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Quote from: cryptoWODL on December 27, 2023, 10:56:41 AM

Australia Women vs India Women

Australia Women's team has toured India to play Test Series ODI Series and T20I Series against them.Only one Test match was played between Australia Women's team and India Women's team in which India Women's team miserably defeated Australia Women's team.

The first match of the ODI series between Australia Women's team and India Women's team is going to be played from tomorrow.Both the teams will face each other in three matches in this ODI series.
They will even play three T20 matches against each other.

Can they beat Australia Women in their first ODI match the way India Women beat Australia Women in their only Test match?

India women is favourite to win this series, because of home conditions benefits and also best team, in one of test match India women won by 8 wickets, a huge victory against Australia women. Australia women is also good team and bast bastem like Tahlia McGrath who played aggressive cricket. India women have best bastmen line like Deepti Sharma and Smriti Mandhana who played very well in test match against Australia women and won this match easily for india women.

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Australia Women vs India Women

Australia Women's team has toured India to play Test Series ODI Series and T20I Series against them.Only one Test match was played between Australia Women's team and India Women's team in which India Women's team miserably defeated Australia Women's team.

The first match of the ODI series between Australia Women's team and India Women's team is going to be played from tomorrow.Both the teams will face each other in three matches in this ODI series.
They will even play three T20 matches against each other.

Can they beat Australia Women in their first ODI match the way India Women beat Australia Women in their only Test match?

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on December 27, 2023, 05:55:30 AM

Here I want to say if anyone is not talking about this we have just one reason which is we all know mostly adopted players are coming from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka so they are having some benefit just because of this no one talking about this all and also want to talk about this all their influence is good and Australia and England are feeling no problems from this as well because this is not creating any threat to them as well even now England is also had many players from subcontinent origin with their local youths are not more interested in this game, so things are going out of their control as well.

Most chances we will not have any changes in these rules but due to Olympics they can face something but still this all will be gone as it's currently going, but any conflict of interest can create any change which is also possible due to internal politics of this all organization.

The case with England and Australia is different. Players like Adil Rashid, Usman Khawaja and Ben Stokes have citizenship of these respective countries and they moved to these countries even before they started playing cricket. On the other hand, the case with teams like United Arab Emirates and United States is different. No one representing these teams hold citizenship of these respective countries and many of them are temporary migrants who will go back to India or Pakistan once their employment is over.

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Quote from: Compromise me on December 26, 2023, 11:57:55 AM

Quote from: HelliumZ on December 25, 2023, 05:33:44 PM

Afghanistan 2023 ODI World Cup has been the biggest surprise as they have defeated two tough opponents like England and Pakistan. Moreover, Afghanistan's top order batsmen performed well as usual and lower order batsmen especially Rashid khan, Mujeeb Ur Rahman could bowl well as well as bat fairly well. That's why Afghanistan's score is much higher than other teams. Moreover, most of the players of Afghanistan participate in Big Bash, IPL, PSL, Carribbean League, County League at various times. That's why they have some kind of experience working inside their batting and bowling which makes Afghanistan perform like an experienced team.

Afghanistan International team performance is excellent towards World cup 2023. When Rashid Khan became the part of Afghanistan team , Afghanistan International cricket team became a strong team. Rashid is best bowler whole the World. In the history, Afghanistan did not gave tough time to Pakistani team but now at that time Afghanistan International cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani cricket team. Pakistani team should work on their weaknesses.

No one having any doubt about Afghanistan's performance in white-ball formats with their top quality spinners and hard hitting batsmen giving their best and having new highs of their performance specially last ODI world cup which held in India they achieve few historic successes and now having more chances for giving their best in coming years but suddenly as we have news from them ban of players from franchise leagues can create problems, but these franchises are giving enough amounts which can bring changes in players life so mostly they will prefer them on national team.

We have nearly 10 leagues which are having regularly matches in every season and many more coming, so this could be easy for these players to join and give their best for the huge amounts and Afghanistan Board needs to be realistic and also needs to sit and talk with their players about this all before they have downfall like West Indies in near future.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 26, 2023, 05:47:35 AM

I don’t see why ICC will change these rules because for them natives player’s are not that important having more teams is and currently I don’t even remember reading any major country raising any objections on this rule. Lastly this rule can only be changed if one of the big 4 demands it be changed but until then I highly doubt that ICC will ever change this rule.

