Topic: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. - page 5. (Read 12704 times)

Remember Josh thinks he did good for us. He thought that delivering miners that weren't up to spec (twice) makes us whole. Of course it doesn't and just proves he is unable to produce.

My guess is when the judge for the class action looks at the evidence he'll see how shady the company is. As long as the jury is reasonable, and I'm sure they should be as no one like to be stolen from, then I expect a conviction.

"The prosecution and the plaintiff must provide evidence in order to arrive at a conviction in criminal and civil proceedings. In criminal cases the level of guilt must reach beyond a reasonable doubt, which is at least 98 percent certainty of guilt. In a civil suit, however, the level of certainty of guilt must only reach just beyond 50 percent to achieve a conviction."

the burden of proof if far lower than in a criminal trial.

He knows his ass is in the fire and he's just scrambling to get out. My guess is he'll point it to the judge and go see I keep telling them I'll give them a refund. Of course no one is going to fall for it since he offers no outline. Remember he's been publicly saying he was going to give refunds for some time. However when we've properly requested refunds he's ignored us or lied to us.

I like he likes the punishment because he keeps coming back for more and each time he comes back it's with a brand new story where he tries to revise the truth. The skype chats are real and easily verifiable especially if someone where to request them from Microsoft. Sadly Josh Zipkin AMT CEO has no scruples and as such has continued to try to get more money when he can't even take care of his current customers.

This pretty much sums it up.

Because you ripped him off.

Josh,
Please can you tell me when you will lay out this compensation plan? A date would be good. It will include equipment, mining protection, delay losses, etc right?

Actually the amount spent for chips is right and even after the initial runs the chips are *not* the lowest cost parts by a long shot. The only thing missing from that budget break down is development cost of the rigs themselves. Ya know, general system layout, case design, a properly designed hashboard layout, testing...

It is missing for good reason: Bitmine.ch was supposed to do that. Systems from Josh were based on their lead. We know how things went for Bitmine.ch's own direct customers... And while all hell was breaking loose, Innosilicon quietly sat back taking notes for a month or so seeing the problems. They made damn sure not to repeat the terrible design choices Bitmine.ch used...

For any 1st production run of chips there is always a massive premium on them to recoup the very considerable amounts spent on design, respins and production setup costs charged by the chip foundry (in this case GlobalFoundries). Hell, look at prices for the newest Intel or AMD cpu's for a good example of that. Now once demand is proven and production ramps up or is at least sustained - then prices drop like a stone.

Again - cpu's or better yet  Bitmain s1's. Initial cost for one was well over $2k (and why the A1 chip rigs and BFL's Monarchs looked to be one heck of a deal). Bought my first s1's @ $750 each in mid March and the last ones I got for around $250.

Oh I thought I would point out, you are actually admitting that you plan on "slandering" me? You have openly admitted this. And its been recorded for posterity.

IF you indeed are planning on refunding everyone EVERYONE that includes me, then there is no need to keep this up. The community can vet you or deal with whatever thing you got next. My whole goal was to make things right with them and of course for myself. But if out of a sense of sheer vindictiveness you feel the need to continue making this a thing, then  you are putting yourself in a much worse situation. And that does not help your reputation any further. Do you REALLY want to go this route?

You have OPENLY admitted which again is YET another threat AND a violation of legal protections I have as it is AMT_Miners making this admission making both Joshua Zipkin CEO of AMT miners AND the corporation (as if in the event it is not Joshua Zipkin he would have had to sign off on such a statement from an authorized representative on such an account) to begin such a smear job. Since that is exactly what you are threatening I will treat it any actions as such from you.

Your identity is a matter of public record as you are the CEO of the corporation that took money from its clients. You were outed and exposed WAY before I even got involved. The SEO thing was already there and the posts that directly reference you were not even started by me. In fact most of them were started by you and its the comments people made that screwed you. So not sure how I am at fault for your SEO tactics. You really are like that down syndrome kid in south park who tries to do terrible things to people and it all backfires on him. MIMSY!!!!

Ahh well that explains the sudden smear campaign against me. He is looking to get ahead of it to discredit me with false statements. If the exchange thing is really him then damn. Well the sudden blitz against me kinda makes sense now. Oh well. Like I said my offer stands.

I really am curious to see what Josh/AMT_miners will have to say.

Not usually :/

Yeah that will work..  NOT. FYI ALL morons who think they can just show-up and create vapor-ware or the next GOX, just shoot yourself in the face. Save us all sometime and money, + you would be doing the EARTH a favor. Do IT, just DO IT!

