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below are from the latest Bitshares X whitepaper:

A recent entrant to the Proof of Stake scene is Nxt which claims to be 100% proof of stake and does so with a process they call transparent mining.
With transparent mining the network deterministically selects who gets to produce the next block. If this person is online at the time then they get an opportunity to earn transaction fees. Otherwise a block is produced by the next in line.

The problem with existing proof of stake systems including Peercoin and Nxt is that they dependupon a subset of users that actually choose to dedicate computational power to mining in aneffort to earn income from transaction fees. This creates two classes of users and significantly reduces the percentage of the money supply used to secure the network. Additionally both of these systems suffer from the potential that a large stake holder could perform a denial of service attack by refusing to include some or all transactions.

how do you think the comments about NXT transparent forging?

Seems they r right, we should implemented forging power leasing to get rid of such the issue.


That would be fantastic!


NXT transparent forging

Will Leave without arguments people maintaining that in nxt "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer"
Will Leave without arguments people maintaining that POS is not so sure than POW if eventually the number of nodes forging is concentrated in a few pools.

a) funds must stay in the Bob account own
b ) forging power should remain in the node where this self Bob.

Instead the commission of forging of the account Bob should go to the "transparent" pool and the pool manager split the commission forging in proportion to the amount of funds from the accounts that were at that time in the pool .

I do not know if this is technically very difficult to implement but it is clear that if not resolved little by little will create pools and concentrating on a few network nodes and so understand a network more vulnerable to attack .

I think the pool is very good solution for the small investor gives "fairness to the system not equal " but forging power should remain in the node where this account with funds for the sake of the security of the network.
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below are from the latest Bitshares X whitepaper:

A recent entrant to the Proof of Stake scene is Nxt which claims to be 100% proof of stake and does so with a process they call transparent mining.
With transparent mining the network deterministically selects who gets to produce the next block. If this person is online at the time then they get an opportunity to earn transaction fees. Otherwise a block is produced by the next in line.

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The problem with existing proof of stake systems including Peercoin and Nxt is that they dependupon a subset of users that actually choose to dedicate computational power to mining in aneffort to earn income from transaction fees. This creates two classes of users and significantly reduces the percentage of the money supply used to secure the network. Additionally both of these systems suffer from the potential that a large stake holder could perform a denial of service attack by refusing to include some or all transactions.

There will be punishment for such behavior.
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This creates two classes of users and significantly reduces the percentage of the money supply used to secure the network.

Why? Here we see no explanation but just a statement of "fact" (or in other words "bullshit").

Additionally both of these systems suffer from the potential that a large stake holder could perform a denial of service attack by refusing to include some or all transactions.

They seem to have overlooked the "penalty" for not forging here.
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below are from the latest Bitshares X whitepaper:

A recent entrant to the Proof of Stake scene is Nxt which claims to be 100% proof of stake and does so with a process they call transparent mining.
With transparent mining the network deterministically selects who gets to produce the next block. If this person is online at the time then they get an opportunity to earn transaction fees. Otherwise a block is produced by the next in line.

The problem with existing proof of stake systems including Peercoin and Nxt is that they dependupon a subset of users that actually choose to dedicate computational power to mining in aneffort to earn income from transaction fees. This creates two classes of users and significantly reduces the percentage of the money supply used to secure the network. Additionally both of these systems suffer from the potential that a large stake holder could perform a denial of service attack by refusing to include some or all transactions.

how do you think the comments about NXT transparent forging?

Seems they r right, we should implemented forging power leasing to get rid of such the issue.

Isnt a pool of leased forging power suffer the same issue as theclass of users and could dos the same way?
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Some test coins please: 10286067528061319850 Smiley
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below are from the latest Bitshares X whitepaper:

A recent entrant to the Proof of Stake scene is Nxt which claims to be 100% proof of stake and does so with a process they call transparent mining.
With transparent mining the network deterministically selects who gets to produce the next block. If this person is online at the time then they get an opportunity to earn transaction fees. Otherwise a block is produced by the next in line.

The problem with existing proof of stake systems including Peercoin and Nxt is that they dependupon a subset of users that actually choose to dedicate computational power to mining in aneffort to earn income from transaction fees. This creates two classes of users and significantly reduces the percentage of the money supply used to secure the network. Additionally both of these systems suffer from the potential that a large stake holder could perform a denial of service attack by refusing to include some or all transactions.

how do you think the comments about NXT transparent forging?

Seems they r right, we should implemented forging power leasing to get rid of such the issue.
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below are from the latest Bitshares X whitepaper:

A recent entrant to the Proof of Stake scene is Nxt which claims to be 100% proof of stake and does so with a process they call transparent mining.
With transparent mining the network deterministically selects who gets to produce the next block. If this person is online at the time then they get an opportunity to earn transaction fees. Otherwise a block is produced by the next in line.