Here I want to say if anyone is not talking about this we have just one reason which is we all know mostly adopted players are coming from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka so they are having some benefit just because of this no one talking about this all and also want to talk about this all their influence is good and Australia and England are feeling no problems from this as well because this is not creating any threat to them as well even now England is also had many players from subcontinent origin with their local youths are not more interested in this game, so things are going out of their control as well.

Most chances we will not have any changes in these rules but due to Olympics they can face something but still this all will be gone as it's currently going, but any conflict of interest can create any change which is also possible due to internal politics of this all organization.

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Quote from: Compromise me on December 26, 2023, 11:57:55 AM

Afghanistan International team performance is excellent towards World cup 2023. When Rashid Khan became the part of Afghanistan team , Afghanistan International cricket team became a strong team. Rashid is best bowler whole the World. In the history, Afghanistan did not gave tough time to Pakistani team but now at that time Afghanistan International cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani cricket team. Pakistani team should work on their weaknesses.

So today is the Second Tour match of the Afghanistan and United Arab Emirates. By the way Afghanistan has a good record as compare to United Arab Emirates. We have seen how Afghanistan performed in the first tour match. And Afghanistan's bowling was excellent. Yamin Ahmadzai collected 5 wickets this was a big achievement. So today I think again Afghanistan will perform well and will win todays tour match again. After these tour matches they have 3 T20I matches series and I hope that Afghanistan will also perform well in that series. So let's see what will happen in today's match.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 26, 2023, 05:47:35 AM

@Sithara007 I don’t see why ICC will change these rules because for them natives player’s are not that important having more teams is and currently I don’t even remember reading any major country raising any objections on this rule. Lastly this rule can only be changed if one of the big 4 demands it be changed but until then I highly doubt that ICC will ever change this rule.

It's not like everyone is happy with the eligibility criteria. Teams such as Nepal, Papua New Guinea and Namibia have complained about it. But they have limited say in matters of ICC, as the associate representatives are also BCCI proxies. ICC wants to give a picture that cricket is being played across 100+ countries. But in reality only 30-40 countries have native players in their squads, and the vast majority of them are in Africa. Most of the European, GCC and American teams are entirely comprised of foreigners.

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Quote from: Compromise me on December 26, 2023, 11:57:55 AM

Afghanistan International team performance is excellent towards World cup 2023. When Rashid Khan became the part of Afghanistan team , Afghanistan International cricket team became a strong team. Rashid is best bowler whole the World. In the history, Afghanistan did not gave tough time to Pakistani team but now at that time Afghanistan International cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani cricket team. Pakistani team should work on their weaknesses.

As I have recently mentioned that Afghanistan is a team which can beat any team with their excellence bowling attack. As in the less time they have made their achievement towards their way to success, they also have been made good batsmen and their team consisting of their top batsmen as we have recently watch their matches at the World Cup as they changed a lot from their previous performance which is better for their moral.

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Quote from: Compromise me on December 26, 2023, 11:57:55 AM

Quote from: HelliumZ on December 25, 2023, 05:33:44 PM

Afghanistan 2023 ODI World Cup has been the biggest surprise as they have defeated two tough opponents like England and Pakistan. Moreover, Afghanistan's top order batsmen performed well as usual and lower order batsmen especially Rashid khan, Mujeeb Ur Rahman could bowl well as well as bat fairly well. That's why Afghanistan's score is much higher than other teams. Moreover, most of the players of Afghanistan participate in Big Bash, IPL, PSL, Carribbean League, County League at various times. That's why they have some kind of experience working inside their batting and bowling which makes Afghanistan perform like an experienced team.

Afghanistan International team performance is excellent towards World cup 2023. When Rashid Khan became the part of Afghanistan team , Afghanistan International cricket team became a strong team. Rashid is best bowler whole the World. In the history, Afghanistan did not gave tough time to Pakistani team but now at that time Afghanistan International cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani cricket team. Pakistani team should work on their weaknesses.

