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legendary
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February 06, 2014, 11:10:45 AM
#64
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But that is one in the same ... it's really a turn-off for investors when you're asking money from them and then immediately diluting their shares with the premine.

The premine is used to pay current and future developers as well as serve as a long term endowment for the project after the bitcoin reserves run low. As for a turn off, silicon valley has been accepting that people who start companies have equity in the company for over 50 years. This is what built apple and google. It makes people work harder and have a vested interest in the long term growth of the market. If I just pay you a salary, then you can walk away with a clean slate.

We are not a company but we are not a traditional open sourced project. It's really something new and a test for a different way of doing VC. My hope is that our model can eventually be refined and become a permanent part of the startup landscape for projects that don't have equity in a traditional sense and are more mission oriented than profit.

Take it for what it's worth.  My biggest problem with this was using Ethereum to try and fund V2, V3, V4, V5 upfront.  I have no problem with the amount the founders are taking.  But it seems like the massive premine is imposing a HUGE tax on the present at the expense of lowering the probability it will fly in the first year.  If it doesn't fly in year one, it won't. 

If it works - the ongoing tax should sustain it after year one.  

My vote is lower the premine, up the recurring tax.  Even if I understand why you are trying to eliminate the pump and dumpers initially ... if it doesn't fly in the first six months.  It probably isn't going to.  Seems to me initial premine is lowering your chances of success. 
legendary
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CEO of IOHK
February 06, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
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If investments are in BTC, how will anyone differentiate US investors to the rest of the world?

IP blacklisting, similar to Satoshi dice. It's not an effective means technologically, but legally it satisfies our end. I am working very hard to make sure we can accept US investment; however, it's still a topic for debate.
sr. member
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February 06, 2014, 10:59:30 AM
#62
If investments are in BTC, how will anyone differentiate US investors to the rest of the world?
+1
legendary
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CEO of IOHK
February 06, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
#61
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But that is one in the same ... it's really a turn-off for investors when you're asking money from them and then immediately diluting their shares with the premine.

The premine is used to pay current and future developers as well as serve as a long term endowment for the project after the bitcoin reserves run low. As for a turn off, silicon valley has been accepting that people who start companies have equity in the company for over 50 years. This is what built apple and google. It makes people work harder and have a vested interest in the long term growth of the market. If I just pay you a salary, then you can walk away with a clean slate.

We are not a company but we are not a traditional open sourced project. It's really something new and a test for a different way of doing VC. My hope is that our model can eventually be refined and become a permanent part of the startup landscape for projects that don't have equity in a traditional sense and are more mission oriented than profit.
full member
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Ethereum
February 06, 2014, 10:37:34 AM
#60
Like anyone, I'm excited to see what you come up with.

That said, what is with the massive premining and IPO when you don't have anything ready to go?  It is like saying trust us, we promise we are not going to screw you.  Which, sadly, many people on this board have fallen victim to already.

Are you going to address this issue?

That's not at all what we're saying, if we did say something ridiculous and mickey mouse like that I wouldn't be involved in the project, I'd run away in the other direction as my name is public. I think it's fair to say it's true for the rest of the team, too.

When the ether presale is announced, there's going to be:
- a list of every project we plan to develop and support
- total transparency on where funds will be assigned where and by whom
- exactly how any potential legal entity will be formed
- what would happen should things go 'wrong'
.. and of course when the project is launched, total transparency on accounting through an independent accounting firm

I've personally been involved in raising funding for three startups in the past, and many more on behalf of third parties, including conducting due diligence exercises on very large enterprise projects and M&A. Things are going to be done by the book.

What we can't do is give you answer to the above questions today, because nothing is set in stone yet. I hope this clear things up. I also encourage you to conduct your own due diligence exercises, as one would do for ANY investment of ANY size.



full member
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Ethereum
February 06, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
#59
Question above directed to you also Ursium!
Regarding this last statement.  The launch you're referring to.  Is it the IPO that was supposed to be Feb 1, now Q3 or Q4 ?

Q3/Q4 launch = main net launch
The pre-sale of Ether we haven't announced yet, and will do so as soon as we have sorted its details.
legendary
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February 06, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
#58
please explain the reason for the IPO and the premine.

Someone said earlier that the IPO was for developing the client/application, and the premine to pay the founders.

