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Are you nut? Committee members will be voted by the community. The pay issue could also be voted by the community. But I would say that it is very likely to be a job without pay. That is my guess. I am not going to force this issue on anyone.


I wont waste more energy on this discussion, especially as you are backtracking and not takng responsibility of what you had already said regarding "COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL NOT BE PAID" and so on. And "I am here before you" bs
sr. member
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Are you nut? Committee members will be voted by the community. The pay issue could also be voted by the community. But I would say that it is very likely to be a job without pay. That is my guess. I am not going to force this issue on anyone.
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NXT.org
So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?

They have a lot. But people who don't have big interest in NXT should not be in the funding committee anyway and that's why funding committee will likely work without pay.
 
If you want to be paid, submit a project and be a project manger; you can be paid that way. And keep in mind, coordinating marketing and promotion could also be a project.

Me, Nifty and Salsa has been doing this for a long time already. We started this in mid December.
The point is: a person in the committee should not have to be a stakeholder, this is about doing good work and getting paid for what you do.

Implementing projects, doing good work and getting paid falls into project manager's category. I am here before you. Sorry, but what's reason for all these whining ?

You can still be in the committee if the community trusts you but it is not going to be a paid job.

To be honest: I have no clue what you've done for NXT, but I am sure it's great due to the audacity you are displaying.
But me, salsacz, nifty, justabit etc. have been working dilligently for over a month, so please don't act like you are the god of NXT, you do not decide these matters.

Me and salsa have already discussed these issues and we think a salary for committee members are fair. Obviously it's up for vote, but it's not something you decide, sorry, NXT is decentralized. You are clearly not a part of this mentality and should probably not be in the committee if you honestly believe that you can make decisions for everyone

Do as you wish. And yes this is a decentralized network.


So you're just going to ignore the authoritarian speak of your last posts?
The only argument I have made is that if people do good work, they deserve to get paid for it. That's just common sense, NXT is about revolutionizing economics, not going back to slave labour.

Personally I am willing to be a committee member without pay, but I don't like the idea of "only big stakeholders should have the power!" like you suggested.
They already hold significant market manipulation power that they can abuse, I do not think it's a good idea to automatically make these committee members just because they got in early on NXT.
Don't get me wrong, there are several nice stakeholders like klee, neer.g, aldrin etc. but NXT being decentralized means the committee members should also be decentralized and chosen based on their dedication to NXT and nothing else.


And it's also time that we include the majority of the NXT community in on these choices, unless you don't pay attention at all, the vast majority of NXTers are active on nextcoin.org and not in the BTT thread. It's completely wrong to let just a few guys here decide the NXT fund and committee
sr. member
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So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?

They have a lot. But people who don't have big interest in NXT should not be in the funding committee anyway and that's why funding committee will likely work without pay.
 
If you want to be paid, submit a project and be a project manger; you can be paid that way. And keep in mind, coordinating marketing and promotion could also be a project.

Me, Nifty and Salsa has been doing this for a long time already. We started this in mid December.
The point is: a person in the committee should not have to be a stakeholder, this is about doing good work and getting paid for what you do.

Implementing projects, doing good work and getting paid falls into project manager's category. I am here before you. Sorry, but what's reason for all these whining ?

You can still be in the committee if the community trusts you but it is not going to be a paid job.

To be honest: I have no clue what you've done for NXT, but I am sure it's great due to the audacity you are displaying.
But me, salsacz, nifty, justabit etc. have been working dilligently for over a month, so please don't act like you are the god of NXT, you do not decide these matters.

Me and salsa have already discussed these issues and we think a salary for committee members are fair. Obviously it's up for vote, but it's not something you decide, sorry, NXT is decentralized. You are clearly not a part of this mentality and should probably not be in the committee if you honestly believe that you can make decisions for everyone

Do as you wish. And yes this is a decentralized network.
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
NXT.org
So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?

They have a lot. But people who don't have big interest in NXT should not be in the funding committee anyway and that's why funding committee will likely work without pay.
 
If you want to be paid, submit a project and be a project manger; you can be paid that way. And keep in mind, coordinating marketing and promotion could also be a project.

Me, Nifty and Salsa has been doing this for a long time already. We started this in mid December.
The point is: a person in the committee should not have to be a stakeholder, this is about doing good work and getting paid for what you do.

Implementing projects, doing good work and getting paid falls into project manager's category. I am here before you. Sorry, but what's reason for all these whining ?

You can still be in the committee if the community trusts you but it is not going to be a paid job.

To be honest: I have no clue what you've done for NXT, but I am sure it's great due to the audacity you are displaying.
But me, salsacz, nifty, justabit etc. have been working dilligently for over a month, so please don't act like you are the god of NXT, you do not decide these matters.

Me and salsa have already discussed these issues and we think a salary for committee members are fair. Obviously it's up for vote, but it's not something you decide, sorry, NXT is decentralized. You are clearly not a part of this mentality and should probably not be in the committee if you honestly believe that you can make decisions for everyone
sr. member
Activity: 602
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Internet of Value
So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?

They have a lot. But people who don't have big interest in NXT should not be in the funding committee anyway and that's why funding committee will likely work without pay.
 
If you want to be paid, submit a project and be a project manger; you can be paid that way. And keep in mind, coordinating marketing and promotion could also be a project.

Me, Nifty and Salsa has been doing this for a long time already. We started this in mid December.
The point is: a person in the committee should not have to be a stakeholder, this is about doing good work and getting paid for what you do.

Implementing projects, doing good works and getting paid falls into project manager's category. I am here before you. Sorry, but what's reason for all these whining ?

