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June 23, 2018, 04:15:04 AM
Questra/ AGAM are not that actual at all at the moment though Alex Prochukhan hired some obscure latino to promote it's in second version or better say - relaunching this Ukranian scam project. Telling you the truth I find Questra actions very strange and illogical. Do they really believe someone would believe Questra for the second time and bring their money once again? Or these PR-campaign against Worldcore - a complete waste of time and money, they've managed to drop the WRC price but what for and what's then? What strange people they are...     



The scammers` actions are not always amenable to logic because at a certain stage they begin to rip off the mind from greed from the amount of stolen goods, and they stop thinking about their actions and are guided by blind instincts almost like animals. I think the final act of the tragicomedy under the name "Questra & AGAM" is coming up! Storing up popcorn gentlemen))

Exactly! Dear readers, remember please, that

https://s25.postimg.cc/imrxznuen/Q-scam.jpg
newbie
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June 22, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
stupid Nasonov's paidposters.
Ok - UP!


/ MArina could you tells us if you can create something more witty than the endless upping of the old posts?? and let me get to know why you visit this topic so irregularly unlike the Russian branch of it??? I have a very strong kind of feeling that the translators in your troll factory are working terribly slowly))0 because you do not look like a person who speaks English fluently. ..
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June 06, 2018, 03:39:14 AM
Reality.

The WORLDCORE team is not too awesome ah, the price of WRC fell into shit. Hasten to release several good pull pull tray to maintain market value.

Remember: WORLDCORE - A SCAM!
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June 22, 2018, 10:26:59 PM

Drop of Worldcore Alexey Nasonov: Worldcore and our ICO is SCAM! Organizer Krymov is arrested! Recognition of the false Director of Worldcore Alexey Nasonov that all the information on the websites https://scamworldcore.com/ http://stopkrymov.com/ is a truth!

Namely, Alexey Nasonov confirmed the following:

1. Worldcore and ICO project is a SCAM.
2. There are no turnovers in Worldcore, no product, no licenses.
 3. Alexey Nasonov is drop (false director) of Worldcore.
4. Krymov is really related to Worldcore.
5. Krymov is really arrested and in a pre-trial detention center of Moscow.

Worldcore is SCAM! The organizers of the scam will be in prison!


!! do stop sprreading the video by which you disgrace yourselves!!it is the video t hat your helpers cut into pieces from a real nasonov s interview --this is so silly. this isthe level of the kindergarten.  If I were you,, I would not post it again and again.. ,and would try to erase even the mention of it from everyWhere because this is evidence of how the prochuhan`s paidposters clumsily work!!
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June 22, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
Questra/ AGAM are not that actual at all at the moment though Alex Prochukhan hired some obscure latino to promote it's in second version or better say - relaunching this Ukranian scam project. Telling you the truth I find Questra actions very strange and illogical. Do they really believe someone would believe Questra for the second time and bring their money once again? Or these PR-campaign against Worldcore - a complete waste of time and money, they've managed to drop the WRC price but what for and what's then? What strange people they are...     



Regarding token price drop.
Let's take for example Docademic - it cost initially less than WRC after it was ruined, but just have a look what's going on with it in the moment!
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/docademic/  Docademic is up by more than 61 percent while the crypto market is moving at a slow speed on 12-18th of June. In comparison to the majority of the crypto market which has been through serious fluctuation in the past week, Docademic has been on a continuous upward momentum. And that's because John McAfee has been in strong support of this cryptocurrency having spoken it's favour! The things are absolutely unpredictable on the market.

Yeah, indeed the market is unpredictable and everything can turn upside down at any moment. So, it is early to bury the WRC token, despite all these kinds of scream about the scam. By the way, the exchange rate falls actually because of this campaign on blackening the project. I have almost no doubt about it. Pestyuk and Prochukhan do not want to leave the project alone and in every way they are making obstacles to its development.
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June 22, 2018, 09:19:50 PM
Questra/ AGAM are not that actual at all at the moment though Alex Prochukhan hired some obscure latino to promote it's in second version or better say - relaunching this Ukranian scam project. Telling you the truth I find Questra actions very strange and illogical. Do they really believe someone would believe Questra for the second time and bring their money once again? Or these PR-campaign against Worldcore - a complete waste of time and money, they've managed to drop the WRC price but what for and what's then? What strange people they are...     



