OGnasty and KWH REMOVE NEG TRUST [ INNOCENT PROVED]

eddie13

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OG is right.. Even though the amount was repaid it was still a bad trade in that it surely stressed the other party and inconvenienced others..

With this as the only excuse..

Quote from: stingers on October 07, 2018, 01:20:47 AM

As I already explained the @mikeywith about the issues I was facing, and I prefer keeping it private. I can tell you I had a medical issue and due to which I was unable to solve the problem created here

Just because he bought it doesn't mean others would, and who is to say the same situation wouldn't happen again? If I had a seizure they would pull my licence because it could happen again.. If you are prone to disappearing for periods of time while in the middle of a deal that is not good..
Even if their was no ill intent a warning that it could happen again is not unreasonable..

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Quote from: stingers on October 11, 2018, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 09, 2018, 08:46:58 AM

That’s the thing, it wasn’t a loan. He said he would sell goods and then disappeared once he got paid. After being given negative trust and presumably realizing he cannot get paid for signature campaigns, suddenly he repaid and demands to have his account trust restored.

This is not for the signature campaign, but I just want to maintain a good repo here.

Then you should start with accepting responsibility for your actions. You continuing to proclaim your innocence here instead of acknowledging wrongdoing will never get you any sympathy from me.

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This is a flat out lie. You are not innocent. You are guilty. Understand? You repaid the stolen BTC, but what about amends? What about the USD value of the refund? What about acknowledging that you deprived someone of their funds likely causing emotional distress and potentially turning someone away from our community? You keep trying to be the victim here, and you are not. You are the culprit who has wasted now hours of my time and other community members' time with this nonsense, not including the victim's time to bring this scam to everyone's attention in order to see that you are brought to justice.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 09, 2018, 08:46:58 AM

That’s the thing, it wasn’t a loan. He said he would sell goods and then disappeared once he got paid. After being given negative trust and presumably realizing he cannot get paid for signature campaigns, suddenly he repaid and demands to have his account trust restored.

This is not for the signature campaign, but I just want to maintain a good repo here.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 09, 2018, 09:31:30 AM

I am not agree to remove you red tagged. You had returned money after got tag. It doesn't mean you are trusted now. You should returned money before open scam accusation. If you have solved problem with victim it's good. But you will not do in future no one can say. If you are trading something and unfortunately you are unable to delivery than you should return fund instantly. That's call trust. You are too late...

OP already told that he/she have paid the debt that he/she stole or from the loan that he/she didn't pay. Ognasty already decided that this person can still not be trusted because of the mistake which you have also said that he/she might still be doing in the future.

@OP, Everyone deserves second chances and you were given one therefore continue doing stuffs wearing that "Red Lipstick" as a sign of your mistake. Or just leave for everyone's safety.

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I am not agree to remove you red tagged. You had returned money after got tag. It doesn't mean you are trusted now. You should returned money before open scam accusation. If you have solved problem with victim it's good. But you will not do in future no one can say. If you are trading something and unfortunately you are unable to delivery than you should return fund instantly. That's call trust. You are too late...

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 08, 2018, 11:06:21 PM

Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 10:58:46 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 01:09:34 PM

Your image doesn't say scammer. It says warning. Your continued pleas of innocence are hurting your case, as they don't really show remorse for the victim here and instead expect us to sympathize with the culprit.

Just you have such views about the neg trust but rest of the forum think any red trusted member is a scammer.

Hurting my case, Grin

there is just nothing remained in the case, as even if you remove the red trust, there are 10 more who followed you and would not bother to listen to my case.

How long did you not pay the person that loaned to money to you?

Were you a week late?
Were you a month late?
Were you two months late?

That’s the thing, it wasn’t a loan. He said he would sell goods and then disappeared once he got paid. After being given negative trust and presumably realizing he cannot get paid for signature campaigns, suddenly he repaid and demands to have his account trust restored.

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Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 10:58:46 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 01:09:34 PM

Your image doesn't say scammer. It says warning. Your continued pleas of innocence are hurting your case, as they don't really show remorse for the victim here and instead expect us to sympathize with the culprit.

Just you have such views about the neg trust but rest of the forum think any red trusted member is a scammer.

Hurting my case, Grin

there is just nothing remained in the case, as even if you remove the red trust, there are 10 more who followed you and would not bother to listen to my case.

How long did you not pay the person that loaned to money to you?

Were you a week late?
Were you a month late?
Were you two months late?

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 01:09:34 PM

Your image doesn't say scammer. It says warning. Your continued pleas of innocence are hurting your case, as they don't really show remorse for the victim here and instead expect us to sympathize with the culprit.

Just you have such views about the neg trust but rest of the forum think any red trusted member is a scammer.

Hurting my case, Grin

there is just nothing remained in the case, as even if you remove the red trust, there are 10 more who followed you and would not bother to listen to my case.

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Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 12:49:51 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 12:28:11 PM

I don't have an option that says, "Warning: This user may steal your funds, but if he sees it as beneficial to himself he may repay you down the line." or I would have gone that route.

