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If someone wants to write up an overview of what exactly we need for the crypto auditing, I can send it to a few Crypto experts I've been in contact with.  Just PM me.

Please, CfB, help with that.

Edit: what kind of 'experts'?

I've been in contact with several people, including Matt Green (zerocoin).  I was originally referred to Matt by Susan Waters (http://cs.jhu.edu/~susan/) who was his professor, and Susan also recommended Lisa Yin in the same email.  I've had contact with Lisa and she sounds open to an audit.  Lisa has a PHD from MIT in Crypto.  I have contact with a few other academics as well.

Right, Lisa. I remember (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4989534). Well, what do you think, CfB?

Just do it. We need someone to check that Curve25519 and Crypto have no bugs.


You should email him (or her directly)  the source for 0.73

Her email is listed at http://people.csail.mit.edu/yiqun/
hero member
Activity: 644
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If someone wants to write up an overview of what exactly we need for the crypto auditing, I can send it to a few Crypto experts I've been in contact with.  Just PM me.

Please, CfB, help with that.

Edit: what kind of 'experts'?

I've been in contact with several people, including Matt Green (zerocoin).  I was originally referred to Matt by Susan Waters (http://cs.jhu.edu/~susan/) who was his professor, and Susan also recommended Lisa Yin in the same email.  I've had contact with Lisa and she sounds open to an audit.  Lisa has a PHD from MIT in Crypto.  I have contact with a few other academics as well.

Right, Lisa. I remember (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4989534). Well, what do you think, CfB?

Just do it. We need someone to check that Curve25519 and Crypto have no bugs.


You should email him (or her directly)  the source for 0.73
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So stolen accounts for some and audited open source clients for others it is then...

How can people fail to grasp the most basic importance of this. It has nothing to do with "open source initiatives". Its that people MUST know its safe to use based not on a persons guarantee (trust), but on open code that can be audited by anyone, anywhere, any time. This is peoples money and livelihoods were talking about.

 If someone wants to release closed source software for Nxt, so be it. Just don't download and install them. Or run them on virtual machines with no access to parent OS.  

Besides, open source doesn't really mean "safe" as most people just download and run the compiled binaries. There is no way to be sure if the complied executable is the same as "sources" .



legendary
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Famous forum web in China added Nxt on their mainpage,

http://8btc.com/forum-74-1.html

With our promotion,more and more website will add Nxt ;


From doing the Chinese flyer I can understand a few words (coin, future)... seeing this is very nice! You and miramare have been doing great work for Nxt. Smiley
yes,not only more and more other forum added Nxt, our Chinese Nxt forum www.nxts.info also have more and more members. Cheesy
legendary
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Newbie
Are there some flaws or disadvantages when defining a stack on this low level?

Yes, it's hard to predict how much memory u'll need if u heavily exploit stack by using recursions and similar stuff.

Python has a recursion limit if a function calls itself for n cycles
the interpreter break execution and will throw an error.
Could something similar be implemented in NXT turing scripts?
Also if you reconsidered about stack languages maybe this
project could be something that could help you or give idea about development
or maybe I' m wrong

http://freecode.com/projects/magicjar

I says is sandboxed and it runs on java VM.



We don't need someone else's VM, we need opcodes that could be interpreted.
legendary
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Newbie


If someone wants to write up an overview of what exactly we need for the crypto auditing, I can send it to a few Crypto experts I've been in contact with.  Just PM me.

Please, CfB, help with that.

Edit: what kind of 'experts'?

I've been in contact with several people, including Matt Green (zerocoin).  I was originally referred to Matt by Susan Waters (http://cs.jhu.edu/~susan/) who was his professor, and Susan also recommended Lisa Yin in the same email.  I've had contact with Lisa and she sounds open to an audit.  Lisa has a PHD from MIT in Crypto.  I have contact with a few other academics as well.

Right, Lisa. I remember (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4989534). Well, what do you think, CfB?