The scammers` actions are not always amenable to logic because at a certain stage they begin to rip off the mind from greed from the amount of stolen goods, and they stop thinking about their actions and are guided by blind instincts almost like animals. I think the final act of the tragicomedy under the name "Questra & AGAM" is coming up! Storing up popcorn gentlemen))
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June 22, 2018, 03:33:49 PM
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June 22, 2018, 03:20:16 PM
All we know at the moment that Questra has been attacking Worldcore: 


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https://s25.postimg.cc/nms3sm6z3/image.jpg
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ICO WORDCORE - SCAM!

Worldcore – another failure of Pavel Krymov: 30 reasons not to participate in ICO Worldcore




A close investigation of ICO Worldcore confirms the involvement of fraudster Pavel Krymov. Worldcore is a scam since 2016. Fake documents, droppings and lies. Token WCR - do not take!

Since the creation of the resource stopkrymov.com, we have pursued one single goal - to punish financial criminal Pavel Gennadyevich Krymov. This person for 15 years has created about 40 fraudulent resources and financial pyramids, the largest of which: Questra World, Forex Trend, Panteon Finance, Private FX and Solvena.

At the moment, criminal investigations have already been conducted against Pavel Krymov at http://stopkrymov.com/news/moshennik-pavel-krymov-obyavlen-v-mezhdunarodnyy-rozysk on the basis of cases brought on the basis of Article 190 part 4 paragraph 2 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan: fraud in a particularly large amount. However, in parallel with the actions of law enforcement agencies, we conduct our own search operations and gather evidence using detective agencies.

The placement of any information on this resource allows not only to expose the criminal activity of Pavel Krymov, but also to warn gullible citizens of losses in still existing or newly created fraudster projects.

One of our current tasks is to prevent any options for earning and monetizing Pavel Krymov's resources, as well as projects that are somehow connected with this criminal. Therefore, absolutely any initiative that has direct or indirect links with Krymov is doomed to failure.

One of the latest examples is the disastrous Solvena ICO pyramid of Krymov http://stopkrymov.com/news/provalnoy-solvena-krimova-ne-pomoget-dage-ruchnoy-mmgp. Neither customized articles, nor beautiful stories and provocations on forums, nor paid advertising allowed Krymov to advance this project. The swindler simply turned the counters on Solvena io and threw this direction, and all those who invested in the scam.

We are among the very complex investors, deceived by Krymov. Our resource is unlimited and our intentions are unchanged. No Krymov’s project, including Worldcore, will develop and raise money from trusting citizens. The chain of its financial pyramids will soon be stopped, while Krymov himself will serve time in prison!

As for ICO Worldcore:

If you carefully read the introduction, you should have undderstood that Worldcore is a frank scam, doomed to failure. Thesis, the concept of the collapse of ICO Worldcore:

1. The connection of any project with the swindler Pavel Krymov is a failure. Absolutely any undertaking promoted on the scammer's resources (including MMGP) is a priori scam.
2. The work of our specialists against any project of Pavel Krymov means that the project will be a failure. Again, we have an unlimited resource. We are not interested in financial compensation, any commercial offers and other attempts to resolve this issue. Krymov will not earn; Krymov's projects, including Worldcore, will not develop; Krymov, definitely, will be in prison.
3. If you do not understand who Krymov is and have not yet given up the idea of somehow cooperating with ICO Worldcore, this is a failure. However, especially for you, we collected 30 obvious facts that Worldcore is just a beautiful legend whose goal coincides with Krymov's main activity to collect money and hide.
 
30 reasons not to participate in ICO Worldcore. Worldcore is a scam you can avoid!

