Obama announces stronger action on U. S. power plants

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 01:31:27 PM

Quote from: shevon on August 04, 2015, 01:27:38 PM

That's all very nice, and I'm sure your enjoyed yourself.

Just as I am sure that your grandfather was one of the boys who yelled "Get a horse" at early motorists.

Ahhh for that comparison to work somebody like Henry Ford would of had to been roaming around the country tricking people into thinking horses caused polio while simultaneously trying to sell them an inferior expensive alternative.

Do you know why the car replaced the horse?

Because it worked and people wanted it.

Government didn't have to create mass ignorant hysteria by demonize pinhookers.

Shevon you need to accept the single solitary reality that is at the heart of your problem with this global warming nonsese...

...you've been tricked.

You've been scammed Fitzroy.

Swindled, ripped off, defrauded, deceived, conned, hustled, hosed, cheated, pwnd!

And you're happy about that which is the most perplexing part of all.

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Not only all that, but what we really need is hardened power distribution systems - hardened against solar flares and EMF attacks.

KriszDev

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Quote from: shevon on August 04, 2015, 01:27:38 PM

That's all very nice, and I'm sure your enjoyed yourself.

Just as I am sure that your grandfather was one of the boys who yelled "Get a horse" at early motorists.

Ahhh for that comparison to work somebody like Henry Ford would of had to been roaming around the country tricking people into thinking horses caused polio while simultaneously trying to sell them an inferior expensive alternative.

Do you know why the car replaced the horse?

Because it worked and people wanted it.

Government didn't have to create mass ignorant hysteria by demonize pinhookers.

Shevon you need to accept the single solitary reality that is at the heart of your problem with this global warming nonsese...

...you've been tricked.

You've been scammed Fitzroy.

Swindled, ripped off, defrauded, deceived, conned, hustled, hosed, cheated, pwnd!

And you're happy about that which is the most perplexing part of all.

shevon

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 01:26:49 PM

I've got just the thing, genuine miracle cream I bought from a travelling salesman.
"Come one, come all" he said. "Step right up!"
"This sounds too good to be true" I thought.
He said I looked like a smart young man.
"So is it a deal?" I inquired.
Two hours later he was gone, with 60 of my dollars.
But I had the miracle cream!

That's all very nice, and I'm sure your enjoyed yourself.

Just as I am sure that your grandfather was one of the boys who yelled "Get a horse" at early motorists.

KriszDev

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Quote from: shevon on August 04, 2015, 01:25:00 PM

I don't know. But I'm going to ask the guy from the solar panel company when he comes by on Thursday.

I've got just the thing, genuine miracle cream I bought from a travelling salesman.
"Come one, come all" he said. "Step right up!"
"This sounds too good to be true" I thought.
He said I looked like a smart young man.
"So is it a deal?" I inquired.
Two hours later he was gone, with 60 of my dollars.
But I had the miracle cream!

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 12:20:46 PM

Winters coming.How will the poor and people on fixed incomes afford the increased utility bills?

I don't know. But I'm going to ask the guy from the solar panel company when he comes by on Thursday.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:21:40 PM

I've never claimed the new regulations would cost pennies. Why do you guys keep lying about what I said?

Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 12:40:00 PM

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

So, you do not support these new proposals for regulation.

The program for utility assistance for low income households cost pennies out of a middle class paycheck, according to you. The "pennies" figure accounts for tax-payer subsidies, it does not also include the higher rates paying customers are charged to offset the utility assistance.

The proposed regulations would increase the cost of providing electricity for utility providers, including those in the San Antonio area. That cost will be passed onto the paying customer. There have not been any links or data presented that would show what these increases would be, and how those on utility assistance would be affected.

You provided a "pennies" narrative, meant to minimize the true cost impact of these proposed regulations.

You still have not provided a link to support a claim that these proposed regulations will positively affect AGW.

Please let us know how you are able to minimize your carbon footprint in San Antonio, including not running your AC this summer. I would like to hopefully learn something from you in this thread.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:20:41 PM

So you are saying that given the lack of a link to support these proposed regulations will positively affect AGW, you do not support these new proposals, whether 400 or 4,000,000 pennies, per tax-payer and/or utility provider customer.

I've never claimed the new regulations would cost pennies. Why do you guys keep lying about what I said?

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:19:24 PM

Where have I ever expressed support for these new regulations in this thread?

So you are saying that given the lack of a link to support these proposed regulations will positively affect AGW, you do not support these new proposals, whether 400 or 4,000,000 pennies, per tax-payer and/or utility provider customer.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:17:08 PM

Ahh, You are using tax-payer subsidies as the qualifier for your "pennies out of the paycheck". This does not include the higher rates paying customers pay that the utility provider levies to offset all of the subsidized utility bills for the poor.

So, if these proposed regulations are passed, what will be the tax-payer subsidies per tax-payer and then what will the utility provider charge each paying customer to offset all of the subsidized utility bills? Will this be 400 pennies?

Also, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

Where have I ever expressed support for these new regulations in this thread?

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Is the fossil fuel industry paying you directly? Or, did they promise you something shiny? A pie chart, some anecdotal nonsense, and more denying. I'd argue science with you deniers, but you've forsaken science for political affiliation and/or hatred of the black man in the white house who's smarter than you.

