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Why nobody active on: http://www.reddit.com/r/nxt Huh
Are you serious?

I took control of the subreddit on 2. February and made the design on 3. February.

It's only 10 days since then and there are already 175 subscriptions and currently 16 NXTers are online. Alone in this month we got 1400 uniques and over 8000 pageviews (in just 10 days!).

And this without ANY promotion or marketing effort. (This will come ones Nxt has a nice and finished client and a good starter website)



sorry, didnt know that it thats new. Also it is not mentioned on this topic first post.

tnx anyway.
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So, I am not so crazy to believe that we can get fully trustless gateways and even automated DACs that can do cross chain operations. I wish you were there last week. I guess I should have reiterated that I got the idea about indistinguishability obsfucators from Vitalik butern's reddit page. I'm not smart enough to understand the maths, but I am smart enough to recognize the potentials of new algos.


you are saying right james, this stuff will come, no doubt about it and it is for sure not crazy to anticipate exactly this what you wrote above.
i anticipate even more. we will see chainable, static serverside contracts, triggered by conditionals and acting like a logic swarm shifting immense data around
and on the other side distributed applications, moveable and freezable, preserving content within the block/storage chain, serving instant user demands.
all within the next two years.   Wink
legendary
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I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.05 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!
You seem to have assumed that lowering the transaction cost by 90% will increase the number of transactions by 0%???

I think you need to rethink your analysis and put in a more realistic increase in transactions estimate. Elasticity of price demand definitely applies here. Less is more.

It is quite possible to get a nonlinear increase in demand, so we could get 30 times the volume with 10% from each or a tripling of forging revenues by reducing the transaction costs. clearly people will not donate anywhere as much using the tipbot at 1 NXT, we would get literally 100 times the tips by reducing costs 90%.

Also, imagine that the NXT community will be able to come up with ways to create the demand and usage to saturate 1000TPS. Also imagine the fee goes to a paltry .01 NXT per transaction. How much NXT are we forging per block under that scenario? How does it compare to now?

Why are you complaining?
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AKA jefdiesel
Hey NXT'ers - the InsideBitcoin was quite a gratifying experience, I am quite happy for the coincidence that it happened here ein Berlin!

I can only reccomend to go whenever you can get there - Amsterdam, Texas try to go there! I had the networking pass for 114Euro, I really did not care very much for the Bitcoin talks anyway, but I had a number of extremely good conversations.
Paul Snow from Texas Bitcoin Association is a very eloquent and open minded person, I really enjoyed discussing monetary ideas with him.

Another interesting topic that came up was with Frank Tornatore from Cryptoventures, who was very much interested in using coloured coins as a method for casinos in Macao to issue to their mostly chinese customers.


What would you guys think about having a project to provide using some nxt asset 'RED' or 'BLUE' that a casino could issue as gambling chips for their customers?


And could the casino company take the open source nxt code, and start their own blockchain for their customers only?

anyone can take the source code, but without the nodes to secure the network it would be vulnerable. Better making a colored coin on top of NXT, installing a vending machine, or better yet, a cashier teller in the casino. You give your chips, transfer them to your brain wallet and when you go to Vegas! You can pull all your money out and the PRC is no wiser!!

seriously I read that (chinese) people go to the Wynn in Macau, buy chips, take the chips home, then when they are in the US they go to vegas and cash in the chips at Wynn's for USD and stash it in a secret account. YAY Capital Controls!
legendary
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I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.05 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!

Just saw you math, but you make one wrong assumption and that is that transactions stay as they are now.

This is because there isn't anything else to DO with Nxt at the moment than trade on exchanges or between users, buy aliases and send messages (not data yet)

If you want a fair comparison, you would need to do for instance a calculation on a situation where you get a 5 time increase and 10 x increase in transactions.

I agree that alias registration could be more expensive. That's a fair proposal. BUT, remember, once aliases can be traded (as they were supposed to be, don't know if that is still on the cards. Devs?) then you will have a run on aliases now and again. This means a bidding war, which will skyrocket fees for a while, making the average fees much higher.

The main flaw, however, is that you take the status quo as the basis, where most proponents of the lower fee take a growth model as the basis.