The Afghanistan squad is now quite strong. The squad has a lot of talented players. And these players perform regularly in various franchise leagues. They have become more experienced as they perform in franchise leagues. This is why Afghanistan was able to beat big teams like England and Pakistan on big stages like World Cup. Afghanistan also performed well against Australia. Unfortunately they were defeated in this match. Afghanistan players have proved that they are capable of challenging any big team now. Hopefully we will see better gameplay from Afghanistan in the future.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on December 25, 2023, 05:33:44 PM

Afghanistan 2023 ODI World Cup has been the biggest surprise as they have defeated two tough opponents like England and Pakistan. Moreover, Afghanistan's top order batsmen performed well as usual and lower order batsmen especially Rashid khan, Mujeeb Ur Rahman could bowl well as well as bat fairly well. That's why Afghanistan's score is much higher than other teams. Moreover, most of the players of Afghanistan participate in Big Bash, IPL, PSL, Carribbean League, County League at various times. That's why they have some kind of experience working inside their batting and bowling which makes Afghanistan perform like an experienced team.

Afghanistan International team performance is excellent towards World cup 2023. When Rashid Khan became the part of Afghanistan team , Afghanistan International cricket team became a strong team. Rashid is best bowler whole the World. In the history, Afghanistan did not gave tough time to Pakistani team but now at that time Afghanistan International cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani cricket team. Pakistani team should work on their weaknesses.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2023, 05:36:58 AM

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That is also a reason why the problem of playing a lot of foreign players is never going to be fixed because a lot of teams that are very close to the ICC and also bring the ICC a good amount of money have a lot of players that are foreigners. They are basically playing whoever they want. Maybe at first they thought it would be actually an expansion of the game. But now we can see that it is not working. But even though it is not working ICC is actually not going to do anything because as you said those teams are actually the ‘blue eyed man’.

Exactly. Current eligibility laws for international cricket are ridiculous and exists in no other sport. As of now, it is possible to create a "national" team from 11 foreign players. And right now, almost two-thirds of all the member nations of ICC have "national" teams entirely comprised of foreigners. And this stupid eligibility rules were tailor made to help teams like the United Arab Emirates. If only natives are allowed to participate in international matches, then the GCC nations such as UAE and Oman will not have a national team.

@Sithara007 I don’t see why ICC will change these rules because for them natives player’s are not that important having more teams is and currently I don’t even remember reading any major country raising any objections on this rule. Lastly this rule can only be changed if one of the big 4 demands it be changed but until then I highly doubt that ICC will ever change this rule.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2023, 05:36:58 AM

Quote from: DanWalker on December 26, 2023, 04:34:10 AM

That is also a reason why the problem of playing a lot of foreign players is never going to be fixed because a lot of teams that are very close to the ICC and also bring the ICC a good amount of money have a lot of players that are foreigners. They are basically playing whoever they want. Maybe at first they thought it would be actually an expansion of the game. But now we can see that it is not working. But even though it is not working ICC is actually not going to do anything because as you said those teams are actually the ‘blue eyed man’.

Exactly. Current eligibility laws for international cricket are ridiculous and exists in no other sport. As of now, it is possible to create a "national" team from 11 foreign players. And right now, almost two-thirds of all the member nations of ICC have "national" teams entirely comprised of foreigners. And this stupid eligibility rules were tailor made to help teams like the United Arab Emirates. If only natives are allowed to participate in international matches, then the GCC nations such as UAE and Oman will not have a national team.

If anyone thought that this was not going to happen they are just dumb. India is obviously going to make some problems for Pakistan, and just because they have differences in politics and nothing else if I am not wrong. People in general are not that bad, to be honest. Of course, there are going to be bad apples. There is always a far right and a far left. But I also believe that in general people don't care about the political problem that much. Players also don't have any problem with each other as well. It is just the politicians and the media which are also controlled by the politicians.

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Quote from: DanWalker on December 26, 2023, 04:34:10 AM

That is also a reason why the problem of playing a lot of foreign players is never going to be fixed because a lot of teams that are very close to the ICC and also bring the ICC a good amount of money have a lot of players that are foreigners. They are basically playing whoever they want. Maybe at first they thought it would be actually an expansion of the game. But now we can see that it is not working. But even though it is not working ICC is actually not going to do anything because as you said those teams are actually the ‘blue eyed man’.