But that is one in the same ... it's really a turn-off for investors when you're asking money from them and then immediately diluting their shares with the premine.

Also, explain the Q3-Q4 launch date? 
sr. member
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black swan hunter
February 06, 2014, 09:30:27 AM
#57

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Do you have any recommendations for SCRUM and online collaboration tools for doing crypto projects?

First, here is why SCRUM is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU0llRltyFM and here is the tool we are using: http://www.scrumdo.com/

These are solid reads http://it-ebooks.info/book/494/, http://it-ebooks.info/book/2803/

Thanks for following up with answer. Scrum was great for Wikispeed!
sr. member
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February 06, 2014, 05:57:57 AM
#56
My issue is not with the involvement of former Goldman Sachs employees, I know you need to hire good people.  My issue is with how the heck could they have made such a horrible PR move?  Surely someone would have said...."Hey Charlie mentioning GS is probably a BAD THING"

Even though he seemed to have just mentioned it in passing in the video, I'm happy he did. Can you imagine if people discovered someone worked for Goldman Sachs after the project got up and running and completed a fundraiser? I think the Internet would have exploded. They've been honest, and it's stupid for us to crucify them for their past actions. They left Goldman Sachs, didn't they?
sr. member
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February 06, 2014, 05:55:13 AM
#55
Like anyone, I'm excited to see what you come up with.

That said, what is with the massive premining and IPO when you don't have anything ready to go?  It is like saying trust us, we promise we are not going to screw you.  Which, sadly, many people on this board have fallen victim to already.

Are you going to address this issue?

They have plenty ready to go. It's very alpha, but it's all open and free for you to play with: https://github.com/ethereum. As I post this, their lead Go dev updated the Go repository just a few minutes go.

If you look at the facts, this already beats out 99% of the projects on here that end up taking your money with nothing to show (I'm looking at you Mastercoin!). They're showing you things and haven't taken a dime for it.
sr. member
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February 06, 2014, 05:51:06 AM
#54
Ok here is my question. 

During the Etherium introduction video Charles Hoskinson made the obvious mistake of mentioning that former Goldman Sachs employees have worked on the Etherium project. 

Many people have taken issue with these statements.  My issue is Mr. Hoskinson when he mention this appeared to be completely tone deaf or insensitive to the mood of the cyptocurrency community.  Even worse is no one who was involved with the video realized this would become a major issue.  So how experience does the Etherium team have in the community, and what steps will be taken so such blunders don't happen in the future?

You should know that I asked about Goldman Sachs (jokingly) in the first question on here. I hoped that people would see it and use it as a reference instead of asking about it over and over. Check out their responses below. If you believe them to be truthful, then that's good. If you don't believe it, then that's good too. But there is only so much they can do. They're giving you direct information, directly from the man who said it.


Categorically, no.

From Charles Hoskinson:

"We have two people on our team who started their financial careers- as many thousands have done- at Goldman Sachs. They have both since left and started other ventures. In both cases those were hedge funds. Joe retired and moved to Jamaica to be in the music industry and came out of retirement to join us. Costa went to university of Edinburgh to study LCS's relationship to finance for a PhD in Quantitative Finance. He is now running a hedge fund in Kyrgyzstan as well as building a full clearing house in etherscript.

We have no relationship with Goldman Sachs nor are they an investor. I wouldn't take their money if offered. I have great respect for their knowledge of the financial industry as well as quality of talent, but no respect for their business practices or questionable conduct.
"

Goldman Sachs has no involvement in our venture. We have no current GS employees nor intend on hiring any nor establishing a partnership. We will not accept investment from goldman sachs nor collaborate with them as a partner at any time.
full member
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February 05, 2014, 11:49:35 PM
#53
Like anyone, I'm excited to see what you come up with.

That said, what is with the massive premining and IPO when you don't have anything ready to go?  It is like saying trust us, we promise we are not going to screw you.  Which, sadly, many people on this board have fallen victim to already.

Are you going to address this issue?
newbie
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Merit: 0
February 05, 2014, 11:35:19 PM
#52
Ok here is my question.  

During the Etherium introduction video Charles Hoskinson made the obvious mistake of mentioning that former Goldman Sachs employees have worked on the Etherium project.  