Could you do some more calculations? I'm willing to be won over, but it will take cold math to prove me wrong Smiley
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NXT is the future
man Bter is just hovering right under .00008

cmon lets break through before full moon friday

yep at least one whale is dumping below actual sell... I wonder why what does he get out of this?
legendary
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** Big News **

Nxt (along with Peercoin) will be one of two official currencies at Trekcon Springfield:

http://www.trekconspringfield.com/

We will have access to quiet a bit of media as well as tie-ins with Star Trek actors at the event. I will be working with local companies prior to the event to help support Nxt.  More details to come, still working on the logistics.  Here's a video we put out when we added Peercoin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89YI6_6Aw2E


Yes, that's me in the video. The guys are already lining up interviews with local tv and radio stations, we'll also be able to take part in that promotion. Smiley


Made me laugh, as I have been talking with James about a "Federation of Gateways" today.


OK, this is my cue to update status of community gateways. Keep in mind I am talking about the first step along the path toward fully automated DAC solution. No need to wait for that if we can get a more traditional solution in the meantime.

I have a job offer out to a fulltime dev who will help code my ideas, both crazy and not so crazy. The first task is to create reference code for automated gateways and clients along the lines of my post about this yesterday.

In parallel, I am working with traditional gateway providers to create a federation of gateways that users can choose between. We will create requirements to be part of the gateway and the community will need to help do the due diligence on each of the gateways as I have little expertise in data center security, etc.

NXT community gateway federation requirements:

A) we need source code of the automated gateway functionality, this way the smart guys can make sure that all the error cases are properly handled and if a database is used, that proper database techniques are used, etc. It is expected that all the federation members will work together to create best practices for deposit/withdrawal handling. No more bter funny business!

B) There needs to be an automatically updated balance of Assets issued and a corresponding account that can be checked using blockchain.info, trust but verify. This ensures that there is 100% backing of all the Assets issued into AE and people can trade it without worrying about fractional reserve.

C) There needs to be a publicly posted information about any and all fees charged. There will also be the option of the gateway provider to put up a bond against deposit flight risk. This allows even gateways run by an unknown newbie to have a chance, especially if they put up a bond big enough to cover all their deposits. Any reductions in bond will require enough time for adjustments to be made by holders of gateway's assets. [I need a place to host this information and also someone to keep it updated, maybe nxtcrpto.org?]

D) There needs to be an agreement to exchange gateway assets of the same denomination with the community asset at 1:1, this is something that ripple never achieved and it fragments the trading for all gateways to this day. By pooling all assets for the same thing, it reduces confusion for the user and also creates more liquidity and tighter spreads. Imagine if the highest bid and lowest ask for DOGE was always available within AE!

D) Anything else that is missing?

I cannot stress how important it is that we unite all the Assets for the same crypto, otherwise it will be a giant confusing mess. In ripple right now, anybody can issue anything, but there are no standards or requirements to be able to do this. Buyer beware. I am hopeful that each federation gateway will either start with enough credibility or be able to find a sponsor/partner that will be able to put up a big enough bond to allow for true interchangeability among all Assets for the same thing.

Getting the tech to achieve this is actually not new, having the community that can achieve freely interchangeable Assets among a federation of gateways, that is what is new here.

James
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AKA jefdiesel
I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.05 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!
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impossible. system is not designed to work this way. nightmare. give it up.

I'm starting to rethink my .1 fee vote, at least until client, AE, and coin trading are implemented and we are hitting at least BTC level of volume.

Suck it up, pay the 5 cents.
legendary
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Hey NXT'ers - the InsideBitcoin was quite a gratifying experience, I am quite happy for the coincidence that it happened here ein Berlin!

I can only reccomend to go whenever you can get there - Amsterdam, Texas try to go there! I had the networking pass for 114Euro, I really did not care very much for the Bitcoin talks anyway, but I had a number of extremely good conversations.
Paul Snow from Texas Bitcoin Association is a very eloquent and open minded person, I really enjoyed discussing monetary ideas with him.

Another interesting topic that came up was with Frank Tornatore from Cryptoventures, who was very much interested in using coloured coins as a method for casinos in Macao to issue to their mostly chinese customers.


What would you guys think about having a project to provide using some nxt asset 'RED' or 'BLUE' that a casino could issue as gambling chips for their customers?


And could the casino company take the open source nxt code, and start their own blockchain for their customers only?
legendary
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I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.05 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!

That is not a good idea. We don't need forgers to have a positive ROI. Most nodes do run now with negative ROI and it is in the intrerest of each NXT holder to secure the network. Don't forget that we are in the early stage of adoption and the system needs to be bigger to become selfsustainable. If we don't lower the fee significantly, we will not grow as much as most of us would like.