1. The most expensive advertising on the forum of Pavel Krymov MMGP. As you know, the forum belongs to Krymov and on it the rotten lodges are advertised. The European company priori will not cooperate with the criminal and especially will not do advertising on the stash of pyramids and other projects not related to investment. The most expensive banner (1000 US Dollars per week) and the most acidic source of traffic (1.8%) is clearly a sign of unreasonable advertising, beneficial only for Pavel Krymov.
http://stopkrymov.com/news/worldcore-afera-organizator-ico-worldcore-moshennik-pavel-gennadevich-krymov-tokenwcr-ne-brat

2. The sequence of dates for calls for cooperation on ICO from Pavel Krymov and Worldcore. August 23 - Pavel Krymov on his blog posts information that a large advertising campaign ICO is preparing. August 24 (the day after the publication of Krymov) on the site Bitcointalk org (the largest forum on crypto currency), the topic ICO Worldcore appeared.

3. The domain worldcore.com is designed for an individual (Alexey Nasonov) http://stopkrymov.com/news/worldcore-afera-organizator-ico-worldcore-moshennik-pavel-gennadevich-krymov-tokenwcr-ne-brat . This is a frivolous approach of a European company.

4. Comments under customized articles Worldcore are about the scam and Krymov. And the already frail advertising campaign ICO Worldcore failed. Investors already know that the project is connected with a fraudster.



5. All the dates of the ICO Worldcore ad campaign overlap with the scammer's moves in the blog and on the forum. Worldcore announced ICO on August 17. The next day, on August 18, the information appeared on MMGP fraudster Pavel Krymov. On August 23, Crimea on his blog announced the search for partners to promote ICO. On August 24, the theme of Worldcore on Bitcointalk appeared. The topic, by the way, created an account, registered in mid-July 2017.


6. Variability of the outcome of the crowdsdale. European companies do not conduct an ICO of the type "how much we collect, so much and take". This is how Krymov works. In ICO Wordcore there are no goals and obligations to return the investment, if you do not get the right amount. But there are ambitions up to 100 million US Dollars.

7. A ridiculous comment and subsequent acquittal by ICO Worldcore Paul Krymov's accomplice Julia Komnina. At first, Julia began to snarl, but then at the insistence of Krymov denied the connection between ICO Worldcore and the pyramid of Private FX.




8. "Russian-English" - translation into English with errors. All the texts of the allegedly European ICO Worldcore were originally made in Russian, and then they were illiterately translated into English. As a result, we have extra punctuation in the English text (participial and adverbial movements, separated by commas), inherent exclusively in Russian-language writing. Also there are unique combinations of words that are apparently generated by Google translator.

9. First money - then everything else. From the basic data on crowdsale it follows that presale (pre-sale) will begin on October 2 of this year, ICO will start on October 14, and dividend payments will begin (if any) on March 31 (probably 2018). Absolutely all financial obligations to investors are planned only for 2018. All significant changes and improvements of the company have also been postponed to 2018. The scheme with deferred promises and payments is a rather unhealthy practice for a project that claims its high reputation.



10. Ambitions that are not comparable to reality. Only a stupid optimist (swindler) is planning an ICO scam-project for 100 million dollars. This goal is nothing more than an attempt to take a bigger piece. And again Krymov's mannerism.

11. Lack of arguments for investment. Worldcore does not have licenses, registrations, a tax report (FATCA), a corporate social responsibility (CSR) document, or even a financial plan.

12. Planning? We did not hear. Worldcore has not submitted plans for the coming year and road map for at least 3-5 years. A monthly plan, detailed items of expenditure and proof of the correctness of the choice of areas of work - there is nothing in this.

13. Lies about finished products. Worldcore reports that their cards have been working for 2 years, but no reviews, reviews or any mention of users about them.


14. The payment system Worldcore, supposedly working for two years, did not show documents on working with Visa/Mastercard, SWIFT, etc. But it informed that it would certainly be in partnership with them ... someday. We can't believe it - two years of absolutely illegal work!


15. The surfaced negative since 2016. Reports that Worldcore is scam, appeared in English-speaking forums as early as 2016.