Just do it. We need someone to check that Curve25519 and Crypto have no bugs.
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Famous forum web in China added Nxt on their mainpage,

http://8btc.com/forum-74-1.html

With our promotion,more and more website will add Nxt ;


From doing the Chinese flyer I can understand a few words (coin, future)... seeing this is very nice! You and miramare have been doing great work for Nxt. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1004
Famous forum web in China added Nxt on their mainpage,

http://8btc.com/forum-74-1.html

With our promotion,more and more website will add Nxt ;
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Where is the source code?
Will be made available in a few weeks.

With all respect "in a few weeks" is unacceptable. You shouldn't have made it available if you weren't ready to release the source code. You should also be explicitely stating that its closed source.

I'll do it for you.

The Offspring Nxt client is CLOSED SOURCE. Use at your own risk!

Considering that most people store their money on Dgex or Bter it's not a big deal.

I'm not going to get into the whole dgex debacle, but we can assume that most people with funds on there probably don't want them on there.

Nonetheless, only about 10% of Nxt sits on exchanges. Closed source is a no go.

Seriously why even make this comment? Lets just have everything closed source then. The point is requiring basic standards no matter who is in question. The dgex standards have been... questionable in several ways.

Different strokes for different folks. Don't get me wrong... love open source initiatives. However, as we look to the masses (our future market) open source means crap to them.

Lots of clients in development, support the one that rings your bell.

So stolen accounts for some and audited open source clients for others it is then...

How can people fail to grasp the most basic importance of this. It has nothing to do with "open source initiatives". Its that people MUST know its safe to use based not on a persons guarantee (trust), but on open code that can be audited by anyone, anywhere, any time. This is peoples money and livelihoods were talking about.

Not to mention this:

Quote
Agree with buybitcoinscanada.
There's no reason for me to mistrust Graviton/GCinc, BUT: closed source client(!) with blockchain included(!) by the owner of an exchange and the biggest NXT forum....
hmmmm, could be dangerous and is not really the way to go!

I think GCInc. is a reasonable business person, he wouldn't want to hurt his reputation in any way.

Personally, I'll wait for the open source because I quite like the web-client which runs on my mini-computer, so I have no need for fancy wallets.
legendary
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By the way: Nxtchg's site is for sale: https://nxtchg.com/sale.php

Someone might want to take it over.

Anyone want to front me the 10btc for it? I'll run it at 1% fee and split it with you until you have your investment doubled.

Deal?


Sure. PM me and I'll get on it tomorrow, going to bed now.
legendary
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If someone wants to write up an overview of what exactly we need for the crypto auditing, I can send it to a few Crypto experts I've been in contact with.  Just PM me.

Please, CfB, help with that.

Edit: what kind of 'experts'?

I've been in contact with several people, including Matt Green (zerocoin).  I was originally referred to Matt by Susan Waters (http://cs.jhu.edu/~susan/) who was his professor, and Susan also recommended Lisa Yin in the same email.  I've had contact with Lisa and she sounds open to an audit.  Lisa has a PHD from MIT in Crypto.  I have contact with a few other academics as well.

Right, Lisa. I remember (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4989534). Well, what do you think, CfB?

Any update on this?

Not on my end.
legendary
Activity: 1181
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Where is the source code?
Will be made available in a few weeks.

With all respect "in a few weeks" is unacceptable. You shouldn't have made it available if you weren't ready to release the source code. You should also be explicitely stating that its closed source.

I'll do it for you.

The Offspring Nxt client is CLOSED SOURCE. Use at your own risk!

Considering that most people store their money on Dgex or Bter it's not a big deal.

I'm not going to get into the whole dgex debacle, but we can assume that most people with funds on there probably don't want them on there.

Nonetheless, only about 10% of Nxt sits on exchanges. Closed source is a no go.

Seriously why even make this comment? Lets just have everything closed source then. The point is requiring basic standards no matter who is in question. The dgex standards have been... questionable in several ways.

Agree with buybitcoinscanada.
There's no reason for me to mistrust Graviton/GCinc, BUT: closed source client(!) with blockchain included(!) by the owner of an exchange and the biggest NXT forum....
hmmmm, could be dangerous and is not really the way to go!