I respect your views and also I am glad that my case was investigated by a person Like you. But still, you are offending every statement of mine as my image has just turned as a scammer to you. Even if I prove my innocence 100 times here it would not change.

Your image doesn't say scammer. It says warning. Your continued pleas of innocence are hurting your case, as they don't really show remorse for the victim here and instead expect us to sympathize with the culprit.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 12:28:11 PM

My opinion is that what you deserve is for your account to carry a warning to others stating, "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" as it has been demonstrated that you are capable of taking someone's money and not delivering on your promise.

Even after such a big story, still, you think I deserve the tag that just means that if you feel that I don't deserve it you will not remove it in any consequences. I am just tired of telling the same thing again and again and the answer I get every time is I deserve it for late payments. I think even if any stupid person reads the issue here will say that I have something serious and for which I did a late recovery but I repaid it.

Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 12:28:11 PM

This does not mean that you can't participate here.

Still, I just could not do anything here as this is forum is just becoming more centralized and leaving its main moto of decentralization. Just most of the people here are supporting your views as they think if they do so they will gain you trust and which surely is an indication of centralization. It does not mean that someone is forcing them to do so but they are doing this to protect them selfs from going off to the views of a trusted person like you.

Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 12:28:11 PM

I don't have an option that says, "Warning: This user may steal your funds, but if he sees it as beneficial to himself he may repay you down the line." or I would have gone that route.

I respect your views and also I am glad that my case was investigated by a person Like you. But still, you are offending every statement of mine as my image has just turned as a scammer to you. Even if I prove my innocence 100 times here it would not change.

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Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 12:02:26 PM

I just don't want any pity bud, I am just asking for what I deserve in first case.

My opinion is that what you deserve is for your account to carry a warning to others stating, "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" as it has been demonstrated that you are capable of taking someone's money and not delivering on your promise. This does not mean that you can't participate here.

I don't have an option that says, "Warning: This user may steal your funds, but if he sees it as beneficial to himself he may repay you down the line." or I would have gone that route.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 08, 2018, 11:47:35 AM

Scammers have their own greed- and stupidity-driven logic. I hear this constantly here, and I've heard it a lot in real life: "If I was going to cheat you, would I have done ____?". And the fact is, that's a scammer tactic. How do you think con men are able to scam people? They have to gain your confidence first!

Yes, all the logic you say here is right and my logic is wrong, that's a great thinking of you. ( I guess you are a logical programmer)

I would like to here your thought about who should decide what logic is right or wrong?

And how do you know a scammers logic are you expert at it ?

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 08, 2018, 11:47:35 AM

And then there's the whole pity party part of your post. Dude, just give it up. From the little I've read here, these guys have good reason to have left you those negatives. You're pretty untrustworthy and nothing you've written here has convinced me that removing a feedback is justified.

I just don't want any pity bud, I am just asking for what I deserve in first case.

stingers

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Quote from: marlboroza on October 08, 2018, 11:30:50 AM

You obviously can't be trusted with money.

I would even not trust you with it.

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Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 11:41:04 AM

Its just a simple logic, no one would just loose his years old developed account, and also a merit source which already had many positive trusts under untrusted feedback for just 150$.

Scammers have their own greed- and stupidity-driven logic. I hear this constantly here, and I've heard it a lot in real life: "If I was going to cheat you, would I have done ____?". And the fact is, that's a scammer tactic. How do you think con men are able to scam people? They have to gain your confidence first!

And then there's the whole pity party part of your post. Dude, just give it up. From the little I've read here, these guys have good reason to have left you those negatives. You're pretty untrustworthy and nothing you've written here has convinced me that removing a feedback is justified.

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Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 12:02:26 PM

And how do you know a scammers logic are you expert at it ?

My guess is that I'm older than you, with more life experience. I've spent a lot of time trying to help drug addicts, so I've seen quite a bit of this crap.

The "pity party" thing is an attempt at emotional manipulation, and it's obvious. But I'm telling you, the members who left you negative trust aren't going to buy it.

Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 12:02:26 PM

I would like to here your thought about who should decide what logic is right or wrong?

We all make those judgements. As far as the feedback goes, that's how the trust system works--people decided you look, smell, and sound like a scammer so they tagged you accordingly.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 08, 2018, 10:27:25 AM

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Sir, I guess there is no one here who thinks if a person is trying to get back and solve all the issues he should atlest be given one chance.
I guess there is nothing remained in my fight now as every day I am getting new negative trust from users who have just not studied the case. They are just coping others trust without going through the issue. And I need to explain this to every one to just prove my innocence. Its just like begging for trust !
Its just a simple logic, no one would just loose his years old developed account, and also a merit source which already had many positive trusts under untrusted feedback for just 150$. Still I know the amount should not matter in any scam but I have repaid it which is a thing which none of a intended scammer will do.

But still I am just loosing hope now, and there is no one who will just respect my repayment. Still I am glad that the person got his money back and is happy with it.

Again I have just been appointed here to award merits to people who are worthy of it and I will keep doing so.