16. Doubtful team. If you are a public top manager and want to gain trust, then there must be information about you. No pages on LinkedIn, nor a mention of past successes - about the top management of Worldcore is unknown. Well, except that participation in Russian Forex-engines. Forex - the favourite legend of the pyramids of Pavel Krymov.


By the way, iOS developer did not impress the world with the application, but we tell about this later.

17. Is CEO of Worldcore  a fake? Arising from nowhere young businessman Alexei Nasonov (born in 1988) with 3 million 475 thousand CZK (about 134 000 euros) in the project? It is doubtful. But this is acceptable for Krymov - remember the pyramid of Questra Word and its Spanish actor-directors.


Source: official website of the Ministry of Justice of the Czech Republic.

18. Twisted ridiculous attendance. The Czech company? The European market? Why 50% of the traffic - RF aggregators, bitcoin-cranes and fraudulent MMGP.RU? The same thing is with attendance - the CIS and the countries of Latin America (!).


19. Boorish communication of representative of Worldcore in profile forums. The topic starter in the ICO Worldcore branch on bitcointalk org snaps at uncomfortable questions and calls investors "morons".


20. Bots. The bounty program from Worldcore is an offer to write 60 positive posts for bonuses from the company. Parallel to this, bots are created that use foul language and discredit the opposition.

21. Distrust of experienced investors. On the same bitointalk their own claims to WC were expressed by the experienced users of the forum. Naturally, the inconvenient questions of the topic-starter are ignored.



22. Weak customized articles and press releases. They write about themselves about nonsense, they themselves pay in average publications. The double-dealing is so bold that nobody doubts that the words "worldcore works with banks" are lies. The article itself is a story about the fact that they, the beautiful ones, were invited to a conference.


23. Fictional blackmail. When on the forum bitcointalk appeared members of the forum, doubting the company and its ICO, the topstarter laid out a few "screenshots" that depict how, poor, blackmailed unknown scammers. This is a mannerism of Pavel Krymov. For those who do not know - he and lime dealings paid for 500000 US Dollars. That, by the way, he will stand surety for.


24. WCR Tokens for Fiat? Worldcore is going to sell tokens for Fiat. This contradicts the essence of the ICO and calls into question the process at the legislative level.



25. Buying tokens before the presale? No comments.


"The official presale will start on October 02, but we are ready to sell you tokens in a manual mode", - answers the "CEO" of the company Worldcore Alexei Nasonov. For those who do not understand: this move with the open sale of WCR to the presale is made in order to pour its money on the purse of Worldcore and yell then: "see how our security is claimed!" The usual stupid step by Krymov, who is also ready to invest money from investors even before the start of the project.

26. Investigations on other resources. A simple language for those who do not know English: one star is the worst estimate. The word Scam in the first line is probably already seen. In sum, this is greetings about the failure of Worldcore from 2016.



27. The similarity of the failed ICOs of Solvena and Worldcore. Work on forums, made hastily sites, tokens for fiat, an external gloss without facts inside, actors-managers, lack of data about the team and other dubious nuances - all this is Krymov's mannerism.

28. Allegedly 2 years of work and the lack of a normal iOS-application. A strange fact about an allegedly successful fin-teh company, isn’t?


29. Just a notable mention of Forbes, which covers Worldcore

So, this is not Worldcore in the top-100 successful companies and not the director on the cover page. This journalist discusses on abstract topics, used Google to find some boys on the subject, cited as an example. Nearby is a mention of the world circus brand Du Soleil, just in case.




30. CE Award startup awards 2017 - regular online voting.
Worldcore boasts of an allegedly prestigious European award. Do you know how to get it? Those who are not lazy, just register on the site and twist their online voting. Who has worked more - he won. That’s all.



Where Krymov is, expect trouble. Worldsore - the scam of Pavel Krymov

You do not have to be very clever to understand the main fact - everything related to the fraudster Pavel Krymov is doomed to failure. The goal of his projects, including the promoted ICO Worldcore, is simply to collect the investors' money and hide in the direction known to law enforcement agencies.