You can still be in the committee if the community trusts you but it is not going to be a paid job.
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
NXT.org
So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?

They have a lot. But people who don't have big interest in NXT should not be in the funding committee anyway and that's why funding committee will likely work without pay.
 
If you want to be paid, submit a project and be a project manger; you can be paid that way. And keep in mind, coordinating marketing and promotion could also be a project.

Me, Nifty and Salsa has been doing this for a long time already. We started this in mid December.
The point is: a person in the committee should not have to be a stakeholder, this is about doing good work and getting paid for what you do.
sr. member
Activity: 602
Merit: 268
Internet of Value
So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?

They have a lot. But people who don't have big interest in NXT should not be in the funding committee anyway and that's why funding committee will likely work without pay.
 
If you want to be paid, submit a project and be a project manger; you can be paid that way. And keep in mind, coordinating marketing and promotion could also be a project.
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
NXT.org
So BCnext and Luc got zero NXT from genesis?
sr. member
Activity: 602
Merit: 268
Internet of Value


Only if members of such foundation are NOT paid.

can you please make that clear that it would be a commitee that is NOT paid in any way.?

thank you

Pin

Sure committee members should not be paid.

thank you

Yeah, why would we pay the guys who do all the organizing, finding the talents, handing out tasks, coming up with tasks, beta-testing projects, proof checking everything and do most of the work. That'd be crazy


It would be much less fun believe me.

With not paid that means by community fund, if there are private sponsors I have nothing against it.

Pin

It's pretty obivous that people deserve to get paid for their work though. If the committee has to put in tens of hours per week they deserve NXT for their work. Noone should have to work for free to make other people tons of money, that's just common sense.

I think you forget two most important people behind NXT : BCNext and Luc are working without pay.
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Only if members of such foundation are NOT paid.

can you please make that clear that it would be a commitee that is NOT paid in any way.?

thank you

Pin

Sure committee members should not be paid.

thank you

Yeah, why would we pay the guys who do all the organizing, finding the talents, handing out tasks, coming up with tasks, beta-testing projects, proof checking everything and do most of the work. That'd be crazy


It would be much less fun believe me.

With not paid that means by community fund, if there are private sponsors I have nothing against it.

Pin

It's pretty obivous that people deserve to get paid for their work though. If the committee has to put in tens of hours per week they deserve NXT for their work. Noone should have to work for free to make other people tons of money, that's just common sense.
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NXT is the future


Only if members of such foundation are NOT paid.

can you please make that clear that it would be a commitee that is NOT paid in any way.?

thank you

Pin

Sure committee members should not be paid.

thank you

Yeah, why would we pay the guys who do all the organizing, finding the talents, handing out tasks, coming up with tasks, beta-testing projects, proof checking everything and do most of the work. That'd be crazy


It would be much less fun believe me.

With not paid that means by community fund, if there are private sponsors I have nothing against it.

Pin
full member
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The biggest problem with having a strict "open bounty" committee is that less will get done and slower.
Obviously we'll need to have bounties, but a lot of the projects we are already working on and have been working on for a month is a lot more complex than that and needs to bring in people from the outside.
And a lot of these decisions need to be made quickly.

And where do we hold the decisions? Definitely not on BTT; there are more active NXTers at nextcoin forum so it's only sensible to have it there.
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We need to change with the change in a changing market, so I choose the open bounty. Of course, every funding and bounty should be transparent.
legendary
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I like the second too. Cheesy
full member
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Only if members of such foundation are NOT paid.

can you please make that clear that it would be a commitee that is NOT paid in any way.?

thank you

Pin

Sure committee members should not be paid.

thank you

Yeah, why would we pay the guys who do all the organizing, finding the talents, handing out tasks, coming up with tasks, beta-testing projects, proof checking everything and do most of the work. That'd be crazy
sr. member
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Open bounty for me too, all the way.

It's an excellent way to encourage development and to reward reliable, genuinely interested people who understand that helping to improve the community and obtaining some returns go hand by hand.

Then it's up to the comittee to deliver bounty in stages to optimize the efficiency of bounties, to open polls when necessary, etc.
sr. member
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Voted 2, but am a proponent of a hybrid version: funding committee plans and has its own agenda ánd gives out funds to open bounties.
Otherwise we will keep having problems that marketing efforts will be largely uncoordinated.
Open bounties are a good idea, and need to be there, though, if only as a means to get as many people involved as possible. Some people don't like to work in a team environment, and we shouldn't force them.

yes, there could be a bounty for:

"Planning, coordinating and executing marketing campaigns"  (something like this)
(it actually is written in the table - organising campaigns)

with this in mind
+1 for open bounties.

We have a segmented global marked to embrace. I see no better solution.
"Locals" should have better knowledge of how to reach their countrymen/communities/subculture than a closed committee.
Or maybe not Wink So they will have to convince the committee of their bright ideas, talent and trustworthiness to (maybe) get funded. Or finance it otherwise.

The funding committee must gather incoming ideas and plans, evaluate them, and see how they fit into their overall plan for NXT marketing. And this "overall marketing plan" I believe is just as important as selecting who the members of the committee will be.
We could select candidates for the committee by their trust, their proof of talent and "personality", and/or members should be obliged to follow a general plan, that the community has agreed to. How do we make sure, that the committee is representing the will of the community? Do we care about that (development is for developers, marketing for marketeers)? I believe in open minds + project management, balls of steel (in need of a better word) when it comes to handling money, and a massive decentralized effort.
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I would like to see something along these lines implemented.
sr. member
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S P 8 D E
bounties the way to go...  Cool

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"... the big stake holders that wont contribute and fund bounties will be punished by the Universe aka Karma" ~ Mesay
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