other transaction types follow the same method of fee determination.  We would determine a "base" transaction that is the smallest possible transaction, and set the .1 NXT fee to it.  (or .01 or .05 or whatever the community decides) and then scale every other transaction's fee to be based on its size compared to the base one.
But no one likes my idea.  Embarrassed

This proposal will require a bit more code; but for the moment I think a straight .1 NXT for all works, as it will encourage more use for now.
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This endless discussion about nodecoin became quite boring, I'm going to derail it a little...

I skip every post that mentions nodecoin.
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