 Do not invest in the projects of Pavel Krymov - this will lead to a loss of money. Do not buy advertising from him and do not engage in joint business - this will lead to loss of money, project and reputation. Do not expect that Worldcore and other scams of Pavel Krymov will develop. Everything is doomed to failure, because Pavel Krymov will soon be in prison!
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June 22, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
Worldcore pump and dump scheme:

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/worldcore/

First pump action from Jan 03 till Jan 07 - thereafter continuing dump action with several intermittent pump actions with falling tendency - last pump action between Feb 06 and Feb 17 - and then flattening curve.

This topic exists since Oct 04,2017. Its negative Worldcore image couldn´t touch pump action.

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June 22, 2018, 02:25:17 PM

And additionally, in connection with market capitalization - we've got some distinct examples that this means nothing.
Let's have a look at Docademic - it cost initially less than WRC after it was ruined, but just have a look what's going on with it in the moment!
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/docademic/  Docademic is up by more than 61 percent while the crypto market is moving at a slow speed on 12-18th of June. In comparison to the majority of the crypto market players which has been through serious fluctuation in the past week, Docademic has been on a continuous upward momentum. And that's because John McAfee has been in strong support of this cryptocurrency having spoken it's favour! The things are absolutely unpredictable on the market.

Doesn't it mean Worldcore should recruit some like, let's say, Eugene Kaspersky to their services to make the WRC token great again?  Grin




Nope  Cheesy
Eugene Kaspersky seems to be a scandalous figure, he's been under FBI suspicion in distributing spyware instaed of proper anti-malware kits))
And possibly he's connected to the Russian FSB. At least his wife had a couple of official projects with FSB. That's why Kasperky family as the promoters wouldn't be a wise choice)).

And regarding Docademic, doesn't its graphs look like classical pump and dump scheme?   Grin
But even if Docademic is pump and dump - so what? Is this way of doing crypto bussiness directly prohibited by any authorities? Nope, once gain!)) 
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June 22, 2018, 02:11:19 PM
I´m back from my journey in Schwarzwald (Black Forest), a few days earlier than planned - and I´m still alive. But what I now register here is absolutly not pleasant: same procedure as since May - permanent boring repeats of former statements by all involved parties. No further information, no further investigation.

But here is further information:

From the highs of Jan 07,2018 in price and market capitalization of WRC to date this token has lost about 96 % - with desolate 24h volumes recently. There are strong signs of zombie-like development. Current WRC holders won´t be happy with it.

By the way: "SHILL" is the usual American expression for "paid helper" in the media. In US there are a lot of online media promoting their clients for cash - even if those companies are real trash. I´ve also used this expression several times, because I´m convinced that your party is payed (respectively a multi-account invention of Worldcore management) for distraction tactic in this topic!

And additionally, in connection with market capitalization - we've got some distinct examples that this means nothing.
Let's have a look at Docademic - it cost initially less than WRC after it was ruined, but just have a look what's going on with it in the moment!
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/docademic/  Docademic is up by more than 61 percent while the crypto market is moving at a slow speed on 12-18th of June. In comparison to the majority of the crypto market players which has been through serious fluctuation in the past week, Docademic has been on a continuous upward momentum. And that's because John McAfee has been in strong support of this cryptocurrency having spoken it's favour! The things are absolutely unpredictable on the market.

Doesn't it mean Worldcore should recruit some like, let's say, Eugene Kaspersky to their services to make the WRC token great again?  Grin




newbie
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June 22, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
I´m back from my journey in Schwarzwald (Black Forest), a few days earlier than planned - and I´m still alive. But what I now register here is absolutly not pleasant: same procedure as since May - permanent boring repeats of former statements by all involved parties. No further information, no further investigation.

But here is further information:

From the highs of Jan 07,2018 in price and market capitalization of WRC to date this token has lost about 96 % - with desolate 24h volumes recently. There are strong signs of zombie-like development. Current WRC holders won´t be happy with it.