It's embarrassing, pathetic, and small minded.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:16:01 PM

The LIHEAP budget (the program which provides utility assistance to the poor) was $3.4 Billion in 2014. There are 122 million taxpayers. Most of those tax payers are paid twice a month, 12 months a year. 2.4 billion divided by 122 million divided by 24 = $1.16.

So I'll admit I was wrong on one thing. It costs taxpayers roughly a dollar per paycheck. Even if utility costs triple as conservatives have cited earlier in the thread, the costs per taxpayer would still be less than $4.

Ahh, You are using tax-payer subsidies as the qualifier for your "pennies out of the paycheck". This does not include the higher rates paying customers pay that the utility provider levies to offset all of the subsidized utility bills for the poor.

So, if these proposed regulations are passed, what will be the tax-payer subsidies per tax-payer and then what will the utility provider charge each paying customer to offset all of the subsidized utility bills? Will this be 400 pennies?

Also, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:15:01 PM

Right. So, we are back to the pennies out of the paycheck. Where is the link for this? Has your utility company down in San Antonio been able to verify that with these proposed regulations, your utility bill will only be rising by pennies? Do you have a link for that?

Again, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

The LIHEAP budget (the program which provides utility assistance to the poor) was $3.4 Billion in 2014. There are 122 million taxpayers. Most of those tax payers are paid twice a month, 12 months a year. 2.4 billion divided by 122 million divided by 24 = $1.16.

So I'll admit I was wrong on one thing. It costs taxpayers roughly a dollar per paycheck. Even if utility costs triple as conservatives have cited earlier in the thread, the costs per taxpayer would still be less than $4.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:12:15 PM

What is the program in question? Are we talking about the new regulations? No. We are talking about the fuel and utility subsides to the poor. Those account for pennies out of your paycheck.

Right. So, we are back to the pennies out of the paycheck. Where is the link for this? Has your utility company down in San Antonio been able to verify that with these proposed regulations, your utility bill will only be rising by pennies? Do you have a link for that?

Again, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:06:35 PM

Oh, I did. The post by Peterson33 was in reference to the tax burden on the middle class to fund this program to which you replied this would be pennies out of the middle class paycheck.

I want to believe this theory of pennies out of the paycheck. Do you have a link? Has your utility company been able to verify an increase of "pennies". If so, how many pennies?

Additionally, can you provide a link that can point to how AGW would be positively affected by this program?

TIA!

What is the program in question? Are we talking about the new regulations? No. We are talking about the fuel and utility subsides to the poor. Those account for pennies out of your paycheck.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:05:11 PM

You clearly don't get what I was posting about. Perhaps you should read my post again and also read the post I was responding to.

Oh, I did. The post by Peterson33 was in reference to the tax burden on the middle class to fund this program to which you replied this would be pennies out of the middle class paycheck.

I want to believe this theory of pennies out of the paycheck. Do you have a link? Has your utility company been able to verify an increase of "pennies". If so, how many pennies?

Additionally, can you provide a link that can point to how AGW would be positively affected by this program?

TIA!

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 12:50:21 PM

Can you provide a link for this?
I want to believe this too. Will your higher AC cost usage in San Antonio be just extra pennies per month? Has your utility provider confirmed this?

You clearly don't get what I was posting about. Perhaps you should read my post again and also read the post I was responding to.

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I may have to step up my getting off the grid plans.

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Quote from: redandblack on August 04, 2015, 12:55:19 PM

Yes, it is about emission standards. They've gone up and up over the years, but electrostatic scrubber technology developed for coal-burning electricity plants in our cities have kept up and today it is difficult to find any city in the country with truly polluted air. Where you do find it, it's still usually due to inversion layers you find in natural "bowls" below mountain ranges, like in Phoenix and Los Angeles.

And, yes, there are severe pollution problems in some parts of China and India. China and India need to do something constructive to battle their own pollution problems, but how does Obama's campaign to bankrupt the coal industry and jack up utility rates for Americans help pollution problems in China and India?! The United Nations may love this big crackdown, but American utility ratepayers definitely will NOT....

In a way, Obama doing this will ensure a new supply of conservatives. Nothing makes a working mom vote republican faster than writing out a check for electricity that is twice what she was paying per month before especially when she was barely scraping by before. Little Johnny is gonna have to go to Disneyworld some other time.

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The Supreme Court just finished slapping the crap out of Barack Obama with his last set of Executive Orders on the power plants. They realized in their decision should Barack Obama have his way that the nation would realize a short fall of energy. As many of you know, I am in the Energy Business. The last two winters straight the United States BARELY avoided black outs during the heavy winter storms. Our energy grid was at its absolute max with no more coal plants to bring online since Barack Obama forced the closure of so many already. If this happens thousands will die a cold lonely death.

This is pure Liberal idiocy.

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Quote from: morin on August 04, 2015, 12:58:40 PM

El Paso Electric just announced a large rate hike. How high is something they haven't said yet.

I used to live in El Paso a long time ago, and even then they had the highest electricity rates in the State of Texas because El Paso was a part of the network that got its power from that gigantic nuclear power plant, Palo Verde, in Phoenix.

Nuke power plants are incredibly expensive, and the "pollution" possibilities? Ask people who used to live in Fukushima, Japan, or in Chernobyl, Ukraine.... They cost a fortune to build, they cost a fortune to operate, they cost a fortune to maintain, and, when it's finally time to decommission the damned things, they cost another bloody fortune to get rid of....

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