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Quote from: OpenOcean on March 01, 2015, 07:11:32 AM

I know this may sound really, really terrible... but this a good sign hahaha (I'm really sorry for those parties involved though, seriously). People (thieves in this case) are treating it like currency, straight up.

This is not a good sign in anyway . For example even the ISIS is asking for ransoms in bitcoins, and that is getting it in the bad books.

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Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 12:16:44 PM

It's a grand sentiment to place all people on equal footing. I totally agree that is where we should start. But the guy in the quote above fails to recognize that in history there has never been a time free of criminals.

Here you reveal the limits of your historical vision. Of course there was a time before criminals, there was a time before history, and we call it pre-history. 500,000 years of simple existence in harmony with nature.
Just as there was a time before criminals, capitalism, and inequality, there will be a time after these things as well. We are a species in our social infancy, having just awoken from the long sleep of pre-reasoned society.

Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 12:16:44 PM

Real criminals step outside of society for their own gain at our expense. They steal what you worked for and take what they want.

I find it offensive that you lump all criminals together as a malignant monolith. I'd argue that many criminals are just trying to survive the best/only way they know how, with no intention of hurting anyone. It would be just as unfair for me to lump all capitalists together as sociopathic parasites, when in reality it's only the vast majority of highly "successful" capitalists that are sociopathic parasites.

It's revealing that you believe your society is so wholesome that only evil or insane people would choose to step outside of it. You must be very privileged indeed, to think that is reality.

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Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:57:55 AM

Sometimes being humane means putting the lives of good people over the life of a criminal.

"Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."
-E. V. Debs, Statement to the Court, September 18, 1918

It's a grand sentiment to place all people on equal footing. I totally agree that is where we should start. But the guy in the quote above fails to recognize that in history there has never been a time free of criminals and there will always be people in jail. I'm not sure what he thinks should be done with the many violent criminals who are in jail now. Let them out? Think he'll be free then?

Real criminals step outside of society for their own gain at our expense. They steal what you worked for and take what they want. I am NOT "of it". They made a choice to be criminals and that's cool. But no crybaby crap when they forfeit their freedom or get blown away. Life is about choices and dealing with the results. Don't want to get shot by me? Easy, don't decide to kill me.

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Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:57:55 AM

Sometimes being humane means putting the lives of good people over the life of a criminal.

"Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."
-E. V. Debs, Statement to the Court, September 18, 1918

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Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

Ok, I'm delusional. So says the guy who thinks he can win a gunfight without a gun. Roll Eyes

There are many circumstances where I would rather have a knife than a gun, especially within 10 feet of the target.

One of these is a good option for personal defense if you are trained:

http://www.theultimateknife.com/599-fox-karambit-black-g10-fighting-knife-emerson-wave-size-m-xl/
http://www.theultimateknife.com/fox-dart-tanto-karambit-black-g10-fighting-knife-emerson-wave-size-m-xl/

I would recommend every family to arm themselves with at least a 12 gauge shotgun.

This is also a really good project to support to arm more individuals with unserialized AR-15s :
https://ghostgunner.net

Any arguments with gun control advocates is pointless to make as they live in a delusional world not represented by facts, will claim "correlation does not equal causation" for inconvenient facts that don't support their agenda and don't apply the same principles to their own "facts" , and simply don't have any practical solutions to solve gun violence when faced with the fact that I can make a gun for 20 dollars in my garage.

I would like to hear of any practical solutions to control gun ownership that doesn't involve supporting the gun ownership disparity with a trained group of dangerous psychopaths.

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 02, 2015, 10:36:47 AM

Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

I'm guessing you think the police should handle things. Cops are great at carefully analyzing a crime scene. They will photograph and tag your body, odds are they will even catch your killer. Luckily you will not be alive and don't have to worry about your concern of accidentally being shot. The police have a much worse record than CCW holders. About 11% of police shootings are wrongful and kill an innocent person. By comparison about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person.

Yeah, I can't argue this is extremely fucked up. These two are just from the past month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-0uqFTBclo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhEY_NfXJU

Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

Ok, I'm delusional. So says the guy who thinks he can win a gunfight without a gun.

There are no winners to be found in a gun fight. One comes away alive and a murderer, possibly with PTSD and/or serious physical injuries, the other dies. Both lose a great deal.

All participants in violence have already forfeited their humanity.

Sometimes being humane means putting the lives of good people over the life of a criminal. But as you mention it is good for nobody involved. Not only may the shooter have a hard time dealing with the mental strain of having killed someone, they will be financially ruined. That is why I am licensed to pull my weapon ONLY if someone is about to kill me or someone in my immediate presence. Anything else is a crime. I can't stop a crook from stealing or even a pedophile from raping a child in right front of me. The allowed use of a gun is extremely narrow in the law. Those of us who are willing to take on the responsibility of CCW are not the violent cowboys you think we are. I deplore violence and think it is used far to much in our society. I think it's sick how we entertain ourselves by watching the voyeuristic drama of people hurting each other. I'm a liberal who likes NPR and the arts. But none of my high minded philosophy will mean anything if faced with a life-threatening situation. I ask for nothing more than to exercise my right to defend myself in the highly unlikely event that someone id trying to kill me. I'm not going for Batman here.