Exactly. Current eligibility laws for international cricket are ridiculous and exists in no other sport. As of now, it is possible to create a "national" team from 11 foreign players. And right now, almost two-thirds of all the member nations of ICC have "national" teams entirely comprised of foreigners. And this stupid eligibility rules were tailor made to help teams like the United Arab Emirates. If only natives are allowed to participate in international matches, then the GCC nations such as UAE and Oman will not have a national team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2023, 12:22:41 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on December 25, 2023, 11:56:03 PM

I have to agree with this all but now as we are heading for the professionalism in this game and franchise specially these Arabs are investing look like moral or dignity could be stayed in only books and no one will care about this all because money is going to change things, and surely we are going to this way with no one can stop this all as we all know checking how SPL is changing the way in soccer even they are currently able to bring old players but still their money is creating changes, and they are doing this all, so things like these will happen in cricket as well.

ICC is just a puppet organization which is having no worth and weak boards will also not able to survive just few strong enough boards will be survived and able to compete with this, all others have to be gone down and stay in dark age if ICC not able to bring any solid policy for this all.

This was bound to happen at some point. At present, Indian market is contributing to around 80% of the media rights revenue for the ICC. And countries such as United Arab Emirates are important, because it is where a lot of illicit money from India flows into. Considerable number of Indians, from all political ideologies have secret bank accounts and other assets in the UAE. On top of that, the headquarters of ICC is also located in that country. And this is the reason why UAE has become the blue eyed boys of the ICC, and a lower priority is given to teams with native players.

That is also a reason why the problem of playing a lot of foreign players is never going to be fixed because a lot of teams that are very close to the ICC and also bring the ICC a good amount of money have a lot of players that are foreigners. They are basically playing whoever they want. Maybe at first they thought it would be actually an expansion of the game. But now we can see that it is not working. But even though it is not working ICC is actually not going to do anything because as you said those teams are actually the ‘blue eyed man’.

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Quote from: wiss19 on December 25, 2023, 11:56:03 PM

I have to agree with this all but now as we are heading for the professionalism in this game and franchise specially these Arabs are investing look like moral or dignity could be stayed in only books and no one will care about this all because money is going to change things, and surely we are going to this way with no one can stop this all as we all know checking how SPL is changing the way in soccer even they are currently able to bring old players but still their money is creating changes, and they are doing this all, so things like these will happen in cricket as well.

ICC is just a puppet organization which is having no worth and weak boards will also not able to survive just few strong enough boards will be survived and able to compete with this, all others have to be gone down and stay in dark age if ICC not able to bring any solid policy for this all.

This was bound to happen at some point. At present, Indian market is contributing to around 80% of the media rights revenue for the ICC. And countries such as United Arab Emirates are important, because it is where a lot of illicit money from India flows into. Considerable number of Indians, from all political ideologies have secret bank accounts and other assets in the UAE. On top of that, the headquarters of ICC is also located in that country. And this is the reason why UAE has become the blue eyed boys of the ICC, and a lower priority is given to teams with native players.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 25, 2023, 09:21:33 PM

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UAE is associate country but still they are having too many matches with just because of UAE influence in ICC, but this is not good as they are having no native players and their grass root sporting system is also not ideal for this game which is having not good chance of improved quality and performance with Afghanistan is surely one of the best rising teams in Asia and World with their few quality spinners and few good batsmen even they are also not able to play at home but still doing good development, and we can have good future of this game in this country their recent performance in World Cup is also impressive which is indicating things will be on positive side for the development.

There are more deserving associate nations out there, such as Nepal, Netherlands and Namibia. But it is the United Arab Emirates who always get matches against the full member nations, because of their fat pockets and dominance in the ICC. And even then, no one comes to watch their matches. Even their own players are not interested in the cricket team because all of them are citizens of either India or Pakistan and their moral support is for these teams. In the end, no one cares about these matches, and they are just for the record.

I have to agree with this all but now as we are heading for the professionalism in this game and franchise specially these Arabs are investing look like moral or dignity could be stayed in only books and no one will care about this all because money is going to change things, and surely we are going to this way with no one can stop this all as we all know checking how SPL is changing the way in soccer even they are currently able to bring old players but still their money is creating changes, and they are doing this all, so things like these will happen in cricket as well.

ICC is just a puppet organization which is having no worth and weak boards will also not able to survive just few strong enough boards will be survived and able to compete with this, all others have to be gone down and stay in dark age if ICC not able to bring any solid policy for this all.

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Quote from: Tipstar on December 25, 2023, 10:10:13 PM

Afghanistan currently is the best team among the associate nations and are presenting well in world stage. Provided we have a few more challenging teams, the very rule for the elite teams in cricket would be challenged. The problem with afghanistan is there's future is troublesome. With the national level ban on women cricket in Afghanistan, there has been rising pressure to ban the mens team as well. And even if they are not outright banned, they'll get less exposure and considering the economic situation, creating new talents would not get a priority.