By the way: "SHILL" is the usual American expression for "paid helper" in the media. In US there are a lot of online media promoting their clients for cash - even if those companies are real trash. I´ve also used this expression several times, because I´m convinced that your party is payed (respectively a multi-account invention of Worldcore management) for distraction tactic in this topic!

Welcome back, researcher194))!

How was your long and dangerous journey to the legendary forest of Schwarzwald?

Yes, nothing is new under the moon, but as you can see the little helpers of Questra were pro-active pouring down their garbage baskets here)))
They even changed their userpics from Pavel Krymov to Alex Nasonov and I keep on wondering what is this activity all about? Does it make anyone sense at all?

Regarding usage of "shill" - yes, as you mentioned it's American memaning "a promoter", but this word also has a number of other meanings not negative at all. So obviously it bears no any negativity. And in the English language there's a multitude of synonims and slang expressions to be used instead of "shill", that's it makes me very funny when several presumably different people use the same single word contatntly)). It looks more like there's been a single person in charge of the black PR-attack on Worldcore in this thread.         
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June 22, 2018, 11:02:04 AM
Additum to # 820

User´s "seven.71" signature is "MetaHash".

Here one of the latest posts of this user:

13    Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] Metahash🔥Cryptocurrency for decentralized apps🔥PAYING IN 💰ETH💰300   on: June 18, 2018, 04:42:46 PM
when the signature campaign will start and i am joined signature campaign sir

Wow!
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June 22, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
IS THERE COMING A NEW "LIONORA SWISS" ?

https://metahash.org/

Some thoughts about this company:

1. The originators are Russian.

2. Company is registered in Zug/Switzerland.

3. Company´s motto: "CONCORDIA RES PARVAE CRESCUNT". This is part of the Latin phrase "Concordia res parvae crescunt, discordia maximae dilabuntur" (Sallust). This means: Concord makes small things grow or "Together we´ll be strong".

4. The team is totally "overstretched" - a lot of bought advisors and consultants:

AdNow: https://monetizepros.com/ad-network-reviews/adnow-review/

AdSniper: http://ad-sniper.com/

Agranowsky IT: http://www.agranovsky.org/english.html

5. The business plan seems very obscure, especially drawing money by coin mining over ten years. I believe after ICO there will be offered special mining funds collecting money from "Joe Sixpack" people.
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live the dream but don't live the dream
June 21, 2018, 04:07:16 PM
Fake Worldcore "marketing director" now looking for new job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1eusJ0_qDs



Do you want to hire mr. Patterson?  Grin Grin Grin

very clearly visible is still there that will dispute wordcore it scam
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June 21, 2018, 01:07:53 PM
MONEY MAKER GROUP IS DEAD

http://behindmlm.com/mlm/two-largest-ponzi-promotion-websites-pulled-offline-within-minutes/

Yet one of its related "arms" - bitmakler.com, bitmakler.net, bitmakler.ru - which has launched Crypto Investment Funds and HYIPs is offline just since the last three weeks.

Here the complete list of their projects:

AMBIS
BITCOMET
BitZilla
BitIsland
Cryptodaily
Lifebit
BitWise
BitWaves
BitPalas
Bitkush
Oscarbit

But its related crypto exchanges - BitFlip and Cryptex - are still alive. I believe MMGP isn´t really dead. They are only reorganizing their business. Professional scammers always find new ways - and new victims - for their activities.

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June 21, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
I´m back from my journey in Schwarzwald (Black Forest), a few days earlier than planned - and I´m still alive. But what I now register here is absolutly not pleasant: same procedure as since May - permanent boring repeats of former statements by all involved parties. No further information, no further investigation.

But here is further information:

From the highs of Jan 07,2018 in price and market capitalization of WRC to date this token has lost about 96 % - with desolate 24h volumes recently. There are strong signs of zombie-like development. Current WRC holders won´t be happy with it.

By the way: "SHILL" is the usual American expression for "paid helper" in the media. In US there are a lot of online media promoting their clients for cash - even if those companies are real trash. I´ve also used this expression several times, because I´m convinced that your party is payed (respectively a multi-account invention of Worldcore management) for distraction tactic in this topic!
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