Topic: Obligatory I'm not dead or running post - page 2. (Read 40524 times)

First, your examples are complete nonsense. You're using political leaders as examples. Bitcoin is not a country it's a payment processing system that's regulated by countries.

Second, even if you believe Bitcoin is a tiny economy just like government fiat. It's so small in comparison it's like a flea on an elephants ass. Also, because of its size you can't compare Bitcoin to fiat economies unless you adjust percentages based on the size of the money supply, volume and velocity of the economy. The circulation of Bitcoin compared to say the US Dollar is so small that some individual banks dealing with dollars handle more transactions in a day than happen in Bitcoinland in a month.

Finally, if you adjust based on the above criterion you realize that Bitcoinland is a den of thieves in comparison. Clearly 7-10% of all Bitcoins in existence over a short 4 year period have been stolen. Remember, that's a 4 year period not the several hundred years that a single countries fiat has existed.

Sell it on the road homie. John is still one in a thousand (not one in a million because Bitcoinland isn't that large) and should be praised for returning the funds even if he had no personal crises happening.

Yea grow up Augusto! I'm not sticking up for him, but the money/BTC was never moved or touched. He has emergency hospital issue, gives you no right to ask him questions like that....

Again? mannn... what part of "RL issues" and "The hospital one was kinda correct" did you miss?

You can't expect more detail on this subject on a public forum.

Right... So? Let's try again: what exactly kept you away from this forum while holding people's money? Which part of this crucial question you did not understand? Some people are not interested about your supposedly personal investments, but why you just vanished.

...and yes! It is your fault, indeed. You assumed certain duties as escrow agent. In the real world you would have to pay heavy interest for what you did here.

Sounds like bitcoinland is more real than "real life". Your "real life" sounds like a sterilised utopia where stupidity doesn't hurt. Your real life has such wonderful things like Bernie Madoff, Obama, W. Bush, Janet Yellen, Stalin, Justin Bieber, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, TheIRS, Piers Morgan, Kim Jong-un, Courtney Love, Billary Clinton, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin, and John Boehner. I've lost a whopping 3% of my BTC to scammers. I've lost 30% of my USD to scammers. The difference is, I had a option who I opened myself up to being scammed by with BTC. In "real life" my options are get scammed, or go to jail. I'll take bitcoinland.

+1 hope he recovers fully and comes back strong. Agree the name was ok... should have kept it. I liked the double entendre that he didn't get. 

In defense of John K, I told you guys all, he is not the type of person to just disappear with anyone else's coins (much less his own invested in others), unless something bad happened to him in real life / offline.

It is completely understandable that he would not be using anyone else to escrow what he is escrowing (and then doubling the fee in the process.)

There are a few of us on this forum (at least two escrow list threads I am aware of being maintained.)

Welcome back John. I'm glad you're okay.

But as John saying any one can check addresses all the time coins was in and never touch during this time then why these stopped things

there is coincidence with the new coinroll.it thread appearing too !

PS: If you or anyone checks the addresses involved, they'll notice that the funds are never moved nor touched during my hiatus. TBH, if I really wanted to do anything malignant, I wouldn't do it using the 100 or so BTC's remaining with me when I was on hiatus. My personal BTC funds amount to far more than that, and I have been in control in a lot more of other users' funds before that as I averaged about 2-3k BTC that belonged with others before that. It simply doesn't make sense for me to abscond with that meagre amount when I could theoretically run with more. My personal investments with some parties in this forums amount to more than that, for example, and my permanent departure would cost me more.

Well, this would be my last explanation/attempt to defend myself anyway. It is my fault for disappearing without leaving a message for almost 3 months and I'm not going to dodge that.
*John shuts down computer and goes back to sleep*

Upstanding for vanish for 3 months with other's people money and then return without any meaningful evidence to support it claims?

LoL

What a coincidence this return soon after the 2014 lowest price!

It looks like someone played with other's people money and now found a chance to recoup the loss...

I can tell you all the difference between real life and Bitcoinland. In real life a powerful entity like a government presides over insurance and business with rules and has the might to enforce those rules. In Bitcoinland libertarian fantasy elves believe they can give millions of dollars to complete strangers and have them be honest without any enforcement might or insurance.

Does Neo & Bee ring any bells for anyone? Lots of people knew who good ol Danny was. How about Trendon Shavers? There's a picture with some of the key players in Bitcoinland sitting around a table in Vegas talking with Trendon in person long before he fucked everyone. Now about Nefario? He was a mod here. GLBSE ring any bells?

In Bitcoinland when people get fucked over the libertarian fantasy elves scurry into the forest while real life law enforcement is contacted to solve the issue. The problem is that law enforcement has a problem finding jurisdiction that covers forest elves.

When someone with a real conscience like John the Dong (sorry John I like your old name better lol) decides to be upstanding even when faced with a personal crisis you people still want to bitch. I applaude you John for being the upstanding person Bitcoin needs more of in-mass. Maybe you can help lead the other elves out of the forest and into the light.

This I agree with.  When you are holding someone else's money, it IS real life.  If you are going to be responsible for someone else's money, then you need to be responsible with other people's money.


It is good that he returned and paid.  Clearly he's not a thief or scammer.  However, there are other escrow providers here that supply contact information so they can be reached even if bitcointalk.org is offline, and they can be held responsible for timely and proper handling of the funds they are holding.

Still no excuse. A simple solution might be to have a third party that witnesses the escrows in case the primary escrow holder disappears for 3 months. That third party could also hold collateral of the primary escrow, so he could step in and release escrow if required.

But some time you have to face many things which came suddenly and you have no option to avoid them then need time to settle all these first

Please explain how bitcoin and real life are somehow entirely separate.

I'm very happy John paid, but there is no excuse for how this was handled. Better escrow is needed in bitcoin land (as opposed to real life).

Good to see the ghost has reappeared and paid out, good to see you even if I don't really know you.

He got into some personal shit dude. Real life takes priority sometimes. People are paid and life is good. Don't make something out of it that isn't there.

tl;dr  STFU

The last drama is that you disappeared with a large quantity of money and did not left any contact to let anyone know what was going on. That means, you just hold money for a period of time that was not yours and did not explained up to now why you did that. A message signed with PGP means nothing at this point and just look one more distraction of the real issue: why did you hold the money for so long?