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Topic: OFFICIAL DICEBITCO.IN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE SKIPPED NONCES INCIDENT (Read 5521 times)
September 25, 2014, 07:42:42 AM
September 25, 2014, 07:36:03 AM
I did a profile on Manl over multiple accounts when Dicebitcoin started, and he exhibits signs of a classic con man.
The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.
Con men will always get their victims through gaining trust. They gain trust in 3 ways:
1. trust by association
2. trust by acting like a trustworthy figure. Like dressing like a pilot or doctor etc (not possible online)
3. trust by explaining what great deeds they did in the past. <-- this is the biggest sign of a conman.
Dicebitcoin is guilty of 1 & 3. By gaining Dooglus's trust in the beginning they obtained trust by association. This was massive for them and gained the entire community trust which meant they now had everyone's trust (except mine). Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.
Dicebitcoin then proceeded to do the long con. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated. Investors trust the owners and cannot verify if they are being cheated. So a dice site like dicebitcoin would play on their own accounts to get income from investors. They would then reduce the payout amount on the player accounts by skipping a few bets here and there to make up for it. It seemed that the amount of this reducing player accounts was indeed buggy, as finnile's account would never have been intended for a setting of 90% bets losing. Then use trust to create a story, since now you got caught stealing.
One would pay out the people who lost because you need to keep the trust levels up. You would then proceed to do the impossible with mateo account (I watched it live for hours). Then to con people into false trust again, you lose all the gains to the bank once everyone has already divested. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.
The entire thing is classic con man. You couldn't write a better psychological example of how con men operate.
The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community. No good con men works like a petty thief, they are sophisticated in the art of social engineering.
Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.
Casino investors and players, please do not fall for social engineered scams. People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. If you don't like his algorithm, then don't play there. And always verify your bets on all sites!
The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.
Con men will always get their victims through gaining trust. They gain trust in 3 ways:
1. trust by association
2. trust by acting like a trustworthy figure. Like dressing like a pilot or doctor etc (not possible online)
3. trust by explaining what great deeds they did in the past. <-- this is the biggest sign of a conman.
Dicebitcoin is guilty of 1 & 3. By gaining Dooglus's trust in the beginning they obtained trust by association. This was massive for them and gained the entire community trust which meant they now had everyone's trust (except mine). Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.
Dicebitcoin then proceeded to do the long con. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated. Investors trust the owners and cannot verify if they are being cheated. So a dice site like dicebitcoin would play on their own accounts to get income from investors. They would then reduce the payout amount on the player accounts by skipping a few bets here and there to make up for it. It seemed that the amount of this reducing player accounts was indeed buggy, as finnile's account would never have been intended for a setting of 90% bets losing. Then use trust to create a story, since now you got caught stealing.
One would pay out the people who lost because you need to keep the trust levels up. You would then proceed to do the impossible with mateo account (I watched it live for hours). Then to con people into false trust again, you lose all the gains to the bank once everyone has already divested. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.
The entire thing is classic con man. You couldn't write a better psychological example of how con men operate.
The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community. No good con men works like a petty thief, they are sophisticated in the art of social engineering.
Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.
Casino investors and players, please do not fall for social engineered scams. People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. If you don't like his algorithm, then don't play there. And always verify your bets on all sites!
You sir are the king of suckpuppets
Very good analysis bodgybrothers.
Time to find the man(L)Gerr and their families, and offer them a one way ticket to ISIS-recreation park.
Time to find the man(L)Gerr and their families, and offer them a one way ticket to ISIS-recreation park.
As for you, i put you a negative trust, because i had enough of your shit. You can leave me back, as you could possibly check, the trust system is not my no1 priority.
Regards
September 25, 2014, 06:28:43 AM
Very good analysis bodgybrothers.
Time to find the man(L)Gerr and their families, and offer them a one way ticket to ISIS-recreation park.
Time to find the man(L)Gerr and their families, and offer them a one way ticket to ISIS-recreation park.
September 25, 2014, 12:34:46 AM
Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.
I made a point of trying not to know how much people had because I wanted to treat all customers equally.
I remember one Sunday afternoon when LiKaShing got upset that I didn't have 24/7 support in place and he had to wait 3 hours for the hot wallet to be refilled. That's the only time I can think of that a player seemed to expect special treatment because he was a "good customer".