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People who take someone's money and don't deliver product should return money the same moment they realize they can't deliver it. You lied you have product and you run away with money, not to mention that you have tried to "sell 5 coupons" - not only 1.

Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 07:00:33 AM

As I already said, I was locked up in a medical situation

This is irrelevant.

Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 07:19:13 AM

Still, I came back, repaid all my depth.

You sound like you took loan - which you didn't. You took someone's money and run away for certain period of time. The reason why you came back is known only to you.

Quote from: stingers on October 08, 2018, 07:19:13 AM

If I was a scammer, I just would have never returned here to pay back the money.

This is stupidest statement I have read today.

You obviously can't be trusted with money.

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Quote from: eddie13 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:59 AM

If OG blocked his PMs their may be more to it than I know..

It seems like the lender is somewhat satisfied with the outcome..

I blocked his PMs because I got tired of someone telling me that I have to remove their negative trust since they paid back the person they stole from. While it is good for his karma, I still do not trust him. The multiple threads and PMs demanding I do really isn’t helping his cause. He scammed someone, likely discovered how difficult it would be to get a new account to that level, and probably decided it would be cheaper to pay back this user than to try and buy an account to participate is signature campaigns.

So it has already been demonstrated that he will steal if the price is right, but since the amount he stole this time is less than his account’s value and was paid back, we are supposed to believe he is trustworthy?

Is there anyone who believes this is about anything other than the user feeling he would make more money with a trusted account than he would have by continuing to run with the stolen funds?

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Quote from: eddie13 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:59 AM

I have thought about asking stingers about his situation previously, asking him why he hasn't been able to get the reds removed from him..

If OG blocked his PMs their may be more to it than I know..

It seems like the lender is somewhat satisfied with the outcome..

Thank you for at least trying to get the truth out instead of just reg tagging someone without any knowledge about the case.
I appreciate your way of judging people on the forum.

I have made this thread for in attempt the remove my neg trust and also PMed all the members who have red-tagged me. But, as you already know many of the members just put the trust and leave it unverified even if the issue is solved. still, I have got red trust for this issue from 3 DT members just one of them was active and removed it from my profile. Rest are also active on the forum but never replied me or any of my reputation thread.

Quote from: eddie13 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:59 AM

Maybe he should have his red removed? By time I noticed that he, someone I have a + on, had a scam accusation against him, the thread was over with and I think I was under the impression that the situation was resolved with stingers being in the clear for the most part..

Yes, I have cleared all the issues, and also started getting up to this forum in a better way, But I have started thinking that some of the members here just don't like people getting forward.

Quote from: eddie13 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:59 AM

I would also like to see a good explanation and a good conclusion of this subject..

To tell you again I was engaged in my real life problem and so I was away from here for some time. Still, I came back, repaid all my depth. If I was a scammer, I just would have never returned here to pay back the money.

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Quote from: actmyname on October 06, 2018, 11:48:50 PM

Are you going to publicize those reasons or are we to believe that they are reasonable purely off the merit of your word?

I do not see why you could not have made up something in order to try and dispel the negative feedback. Especially considering the fact that you ceased communication abruptly.

As I already said, I was locked up in a medical situation ( Do you need a medical certificate about it from my doctor Huh

, Just use to do it in school to prove my innocence for absence )

One more thing, please also review the neg trust you have left on my profile for supporting a scammer like LAUDA. I hope you are not a part of his/her team which gives a negative tag without just studying the issue properly.

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I have been interested in this case mostly because I have a + on his profile from a deal a long time ago.. I have been back and forth about removing + from accounts that are now red, and have thought about contacting stingers about this situation to see if he got it resolved..
I am undecided if I should remove +s from people that are now red, due to archive sake vs current situations, and this case is up in the air..
I have thought about asking stingers about his situation previously, asking him why he hasn't been able to get the reds removed from him..

If OG blocked his PMs their may be more to it than I know..

It seems like the lender is somewhat satisfied with the outcome..

Quote from: mikeywith on September 20, 2018, 10:06:59 AM

Ok so just to clarify things to everyone here. I would like to report that "stingers" paid back the money "150$" that i sent to him. he texted me on telegram as well as on this forum explaining to me that had his own reasons and asked for my forgiveness.

now regardless of his intentions or story of why he stopped replying. I do appreciate that he finally came and talked to me and of course paid my money back.

so from my side the problem has been solved and i do forgive him for what happened. i will also delete my negative feedback on his trust page.

but again this is a lesson learned , never deal with anybody without escrow.

thanks to everybody for supporting my case and thanks for keeping this forum as safe as possible.

Mikey.

And hopefully him or stingers can provide more information..
I am conflicted about my own rating for him and would like to see this settled one way or the other.. Not sure..

Maybe he should have his red removed? By time I noticed that he, someone I have a + on, had a scam accusation against him, the thread was over with and I think I was under the impression that the situation was resolved with stingers being in the clear for the most part..

Quote from: actmyname on October 06, 2018, 11:48:50 PM

Are you going to publicize those reasons

I would also like to see a good explanation and a good conclusion of this subject..

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