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Quote from: OpenOcean on March 01, 2015, 07:11:32 AM

I know this may sound really, really terrible... but this a good sign hahaha (I'm really sorry for those parties involved though, seriously). People (thieves in this case) are treating it like currency, straight up.

It's not good in any case... of course some nutjob is going to try to kill you over Bitcoin because it has purchasing power, but theres nothing positive to get from this.

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Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

I'm guessing you think the police should handle things. Cops are great at carefully analyzing a crime scene. They will photograph and tag your body, odds are they will even catch your killer. Luckily you will not be alive and don't have to worry about your concern of accidentally being shot. The police have a much worse record than CCW holders. About 11% of police shootings are wrongful and kill an innocent person. By comparison about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person.

Yeah, I can't argue that this isn't extremely fucked up. These two are just from the past month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-0uqFTBclo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhEY_NfXJU

Quote from: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

Ok, I'm delusional. So says the guy who thinks he can win a gunfight without a gun.

There are no winners to be found in a gun fight, only survivors. One comes away alive and a murderer, possibly with PTSD and/or serious physical injuries, the other dies. Both lose a great deal.

All participants in violence have already forfeited their humanity. You're not delusional, you're deluded. Others have caused this affliction in you and you are not to blame for it.

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Quote from: Beliathon on February 27, 2015, 09:46:42 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on February 27, 2015, 03:16:23 PM

Quote from: Beliathon on February 27, 2015, 02:04:33 PM

The way a person (ab)uses language ...

I had no idea I was abusing the language ...

You're living in a self-indulgent paranoid fantasy ...

Ok, I'm delusional. So says the guy who thinks he can win a gunfight without a gun. Roll Eyes

Maybe YOU don't need a gun where you live. When I lived in St. Louis my neighbor across the street was killed when shot through the neck at his front door. Another neighbor I didn't really know killed two car jackers and took one bullet in the process. My GF at the time faced 3 violent home invasions. They came to my house also but fled when they saw my gun. Another friend who ran a bike program was shot in the stomach by a 13yo.(On a dare!) In the 90's I heard gunshots all the time and there were places you could not even go. Fortunately where I live now I have less to worry about. Although people here are still killed all the time by armed criminals.

I'm guessing you think the police should handle things. Cops are great at carefully analyzing a crime scene. They will photograph and tag your body, odds are they will even catch your killer. Luckily you will not be alive and don't have to worry about your concern of accidentally being shot. The police have a much worse record than CCW holders. About 11% of police shootings are wrongful and kill an innocent person. By comparison about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person.

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I know this may sound really, really terrible... but this a good sign hahaha (I'm really sorry for those parties involved though, seriously). People (thieves in this case) are treating it like currency, straight up.

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Quote from: RodeoX on February 27, 2015, 03:16:23 PM

Quote from: Beliathon on February 27, 2015, 02:04:33 PM

The way a person (ab)uses language reveals a great deal about the way they think. That's my point.

I had no idea I was abusing the language by correctly structuring a sentence. But anyway, what would you do then? You see someone shooting up a mall or whatever, what response do you have? I suppose you could show them some statistics or tell them how you think America is mentally ill. Me, I will be in a position to end this. I hope I never have to put a bullet in some deranged psychopath but I would not hesitate to do so if needed. If you were there at the mall also you would give me anything and everything to save you. The only thing in the world that would matter to you is my gun.

You're living in a self-indulgent paranoid fantasy land if you think owning that gun is ever going to mean you get to play american hero and save a bunch of folks from a shooting spree. Statistically, this is so improbable that it's simply not going to happen. It's revealing that you would choose this example in your argument because the fact that you think this way about your gun is self-delusion. It's a false sense of security, a childish clinging to control over your life (and death) in a world in which that's nigh impossible. This is the problem with american gun mentality. "oh, I need this because I could get robbed or a burglar could come into my home!" but you'll notice these people never seem to know the burglary rate of their town, or any other relevant facts and statistics about gun ownership in the place they live.

It's a tool for which you have no relevant use, a tool you bought so you can create a certain identity for yourself. That gun is part of who you are. You are no different from suburban white high school nerds who get their mom to buy them a cheap replica sword at the county fair because they "need it". You don't need it. You're never going to need to fire it, and you know it. The sooner you admit this fact to yourself, the better.

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Quote from: Beliathon on February 27, 2015, 02:04:33 PM

The way a person (ab)uses language reveals a great deal about the way they think. That's my point.

I had no idea I was abusing the language by correctly structuring a sentence. But anyway, what would you do then? You see someone shooting up a mall or whatever, what response do you have? I suppose you could show them some statistics or tell them how you think America is mentally ill. Me, I will be in a position to end this. I hope I never have to put a bullet in some deranged psychopath but I would not hesitate to do so if needed. If you were there at the mall also you would give me anything and everything to save you. The only thing in the world that would matter to you is my gun.