September 24, 2014, 11:05:10 PM
I did a profile on Manl over multiple accounts when Dicebitcoin started, and he exhibits signs of a classic con man.
The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.
Con men will always get their victims through gaining trust. They gain trust in 3 ways:
1. trust by association
2. trust by acting like a trustworthy figure. Like dressing like a pilot or doctor etc (not possible online)
3. trust by explaining what great deeds they did in the past. <-- this is the biggest sign of a conman.
Dicebitcoin is guilty of 1 & 3. By gaining Dooglus's trust in the beginning they obtained trust by association. This was massive for them and gained the entire community trust which meant they now had everyone's trust (except mine). Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.
Dicebitcoin then proceeded to do the long con. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated. Investors trust the owners and cannot verify if they are being cheated. So a dice site like dicebitcoin would play on their own accounts to get income from investors. They would then reduce the payout amount on the player accounts by skipping a few bets here and there to make up for it. It seemed that the amount of this reducing player accounts was indeed buggy, as finnile's account would never have been intended for a setting of 90% bets losing. Then use trust to create a story, since now you got caught stealing.
One would pay out the people who lost because you need to keep the trust levels up. You would then proceed to do the impossible with mateo account (I watched it live for hours). Then to con people into false trust again, you lose all the gains to the bank once everyone has already divested. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.
The entire thing is classic con man. You couldn't write a better psychological example of how con men operate.
The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community. No good con men works like a petty thief, they are sophisticated in the art of social engineering.
Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.
Casino investors and players, please do not fall for social engineered scams. People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. If you don't like his algorithm, then don't play there. And always verify your bets on all sites!
The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.
Con men will always get their victims through gaining trust. They gain trust in 3 ways:
1. trust by association
2. trust by acting like a trustworthy figure. Like dressing like a pilot or doctor etc (not possible online)
3. trust by explaining what great deeds they did in the past. <-- this is the biggest sign of a conman.
Dicebitcoin is guilty of 1 & 3. By gaining Dooglus's trust in the beginning they obtained trust by association. This was massive for them and gained the entire community trust which meant they now had everyone's trust (except mine). Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.
Dicebitcoin then proceeded to do the long con. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated. Investors trust the owners and cannot verify if they are being cheated. So a dice site like dicebitcoin would play on their own accounts to get income from investors. They would then reduce the payout amount on the player accounts by skipping a few bets here and there to make up for it. It seemed that the amount of this reducing player accounts was indeed buggy, as finnile's account would never have been intended for a setting of 90% bets losing. Then use trust to create a story, since now you got caught stealing.
One would pay out the people who lost because you need to keep the trust levels up. You would then proceed to do the impossible with mateo account (I watched it live for hours). Then to con people into false trust again, you lose all the gains to the bank once everyone has already divested. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.
The entire thing is classic con man. You couldn't write a better psychological example of how con men operate.
The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community. No good con men works like a petty thief, they are sophisticated in the art of social engineering.
Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.
Casino investors and players, please do not fall for social engineered scams. People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. If you don't like his algorithm, then don't play there. And always verify your bets on all sites!
September 24, 2014, 12:32:41 AM
Not sure what happened but I've made over 160,000 rolls and I've only had one bad 21 loss streak.....
On JD and DD I would've had a 21 loss streak every 25k bets.
On JD and DD I would've had a 21 loss streak every 25k bets.
I can check that for you if you like.
Can you tell me your userids on JD and DD?
Seeing a 21 loss streak in just 25k bets sounds pretty unlikely. At 49.5% you should see a 21 loss streak every 1.7 million bets or so on average.
September 23, 2014, 11:59:18 PM
Not sure what happened but I've made over 160,000 rolls and I've only had one bad 21 loss streak.....
On JD and DD I would've had a 21 loss streak every 25k bets.
On JD and DD I would've had a 21 loss streak every 25k bets.
September 23, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
Sorry I had to be clearer about the diff. This diff is from the commit that introduced the malicious code. It was part of a feature branch (https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/comparing-workflows/feature-branch-workflow) that he was working on about some frontend and SEO stuff. Actually the changes that the whole branch introduced are a lot more than the changes depicted in this diff.
Yeah, that's the only reasonable explanation I could think of too.
September 23, 2014, 05:13:52 AM
Here is the diff for the malicious code commit, for what it's worth http://pastebin.com/anXZmNM6
Thanks. I'm surprised how small it is. All it does it changes a couple of