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Topic: NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual - page 2. (Read 2153 times)

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Did you call a transsexual person “he” or “she” when they preferred to be called “zhe?” According to a newly updated anti-discrimination law in New York City, you could be fined an eye-watering $250,000.

In the latest, astonishing act of draconian political correctness, the NYC Commission on Human Rights have updated a law on “Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression” to threaten staggering financial penalties against property owners who “misgender” employees or tenants.

Incidents that are deemed “wilful and malicious” will see property owners face up to $250,000 in fines, while standard violations of the law will result in a $125,000 fine. For small business owners, these sums are crippling.

It’s not as simple as referring to transmen “he” or transwomen as “she,” either. The legislation makes it clear that if an individual desires, property owners will have to make use of “zhe,” “hir” and any other preferred pronoun. From the updated legislation:

    The NYCHRL requires employers and covered entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification. Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles.

    Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir

Other violations of the law include refusing to allow individuals to use single-sex facilities such as bathrooms that are “consistent with their gender identity,” failing to provide employee health benefits for “gender-affirming care” and “imposing different uniforms or grooming standards based on sex or gender.”

Examples of such illegal behaviour include: “requiring female bartenders to wear makeup,” “Permitting only individuals who identify as women to wear jewellery or requiring only individuals who identify as male to have short hair,” and “permitting female but not male residents at a drug treatment facility to wear wigs and high heels.”

In other words, if a bar owner prevents male bartenders from wearing lipstick and heels, they’ll be breaking the law. They’ve now got a choice between potentially scaring off customers, and paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. Regardless of the establishment’s clientèle or aesthetic, every property owner will be forced to conform to the same standard.

This is the latest in what Spiked Online editor-in-chief Brendan O’Neill calls “The Crisis of Character” in the west, in which identities become grounded in subjective interpretation rather than objective reality. The state is now forcing society to recognise the subjective identities of individuals, regardless of how absurd or surreal they may seem. In New York City, recognising someone’s identity is no longer a matter of case-by-case common sense and courtesy. It’s zir way or the highway.


http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/27/nyc-will-fine-you-250000-for-misgendering-a-transsexual/




this is so ridiculous.. they want to create a third gender.. but absolutely not , it wont happen..
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Ridiculous.

I generally only use masculine or feminine pronouns because singular "they" (etc.) sounds stupid in some sentences, and the newly-invented pronouns also sound bad. I'm happy to use a person's choice of either "he" or "she", but not to mangle my English.
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I'm also curious how people should identify these zhehirs if they saw one.
Lol - grammar check doesn't recognize the word - maybe that's saying something as well.
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There are common sense rules and then are rules that are in the realm of science fiction. I can't believe this to be true. Do they really believe people to do this?
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Jesus f'ing Christ...I was hoping this "zhe,hir, etc..." crap would exist solely in the realm of the internet and these delusional kooks' minds but no, I should've know. This has gone way beyond out of hand and control, this reality is more and more like bizarro-land each day.

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It’s not as simple as referring to transmen “he” or transwomen as “she,” either. The legislation makes it clear that if an individual desires, property owners will have to make use of “zhe,” “hir” and any other preferred pronoun. From the updated legislation:

    The NYCHRL requires employers and covered entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification. Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles.

    Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir
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Zhe? Hir? Are these even words? When have they invented them? What I can say at least is that the grammar check here doesn't recognize these words. Might be something.
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What fresh hell is this? Where do they get these things? Who makes up such nonsense?
Only in the US will you see such craziness.
Hir? What the hell is that?
There are two genders. Male and female. And that's it.
Now all transgenders will go looking for people to see if they are saying hir and blir.
How is a person to know if someone is male or female?
Guys use makeup. Girls wear short hair and baseball caps.
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This is barbarian. Now you must think in yourself what 'is' the person which entered your shop..And say to workers to pay attention too. The best is to speak only 'you'
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that's terrible, and how the seller would know if transsexual enter his shop is he 'she' or 'he' or better is he a transsexual at all? It's the best simply to say 'you'...unfortunately the world goes mad...

Say "Hello!" Just smile. Keep the video surveillance rolling as proof just in case. Say "goodbye!"


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that's terrible, and how the seller would know if transsexual enter his shop is he 'she' or 'he' or better is he a transsexual at all? It's the best simply to say 'you'...unfortunately the world goes mad...
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Small businesses should just move out of NYC to somewhere more sane and hospitable. Stupid laws and regulations such as this one will be definitely be misused by the Sodomites, for the purpose of extortion and blackmail. Why risk your 10-year savings by doing business in the NYC?
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If it is truly NYC - or any other entity outside of a real flesh and blood man or woman - that takes you to court, require that the plaintiff appear and take the oath or affirmation and get on the stand and testify how you harmed it.

From http://voidjudgments.com/22reasons.htm:
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Before a court (judge) can proceed judicially, jurisdiction must be complete consisting of two opposing parties (not their attorneys - although attorneys can enter an appearance on behalf of a party, only the parties can testify and until the plaintiff testifies the court has no basis upon which to rule judicially), and the two halves of subject matter jurisdiction = the statutory or common law authority the action is brought under (the theory of indemnity) and the testimony of a competent fact witness regarding the injury (the cause of action). If there is a jurisdictional failing appearing on the face of the record, the matter is void, subject to vacation with damages, and can never be time barred.

See the court cases listed at the site, above.

If the plaintiff cannot appear and get on the stand, you win. In addition, if you do it right, you receive damages in the amount that the plaintiff would have demanded from you... or more.

If a live flesh and blood person happens to be the plaintiff, and gets on the stand, they better be ready to show how they were harmed or damaged, and how you did it with witnesses and evidence. It has to be a real harm or damage, not some fake thing that they say you hurt their emotions. They hurt their own emotions way more than you ever could. In fact, you didn't. It was them all the way. Let them prove it was you and not they themselves.

Smiley
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This is ridiculous! What happened to free speech?


Getting killed.


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This is ridiculous! What happened to free speech?
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I think phone numbers instead of names is an idea whose time will come too. This name and title stuff is desperately last century.
We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.
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I think phone numbers instead of names is an idea whose time will come too. This name and title stuff is desperately last century.
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Every single one of us should be referred to as 'it'. No possible offence and it gets the job done.
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Every single one of us should be referred to as 'it'. No possible offence and it gets the job done.
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Did you call a transsexual person “he” or “she” when they preferred to be called “zhe?” According to a newly updated anti-discrimination law in New York City, you could be fined an eye-watering $250,000.
It's ridiculous and the $250.000 fine is way to high.
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Just call him a faggot to avoid any misgendering.
Then you'll get the electric chair for it...
Well... Then I need diplomatic passport. Cheesy


Just wear a kufi cap. Much, much stronger repellent effect than a diplomatic passport. It's like kriptonite to the pink mafia.


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