The problem with existing proof of stake systems including Peercoin and Nxt is that they dependupon a subset of users that actually choose to dedicate computational power to mining in aneffort to earn income from transaction fees. This creates two classes of users and significantly reduces the percentage of the money supply used to secure the network. Additionally both of these systems suffer from the potential that a large stake holder could perform a denial of service attack by refusing to include some or all transactions.

how do you think the comments about NXT transparent forging?
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Conference San Francisco in a month
http://www.coinsumm.it/
I am trying to get a speaker for discussion:
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Decentralized Applications - the future of Bitcoin and virtual currencies?
VItalik Buterin, Ethereum.org, Anthony Di Iorio, Ethereum.org, Brock Pierce, Mastercoin Foundation
Moderated by Adam Levine, Let's talk Bitcoin

We really need someone to be there Smiley


I can go bar no one else. surely someone else is closer
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I am trying to get a speaker for discussion:
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Decentralized Applications - the future of Bitcoin and virtual currencies?
VItalik Buterin, Ethereum.org, Anthony Di Iorio, Ethereum.org, Brock Pierce, Mastercoin Foundation
Moderated by Adam Levine, Let's talk Bitcoin

We really need someone to be there Smiley

Are we decentralised enough to get someone on a plane in a bit over a month?  Huh

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I am trying to get a speaker for discussion:
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Decentralized Applications - the future of Bitcoin and virtual currencies?
VItalik Buterin, Ethereum.org, Anthony Di Iorio, Ethereum.org, Brock Pierce, Mastercoin Foundation
Moderated by Adam Levine, Let's talk Bitcoin

We really need someone to be there Smiley
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Finally, I forged one block and got 1 Nxt tx fee today through my Cubietruck. I'm so excited and the account has now 11435 Nxt.

I remembered there was a forging promotion and it seems someone also forged a block with ~ 10K nxt. Where is the link?


https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3877.0.html

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=744

Thanks.
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I need to be unbanned in  Nextcoin.org so I can make a post on the forum so the community can decide how I can pay back the NXT

Either through services
Dogecoins
Or webspace
etc.

its awesome that you are making amends. good for you sir.

Well I had no choice. A witch hunt started and I was afraid for my families safety. I don't live alone and there's some crazy people in the internet.


Hey, Drexme - you've been unbanned by Graviton over on nextcoin.org, so you can head over there now and state your case for making things right with the NXT community.  I have also sent a note to the bitcointalk moderator about deleting PyroClasTix's last copy of your personal info (his quote of my original posting).  There is honor in acknowledging your mistakes like a man, keep your chin up, you can work thru this mess you've made with a good attitude and good actions.  It's never too late to start doing the right thing.

rickyjames  Kiss

Didn't think you'd be this quick!

Hopefully this all will be solved in a manner we feel is good.
Good to get the personal details removed. You have them anyway.



I'm feelin' good about all this, quite the drama going on now over Drexme at Nextcoin.org -  

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4039.0.html

Looks like once real world contact info is posted even for a few minutes, the cat's out of the bag and everybody goes to endgame mode.  Somehow I don't have too much of a problem with that.



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Is anybody running public NRS nodes?

Are there plans in the community to support a decent number of public nodes?

I'm asking since I plan to add client side Curve25519 enryption/signing, so that it would be save to send transactions to a public node and users don't have to run NRS themselves any longer. But to make this a common approach, we would need a number of always available public nodes.

vps1 - vps12 .nxtcrypto.org  all hallmarked, under my direct control and billing.  vps13 - vps24 are also there as well undermy direct control but under others' billing as I admin their VPS for them
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Plenty of pending translations for german:

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&x=D&language=de&suppresscomplete=1

other pages (such as the WP) will be made available for translation once the base language is done.


Can help with the translation, but dont' know how to get the right to edit the wiki?! My Username is Skerberus there too.

All info is here: http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Help_translate

In short: register and ask joefox for editing rights. Smiley
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Plenty of pending translations for german:

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&x=D&language=de&suppresscomplete=1

other pages (such as the WP) will be made available for translation once the base language is done.


Can help with the translation, but dont' know how to get the right to edit the wiki?! My Username is Skerberus there too.
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Finally, I forged one block and got 1 Nxt tx fee today through my Cubietruck. I'm so excited and the account has now 11435 Nxt.

I remembered there was a forging promotion and it seems someone also forged a block with ~ 10K nxt. Where is the link?


https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3877.0.html

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=744
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