Looks like our pal, Joshua "Fuzznuts" Zipkin, is planning on opening an exchange: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/introducing-coingi-one-of-the-worlds-most-sophisticated-exchange-830545

Somebody quote this post please.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Isn't that a somehow big amount for chips only? They are the cheapest component. You got a terrible deal on the chips imo!

Josh and his people tell so many lies they can't keep them straight. Perhaps we should alert the judge that he was lying in his sworn declaration. That or he's lying now. Either way you shouldn't be making false statements to customers.

It's funny because I recall josh saying he beat the class action months ago. Looks like it's just another AMT lie.

Besides he didn't even deliver my miner in a functioning manner. It had no PSU and one board has already stopped working. They've not answered my e-mails about getting a PSU (that I paid for) or the warranty since the board is covered under their terms of sale.

This is just a last ditch effort to save face. Sadly for them it's not working. He's claimed they were still selling for months after April now he says they weren't how can you believe anything this company types?

ROFLMAO, Really? Get Bent AMT NO ONE wants your GARBAGE!

yep. He states his ownership and position in line-1 of the declaration.

Wow so you lied to the court?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_er85osA9tfN2JnM0hUSlVMT1U/view?usp=sharing

Josh's declaration to the court. Signed by Joshua Zipkin AMT President and CEO.

Court documents are public record and definitely legal documents.

no clients have been refunded. NOT A SINGLE CLIENT.

If anybody believes Joshua Zipkin's claim that the Skype logs are nothing but a fabrication by whomever, then by all means order from this fuck, for you're just as delusional as he is - perhaps more!

Since so many of the customers on here are not speaking up for themselves, I figure they can I am giving Josh an out as I am tired of this nonsense. But I did get screwed of 11k. I am not letting that go until I get that back. But if noone else wants to fight for their money, thats on them. People should be speaking up but few do. I am tired of doing it for those who are not willing to fight back for themselves. This man took your money and some of you still have not received hardware from what I have been told.

OPEN Letter to Joshua Zipkin AMT_Miners:

You know what Josh? You want this all fixed? Fine. There are a ton of unhappy customers, but a few are speaking up for themselves any more. I am not going to keep at that if they are unwilling to do anything for themselves either, I'll keep it simple. I am not going to do their job for them. They want their money back then its on them, they have the info they need to proceed how they wish.

I am tired of all this crap. I will agree to remove ALL of my posts about AMT ONLY if the following conditions are met first as you have shown you are not a man of your word (everyone here can show that with ease I won't):
-give me my refund by wire the same way I wired info, none of this check is in the mail crap (THAT must happen first because you have consistently proven you are not a man of your word),
-I will return ALL your machines even the broken ones you never took back and the two 800-900Ghs machines you sent me (at your expense not from my refund)
-and finally if you remove ALL references of my name, work history and references about me from ALL of your posts. That simple.

The benefit to you? One less vocal unhappy customer to deal with, ALL your obligations with me are fulfilled once those conditions are met and I have no further cause to come at you in any shape or form. Benefit to me? Peace of mind. If you are just in this to be vindictive then you have proven everything everyone has said about you. Think about that carefully. For your part it will just lead to start clearing the slate for you. You get a chance to start over honestly if you really want to. And seeing as I posted it publicly it is out there now. Your choice.

If you cannot do those things, then we can keep at this for whatever it's worth. The difference is I am just posting the truth about you on here. I am honesytly tired of this drama. All I wanted were two working miners in March as you promised. You lied repeatedly about thier delivery and working condition. And then are now resorting to spreading lies about me.

This makes everything simple. Now if you want to keep at it. That's on you. I am prepared to address it and keep going. I have other legal options on the table to more decisively address this, but to be honest my time is better spent in other pursuits, video games among them I imagine you have other pursuits as well you want to go at.

PS for someone who claims they don't care about me your opening post really seemed to focus ALOT on me.

ohhh poor josh. you must have realized you are destined to fail at whatever you try so why not come back to this forum? zipkin, you wouldnt know the truth if ti stepped behind you and fucked you in the ass. you have never told the truth - not once. you are a con artist and nothing more. i have more in store for you i'm just restrained a little for the time being. i have not forgot you stole $6,000 dollars from me. i went to las vegas to see you zipkin but your fat ass didnt show.

good people of bitcointalk... if you purchase a miner from AMT miners be warned. you will receive used equipment 12 months later and pay 10x the value.