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Quote from: leopard2 on February 27, 2015, 03:01:58 PM

Quote from: pitham1 on February 27, 2015, 11:14:13 AM

Quote from: leopard2 on February 26, 2015, 07:42:34 PM

there is a video, showing how an unarmed guy gets robbed with a simple knife

it could not be any clearer that a firearm would have been a gamechanger, resulting in a dead piece of scum and dry pants

BUT STILL the gunhaters come out and write horseshit, it is incredible Roll Eyes

Firearms held by both people... would have resulted in 2 dead bodies.

Holy cow, you can't argue with gunhaters Tongue

The attacker was armed with a knife, it is complete nonsense to assume that he would have owned/used a firearm just because the victim could legally have worn one

I don't think it works like that, in fact knives are easier to get than guns so the hurdle (both in obtaining the weapon, and the potential prison time) would have been much higher.

The attacker could legally and easily obtain the knife, while a gun is harder to get, and not legally, for most criminals. Here in Switzerland you can forget about owning a gun legally with a criminal record, same goes for US and most other places.

Recommendation. All gunhaters write a 20 page essay about what this saying means: Colt's guns inspired an old saying: "God created man, Sam Colt made them equal."

it means that guns do not guarantee you win in a conflict, but they will bring you to an equal level with an attacker. In the video above, the unarmed man was inferior to the attacker. EVEN IF BOTH HAD A GUN THEY WOULD AT LEAST BE ON THE SAME LEVEL.

Read more: Samuel Colt Biography (Inventor) http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/samuelcolt.html#ixzz3SyeOKa77

Nicely said! As i said earlier , guns do not kill people , it's better to have gun on both side

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Quote from: pitham1 on February 27, 2015, 11:14:13 AM

Quote from: leopard2 on February 26, 2015, 07:42:34 PM

there is a video, showing how an unarmed guy gets robbed with a simple knife

it could not be any clearer that a firearm would have been a gamechanger, resulting in a dead piece of scum and dry pants

BUT STILL the gunhaters come out and write horseshit, it is incredible Roll Eyes

Firearms held by both people... would have resulted in 2 dead bodies.

Holy cow, you can't argue with gunhaters Tongue

The attacker was armed with a knife, it is complete nonsense to assume that he would have owned/used a firearm just because the victim could legally have worn one

I don't think it works like that, in fact knives are easier to get than guns so the hurdle (both in obtaining the weapon, and the potential prison time) would have been much higher.

The attacker could legally and easily obtain the knife, while a gun is harder to get, and not legally, for most criminals. Here in Switzerland you can forget about owning a gun legally with a criminal record, same goes for US and most other places.

Recommendation. All gunhaters write a 20 page essay about what this saying means: Colt's guns inspired an old saying: "God created man, Sam Colt made them equal."

it means that guns do not guarantee you win in a conflict, but they will bring you to an equal level with an attacker. In the video above, the unarmed man was inferior to the attacker. EVEN IF BOTH HAD A GUN THEY WOULD AT LEAST BE ON THE SAME LEVEL.

Read more: Samuel Colt Biography (Inventor) http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/samuelcolt.html#ixzz3SyeOKa77

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Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on February 27, 2015, 02:07:42 PM

Not suprising. People get mugged for $, why not for BTC

Maybe because not everyone carries more than 1000$ around, However a trader might be carrying more and maybe forced to empty his bitcoin wallet.

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Not suprising. People get mugged for $, why not for BTC

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Quote from: RodeoX on February 27, 2015, 02:03:12 PM

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Quote from: RodeoX on February 27, 2015, 01:19:24 PM

So I wear a seat-belt and a gun just in case.

He wears, not carries, his gun, just like his seatbelt ladies and gentlemen. Just to be safe. Because they are both safety instruments that protect you. That's why it's the same. Get it?

Just as bullets and and kevlar vests are the same. Just as shields and swords are the same. Just as a wall and a battering ram are the same. Ignorance is strength.

I also sometimes carry a flashlight and always carry a first aid kit in my car. Oh and I very rarely wear my kevlar vest. I'm not sure what your arguing now? Equivocation on the word wear?

The way a person (ab)uses language reveals a great deal about the way they think. That's my point.

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Quote from: Beliathon on February 27, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on February 27, 2015, 01:19:24 PM

So I wear a seat-belt and a gun just in case.

He wears, not carries, his gun, just like his seatbelt ladies and gentlemen. Just to be safe. Because they are both safety instruments that protect you. That's why it's the same. Get it?

Just as bullets and and kevlar vests are the same. Just as shields and swords are the same. Just as a wall and a battering ram are the same. Ignorance is strength.

I also sometimes carry a flashlight and always carry a first aid kit in my car. Oh and I very rarely wear my kevlar vest. I'm not sure what your arguing now? Equivocation on the word wear? I hope you get into a debate and not a gunfight.

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Quote from: RodeoX on February 27, 2015, 01:19:24 PM

So I wear a seat-belt and a gun just in case.

He wears, not carries, his weapon, folks. That's important, because its for safety. Because they are both safety instruments that protect you. That's why it's the same. Get it? It all makes perfect sense.

Just as bullets and and kevlar vests are the same. Just as shields and swords are the same. Just as a wall and a battering ram are the same. Attacking and defending. Ignorance is strength. War is peace.

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