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You guys sure are quick!  Smiley Here's the full scoop.

DGEX is proud to present Offspring - The Cross-Platform 2nd Gen Crypto Client.

http://offspring.dgex.com

Screen shots?


hero member
Activity: 644
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You guys sure are quick!  Smiley Here's the full scoop.

DGEX is proud to present Offspring - The Cross-Platform 2nd Gen Crypto Client.

http://offspring.dgex.com

Screen shots?
sr. member
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AKA jefdiesel
http://rt.com/news/iran-attack-us-allegations-243/

collapse of the dollar might come sooner then i thought,,,

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1392039918.php

see paragraph:
PETRO-DOLLAR DEMISE & PETRO-GOLD RISE

us has the most powerful army in the world, and most innovative IT companies , so collapse will not soon.

and shale gas, 90% top universities, GDP, etc
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Where is the source code?
Will be made available in a few weeks.

With all respect "in a few weeks" is unacceptable. You shouldn't have made it available if you weren't ready to release the source code. You should also be explicitely stating that its closed source.

I'll do it for you.

The Offspring Nxt client is CLOSED SOURCE. Use at your own risk!

Considering that most people store their money on Dgex or Bter it's not a big deal.

I'm not going to get into the whole dgex debacle, but we can assume that most people with funds on there probably don't want them on there.

Nonetheless, only about 10% of Nxt sits on exchanges. Closed source is a no go.

Seriously why even make this comment? Lets just have everything closed source then. The point is requiring basic standards no matter who is in question. The dgex standards have been... questionable in several ways.

Different strokes for different folks. Don't get me wrong... love open source initiatives. However, as we look to the masses (our future market) open source means crap to them.

Lots of clients in development, support the one that rings your bell.
newbie
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Sometimes I feel a bit frustrated about the fee-system of Nxt, when I see these kind of blocks passing by:

[images deleted]

It's not really fair and the rich are getting even richer this way. I love Nxt, but there are small flaws which needs to be addressed. The critics will talk negative about Nxt because of these kind of issues.  

Maybe a percentage instead of a fixed fee? Curious to hear about the options.

lets revise this thinking.. no one is getting "richer" by sending a 1NXT payment.

lets call NXT "Affordable"

I've forged plenty of blocks for 1, 2, 3 NXT. and just last week I forged a block with a 100,000 transaction that the sender included a 100NXT fee in., so I was happy.

The transaction fee should cover the cost in processing said transaction. As the size of the transaction does not depend on the amount beeing transferred, both transactions should have the same fee.
Otherwise you will open the door to spamming.

The fee should be as small as possible while still sustaining a secure network. As the costs for forging are so low, this mainly comes down to a fee that discourages spamming. Even without spamming and a theoretical fee of 0 nxt, the Nxt hodlers would secure the network by themself to secure their coins.
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Berlin (2)
Hive, BitAngels and Mastercoin guys, + many many others. We ale looking for a speaker at the San Francisco conf Smiley Everyone is so excited about Nxt, it is easy with nice T-shirts we have thanks tu admiral.fu

Texas guys are here, so the speaker is for sure.

Still only 2 Barbie girls, so not much fun, only business talks...

About those Texas guys - please find Paul Snow and ask him to verify me as a speaker for nxt in Austin.

yes we spoke with Paul a few times for quite a lot of time... It's settled up... I even had to sign some papers with my blood

Good job...I think.  What exactly did you sign?  And...is he a vampire?

A fellow nxter notified me that i was nominated to be on the nxt marketing crew after he read your marketing summary over at nextcoin.org.

What's the latest scoop?  What do i need to do to help out?

We have a marketing/promotion thread but no one seems to like posting there so that is why i'm asking you here.

Tai Zen
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http://rt.com/news/iran-attack-us-allegations-243/

collapse of the dollar might come sooner then i thought,,,

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1392039918.php

see paragraph:
PETRO-DOLLAR DEMISE & PETRO-GOLD RISE

us has the most powerful army in the world, and most innovative IT companies , so collapse will not soon.
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