Obama has fulfilled his promises to fix the economy - page 2.

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Quote from: zolace on August 22, 2014, 07:36:06 AM

Conservative should stop denying the truth .

The economy hasn't been fixed. Why are interest rates still being held at zero and why is the Fed still pumping out billions of dollars every month? It is more like the problems have been hidden behind a curtain so that nobody can see them.

"What's that growling noise behind the curtain?"
"Oh, nothing. Don't worry. It won't eat you."

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Quote from: zolace on August 22, 2014, 08:42:07 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 08:23:36 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 22, 2014, 08:12:14 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 08:08:10 AM

What I observe is that the economic recovery is being felt unevenly across the country. Upticks in employment figures don't necessarily represent job growth in Kansas, for example - not if Sam Brownback has anything to say about it. Add a few jobs, cut a few jobs but arbitrarily omit them from reported figures, cut benefits for the needy, employ regressive taxation strategies...

Some people are seeing things as better, some people just can't catch a break...

overall it's an improvement and, most importantly, a stabilization. otherwise, remember the carnage 4 years ago? layoffs everywhere, companies filing for bankrupcy left and right, houses foreclosed like dominos, talks of governments at various levels going bankrupt, discussion of inviting the chinese in to bail the US out, etc.
it was chaotic and unsettling.

now, the worst thing you can say is, "but but i'd like to see a little more improvement here, maybe there as well".

Yeah I've been in finance since '08, my world has improved immeasurably in that time. But ... I'm in Kansas. Jobs growth is so stagnantas to be putrid, and a lot of people are losing much-needed benefits. The median income a little higher, but the number of folks officially in poverty is more pronouncedly up.

i lived in kansas city during '12 and '13. and from what i see, the economy there did not do bad. it didn't recover vigorously, but it was very steadily.
and keep in mind, conservatives are the one that want to take unemployment benefits away

Kansas City isn't really representative of the rest of the state though. This year, KCK and KCMO are seeing pretty similar job growth. But Kansas, with its tax cuts and Brownback performing his ultra conservative experiment, is gaining jobs at an overall rate of about one third what Missouri is doing. Not that Missouri is exactly a liberal paradise, but having a Democrat governor goes a long way toward keeping things from completely going off the rails.

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Quote from: spazzdla on August 22, 2014, 08:49:22 AM

You should read about Rome and what happend when they started devaluing their coins.. Money printing has only ended one way, I don't know why you would expect anything different.

Having free bread and free gladiator shows were good during the downfall of Rome.

Today, we also enjoy much free entertainment and services at a rather low cost compare to the benefit we are getting.

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You should read about Rome and what happend when they started devaluing their coins.. Money printing has only ended one way, I don't know why you would expect anything different.

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Quote from: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 08:23:36 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 22, 2014, 08:12:14 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 08:08:10 AM

What I observe is that the economic recovery is being felt unevenly across the country. Upticks in employment figures don't necessarily represent job growth in Kansas, for example - not if Sam Brownback has anything to say about it. Add a few jobs, cut a few jobs but arbitrarily omit them from reported figures, cut benefits for the needy, employ regressive taxation strategies...

Some people are seeing things as better, some people just can't catch a break...

overall it's an improvement and, most importantly, a stabilization. otherwise, remember the carnage 4 years ago? layoffs everywhere, companies filing for bankrupcy left and right, houses foreclosed like dominos, talks of governments at various levels going bankrupt, discussion of inviting the chinese in to bail the US out, etc.
it was chaotic and unsettling.

now, the worst thing you can say is, "but but i'd like to see a little more improvement here, maybe there as well".

Yeah I've been in finance since '08, my world has improved immeasurably in that time. But ... I'm in Kansas. Jobs growth is so stagnantas to be putrid, and a lot of people are losing much-needed benefits. The median income a little higher, but the number of folks officially in poverty is more pronouncedly up.

i lived in kansas city during '12 and '13. and from what i see, the economy there did not do bad. it didn't recover vigorously, but it was very steadily.
and keep in mind, conservatives are the one that want to take unemployment benefits away

umair127

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Again, I blame it on state politics. But it's not just here and it's not just income tax or SNAP. States where the Medicaid expansion was rejected are seeing unfortunate outcomes regarding the cost of health care, but that doesn’t seem to be the case in places where the expansion took place.

Well, let me rephrase. I blame it on unchecked conservatism.

zolace

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as a president, he has done his job, stabilizing the economy and keeping it climbing upward slowly and steadily. that's fixing.
it's not his job to make the economy shoot back to the peak seen prior to the recession. that's not fixing.

a good analogy would be an ER surgeon's job stops at bringing a patient from critical condition back to stable. it's none else but the patient's job to rehab and recover himself back to his athletic condition.

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Quote from: zolace on August 22, 2014, 08:12:14 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 08:08:10 AM

What I observe is that the economic recovery is being felt unevenly across the country. Upticks in employment figures don't necessarily represent job growth in Kansas, for example - not if Sam Brownback has anything to say about it. Add a few jobs, cut a few jobs but arbitrarily omit them from reported figures, cut benefits for the needy, employ regressive taxation strategies...

Some people are seeing things as better, some people just can't catch a break...

overall it's an improvement and, most importantly, a stabilization. otherwise, remember the carnage 4 years ago? layoffs everywhere, companies filing for bankrupcy left and right, houses foreclosed like dominos, talks of governments at various levels going bankrupt, discussion of inviting the chinese in to bail the US out, etc.
it was chaotic and unsettling.

now, the worst thing you can say is, "but but i'd like to see a little more improvement here, maybe there as well".

Yeah I've been in finance since '08, my world has improved immeasurably in that time. But ... I'm in Kansas. Jobs growth is so stagnantas to be putrid, and a lot of people are losing much-needed benefits. The median income a little higher, but the number of folks officially in poverty is more pronouncedly up.

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Quote from: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 08:08:10 AM

What I observe is that the economic recovery is being felt unevenly across the country. Upticks in employment figures don't necessarily represent job growth in Kansas, for example - not if Sam Brownback has anything to say about it. Add a few jobs, cut a few jobs but arbitrarily omit them from reported figures, cut benefits for the needy, employ regressive taxation strategies...

Some people are seeing things as better, some people just can't catch a break...

overall it's an improvement and, most importantly, a stabilization. otherwise, remember the carnage 4 years ago? layoffs everywhere, companies filing for bankrupcy left and right, houses foreclosed like dominos, talks of governments at various levels going bankrupt, discussion of inviting the chinese in to bail the US out, etc.
it was chaotic and unsettling.

now, the worst thing you can say is, "but but i'd like to see a little more improvement here, maybe there as well".

umair127

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What I observe is that the economic recovery is being felt unevenly across the country. Upticks in employment figures don't necessarily represent job growth in Kansas, for example - not if Sam Brownback has anything to say about it. Add a few jobs, cut a few jobs but arbitrarily omit them from reported figures, cut benefits for the needy, employ regressive taxation strategies...

Some people are seeing things as better, some people just can't catch a break...

zolace

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Conservative should stop denying the truth .

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