Many people have taken issue with these statements.  My issue is Mr. Hoskinson when he mention this appeared to be completely tone deaf or insensitive to the mood of the cyptocurrency community.  Even worse is no one who was involved with the video realized this would become a major issue.  So how experience does the Etherium team have in the community, and what steps will be taken so such blunders don't happen in the future?

You can take it for what you will; as for myself, I was encouraged. Goldman Sachs as a corporation may be unethical, but they only hire the best and brightest (and there is NO REASON to expect that run-of-the-mill employees share their company's disdain for ethics).

Charles, if you want to hire some of the best cryptographers in the world, and they happen to have once worked for the NSA (as many of the best cryptographers in the world do), you have my permission to do so! I want you guys to put together the best team you possibly can, irrespective of where they FORMERLY worked.

My issue is not with the involvement of former Goldman Sachs employees, I know you need to hire good people.  My issue is with how the heck could they have made such a horrible PR move?  Surely someone would have said...."Hey Charlie mentioning GS is probably a BAD THING"
legendary
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February 05, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
#51
Ok here is my question.  

During the Etherium introduction video Charles Hoskinson made the obvious mistake of mentioning that former Goldman Sachs employees have worked on the Etherium project.  

Many people have taken issue with these statements.  My issue is Mr. Hoskinson when he mention this appeared to be completely tone deaf or insensitive to the mood of the cyptocurrency community.  Even worse is no one who was involved with the video realized this would become a major issue.  So how experience does the Etherium team have in the community, and what steps will be taken so such blunders don't happen in the future?

You can take it for what you will; as for myself, I was encouraged. Goldman Sachs as a corporation may be unethical, but they only hire the best and brightest (and there is NO REASON to expect that run-of-the-mill employees share their company's disdain for ethics).

Charles, if you want to hire some of the best cryptographers in the world, and they happen to have once worked for the NSA (as many of the best cryptographers in the world do), you have my permission to do so! I want you guys to put together the best team you possibly can, irrespective of where they FORMERLY worked.
newbie
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February 05, 2014, 11:27:39 PM
#50
Ok here is my question.  

During the Etherium introduction video Charles Hoskinson made the obvious mistake of mentioning that former Goldman Sachs employees have worked on the Etherium project.  

Many people have taken issue with these statements.  My issue is Mr. Hoskinson when he mention this appeared to be completely tone deaf or insensitive to the mood of the cyptocurrency community.  Even worse is no one who was involved with the video realized this would become a major issue.  So how experience does the Etherium team have in the community, and what steps will be taken so such blunders don't happen in the future?
hero member
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February 05, 2014, 11:06:54 PM
#49
What's the estimated launch date for ethereum?

We're aiming for a go live of the main net by Q3-Q4 2014, but cannot commit to anything at this early stage.

Question above directed to you also Ursium!
Regarding this last statement.  The launch you're referring to.  Is it the IPO that was supposed to be Feb 1, now Q3 or Q4 ?


im curious about this also
hero member
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February 05, 2014, 10:25:26 PM
#48
What's the estimated launch date for ethereum?

We're aiming for a go live of the main net by Q3-Q4 2014, but cannot commit to anything at this early stage.

Question above directed to you also Ursium!
Regarding this last statement.  The launch you're referring to.  Is it the IPO that was supposed to be Feb 1, now Q3 or Q4 ?
full member
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Merit: 100
Ethereum
February 05, 2014, 10:09:09 PM
#47
What's the estimated launch date for ethereum?

We're aiming for a go live of the main net by Q3-Q4 2014, but cannot commit to anything at this early stage.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
February 05, 2014, 06:02:27 PM
#46
What's the estimated launch date for ethereum?
legendary
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February 05, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
#45
Charles, thank you for your response!

I'm sure you all have considered this, but if it becomes necessary to block U.S. investors, it seems logical that it would be necessary to block investors in other jurisdictions as well (if those countries had similar legal framework as the U.S. and/or similar regulatory bodies like the SEC). If enough people get excluded based on what jurisdiction they live in, it seems like the development of the Ethereum ecosystem could be severely hampered.

Obviously this is all just speculative so there is no need to comment on it, but I hope the team is considering this possibility.


If investments are in BTC, how will anyone differentiate US investors to the rest of the world?
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