Also it is a community consensus to lower the fee to 0.1 NXT.

My 2 NXT cents

+ my 2 cents now equals 4 cents.

The time for positive ROI will come. It's important. People need to have a reasonable expectation that there will be ROI from forging in the future. But at this time we need to keep our fees low to encourage adoption and forgers should be willing to forge at a loss for the sake of protecting the network they have invested so much time, energy, and resources into.
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man Bter is just hovering right under .00008

cmon lets break through before full moon friday
legendary
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I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.05 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!

That is not a good idea. We don't need forgers to have a positive ROI. Most nodes do run now with negative ROI and it is in the intrerest of each NXT holder to secure the network. Don't forget that we are in the early stage of adoption and the system needs to be bigger to become selfsustainable. If we don't lower the fee significantly, we will not grow as much as most of us would like.

Also it is a community consensus to lower the fee to 0.1 NXT. No Stakeholder would pay 4000 NXT to just move his 1.000.000. Srsly 0.4% rofl


My 2 NXT cents
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I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.05 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!

I think that would put NXT into comparison with the 'real' world. I am in for that.
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NXT is the future
I am proposing that once wesley's client is finished it should be the standard client for every new Nxt release!

It looks brilliant, wesley you did it.  Shocked Smiley


+1

+1
legendary
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Ok so I had this idea, feel free to shoot it down, It's just an idea.

It's going to cost me at-least 3 grand to get all the capital to gather that I need to make these nxt themed silver bars. Ultimately I would like to get 6 moulds made if that’s possible which would cost much more than 3k. Maybe we could have a fair way to vote on what slogan to use, while at the same time you guys could help me to offset this big startup cost.

Since there is so much disagreement on what sort of slogan i should put on the bars, what if I made a nxt address for each submission and let people vote with their nxt. Who evers submission has the most nxt donated to it win the right to have his/her slogan engraved on every bar I produce for the foreseeable future.

Ill probably only get one mould if I have to convince my wife to let me spend this money. But any additional funds I raised this way would be put towards the purchase of additional moulds, thus greatly increasing my productive capacity and thus reducing the price that I'm able to sell each bar at.

Again just an idea. I'll totally understand if you guys think it sounds greedy or something and don’t want to have any part of it.
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DOWNLOAD THE MOBILE APP AND NEVER-MISS-ANOTHER-UPDATE!

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I hear the people in this topic have decided to switch to a 0.1 Nxt fee?  I've done some math and that would be only be enough to allow use to break even if we had ~50 forgers at a time.  Point is, it's way too low.

Fee structure proposal
0.4% transaction fee
0.1 Nxt per message
30 Nxt per alias registration

Didn't want to clog up this forum with a long post plus it would be really nice if we could start using other forums instead of everything in one place, no matter how loosely related.

Point is, here's the math and reasoning to back this up:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=785

Please go comment and let me know what you think about these numbers!
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Re: NXT :: descendiente de Bitcoin - Información Actualizada
Hoy a las 07:45:40 PM
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Cita de: mikesbmw en Hoy a las 07:42:56 PM
Cita de: Anon136 en Hoy a las 05:43:52 PM
Así que si alguna vez monedas o algo que vamos a necesitar un eslogan. USD ha In God We Trust. Bitcoin tiene "vires en numeris", que significa fuerza. Pensé por NXT podríamos usar "En emergentia speramus" que se traduce como "en el surgimiento we trust " Quería escribir algo más debajo del logo de NXT que puse en mis barras de plata por lo que "En speramus emergentia" es lo que ocurrió . Todos los comentarios constructivos son bienvenidos.



"El futuro es NXT." Creo que es bastante pegadizo.  

Sonrisa

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legendary
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During this process of implementing fractional NXT in the code, would it be possible to add support of higher resolution than .01 NXT? I realize this could be very difficult as it is stored as integer * 100, but I see many applications that could use higher precision. For example a lot of altcoins are worth a small fraction of NXT and as it is now, we need to create bundles of these so that .01 NXT wont create giant price swings.
Sorry, can't do that now. This would require much more fundamental changes, new block and transaction versions at the least.

Eventually is fine. Not a critical issue, but if you can just keep in mind the desire for added precision when transitioning to .01 precision, that would be great
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