WTF man? Afghanistan is not an associate nation. They got full member status back in 2019 and their funding from ICC also went up by 20x. Obviously the ICC bent rules for Afghanistan. The rules state that any full member nation needs to have a functional women's domestic setup. On the other hand, Afghanistan doesn't even have a women's national team. And a number of cricket boards, including CA and ECB objected to the reclassification because of this. But then, BCCI was in support of Afghanistan and that enabled the ICC to push ahead.

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Quote from: ThemePen on December 25, 2023, 09:32:39 PM

Quote from: HelliumZ on December 25, 2023, 05:33:44 PM

Afghanistan 2023 ODI World Cup has been the biggest surprise as they have defeated two tough opponents like England and Pakistan. Moreover, Afghanistan's top order batsmen performed well as usual and lower order batsmen especially Rashid khan, Mujeeb Ur Rahman could bowl well as well as bat fairly well. That's why Afghanistan's score is much higher than other teams. Moreover, most of the players of Afghanistan participate in Big Bash, IPL, PSL, Carribbean League, County League at various times. That's why they have some kind of experience working inside their batting and bowling which makes Afghanistan perform like an experienced team.

Yes you are right. They played well in the ICC World Cup. They was just near to the Semifinal Qualification. But Australia defeated them. Especially I remember the Maxwell batting.
By the way I was expecting that the Afghanistan will perform well. But they didn't make a higher target. I was expecting that they will make 250+ runs but they didn't do that. But their bowling was quite well. They restricted the United Arab Emirates team below 110 runs. They have one more tour match and I hope Afghanistan will win that match too. After that they will play T20 series. They will play 3 matches. And I hope Afghanistan will the series. So let's see.

Afghanistan currently is the best team among the associate nations and are presenting well in world stage. Provided we have a few more challenging teams, the very rule for the elite teams in cricket would be challenged. The problem with afghanistan is there's future is troublesome. With the national level ban on women cricket in Afghanistan, there has been rising pressure to ban the mens team as well. And even if they are not outright banned, they'll get less exposure and considering the economic situation, creating new talents would not get a priority.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on December 25, 2023, 05:33:44 PM

Afghanistan 2023 ODI World Cup has been the biggest surprise as they have defeated two tough opponents like England and Pakistan. Moreover, Afghanistan's top order batsmen performed well as usual and lower order batsmen especially Rashid khan, Mujeeb Ur Rahman could bowl well as well as bat fairly well. That's why Afghanistan's score is much higher than other teams. Moreover, most of the players of Afghanistan participate in Big Bash, IPL, PSL, Carribbean League, County League at various times. That's why they have some kind of experience working inside their batting and bowling which makes Afghanistan perform like an experienced team.

Yes you are right. They played well in the ICC World Cup. They was just near to the Semifinal Qualification. But Australia defeated them. Especially I remember the Maxwell batting.
By the way I was expecting that the Afghanistan will perform well. But they didn't make a higher target. I was expecting that they will make 250+ runs but they didn't do that. But their bowling was quite well. They restricted the United Arab Emirates team below 110 runs. They have one more tour match and I hope Afghanistan will win that match too. After that they will play T20 series. They will play 3 matches. And I hope Afghanistan will the series. So let's see.

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Quote from: SATWAT on December 25, 2023, 04:42:30 PM

UAE is associate country but still they are having too many matches with just because of UAE influence in ICC, but this is not good as they are having no native players and their grass root sporting system is also not ideal for this game which is having not good chance of improved quality and performance with Afghanistan is surely one of the best rising teams in Asia and World with their few quality spinners and few good batsmen even they are also not able to play at home but still doing good development, and we can have good future of this game in this country their recent performance in World Cup is also impressive which is indicating things will be on positive side for the development.

There are more deserving associate nations out there, such as Nepal, Netherlands and Namibia. But it is the United Arab Emirates who always get matches against the full member nations, because of their fat pockets and dominance in the ICC. And even then, no one comes to watch their matches. Even their own players are not interested in the cricket team because all of them are citizens of either India or Pakistan and their moral support is for these teams. In the end, no one cares about these matches, and they are just for the record.

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