Topic: On Cuba and economy - page 2. (Read 674 times)

One day Cuba will definitely be able to get out of the problems it faces today, this is about the time of economic recovery that must be led by people who really have a goal in advancing the economic sector in the health industry. They will learn from the system of government that has been controlling the situation for years in order to get out of the problems that shackles Cuba.
Until the time comes, we can still pay attention in any way as someone who feels that life is better, how great it is to continue to support any state to continue to live in peace.

This condition occurs because of the mindset of the people and the greed of state officials. if the people are lulled into a soft life without hard work and they are satisfied with the current conditions, then these promises are the most accurate weapon for fooling the trying people themselves. on the other hand, as a government that places itself as a ruler instead of being a servant of the people, will worsen this situation, because they will of course think of themselves, as if they do not want to lose everything they have achieved.

On the one hand, it is a pity for the inhabitants of Cuba - they have lost several generations living, in fact, in isolation.
On the other hand, they themselves fell for idiotic promises, and decided not to work and achieve, but "take and share" (as it was in 1917 in Russia). The result is predictable with an accuracy of 1,000,000% - there will be totalitarianism, hunger, degradation, isolation, poverty. Therefore, they do not need to be dragged into a normal world by force - they must come to this on their own. Come to respect for private property, respect for knowledge, respect for laws, understanding that it is impossible to "take and divide" ... So let them adapt to reality for some time, and only after they are really ready - only then they will be allowed into this world. Otherwise, it will be the export of revolutionary terrorist movements.

Re local Cuban board, that would be funny. The whole Spanish section of the forum is used by a few people only, but it is really good because we can talk about the topics with people who actually care. A Cuban section would be there, however I am not sure that Cubans would really be able to speak freely or at least to do so without a certain risk.

Cash is not really anonymous. You actually either make a transfer, and has your name or you give it in hand to someone who sees your face and can potentially be recording you.

While I agree with you on principal that this is a dictatorship, left could have dictatorship as well as right, we have seen right dictatorship with Hitler, and we are seeing left dictatorship with China for the past many decades as well. So dictatorship is not just a left or right thing, it is both of them and they can both have it.

The difference comes clearer when we talk about a bit less radical than that, France and Sweden are left, UK and USA are right for example, neither of them are radical enough to have dictatorship, you have democracy in all four nations where people elect their president and that is why it matters so much that we do live a left world, I do like leftists ideas, but it should be around like Europe and not Latin America.

The biggest shame here is that people are making out this as some sort of failure for the leftists. I am a leftist myself and I have never supported what Cuba was doing, I never liked China and I actually hate them a lot, same goes for Russia. These are not "left" these are dictators, look at Putin, look at Chinese dictator, look at Cuba these were all basically places where rulers had the total control over everyone else.

For me that is fascism, because if people are not freely speaking the truth and can't complain about the rulers then I do not see how everyone is equal, isn't that what left should mean? Making everyone closer to each other? If a guy at the top is not even getting a complaint then how is it equal?

I have always said that social democracy where regulations make sure people do not die from lack of funds to buy insulin like what is going on in USA but also people elect those who will become president is the way, democracy can never be removed, doesn't matter left or right the moment you take away democracy you are becoming a horrible nation and as a leftist any place that doesn't have democracy is a bad place if you ask me and Cuba has been a bad place for decades.

I give it more credibility than elections in countries where there are dictators, that's for sure. And no, election manipulation does not happen in all democratic countries. I don't know if you have ever been at a polling station. There are usually interveners from all parties supervising the process. At the slightest doubt it is recorded in the electoral minutes. It is very difficult to manipulate election results in a generalized way and it is too exaggerated to say that it happens in all countries.

So elections in developed countries are not democratic and countries like Cuba are democracies? HAHAHA Don't make me laugh.


What data should I rely on according to you? Government data are based precisely on data. And what you say about it being twice as much is based on what you think. Even so, if they were twice as many, they would be a million, and not millions in plural as you said in the previous post.


No. Fleeing hunger and repression and in search of freedom.


You remind me of Alice in Wonderland. It seems that in Cuba everything is wonderful and in the USA they are going to be exploited, without medical attention and subjected to racism.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

By the way. Racism? Racism?

There is more structural racism in Cuba than in the US. As much as Black Lives only matter if they are killed by whites are shamefully praising the Cuban regime.

Cuba is the classic example of how socialism works. Situation is the same in other socialist nations, such as North Korea and Venezuela. And it surprises me that the voters around the world are now preferring this system, by electing politicians with socialist leaning. Check the election results for the last 2-3 years. Left-wing parties have grown astonishingly in almost every inhabited continent. Human memory is quite short.. they only care for short term benefits and elect those politicians who offer them freebies.

People need to realize the difference between having a better standard of quality, versus a bad place having something better than a good nation. Which one would I rather live in? Cuba or USA? I would prefer to live USA, even though it would suck to live there, it is still better than Cuba at least. However if I was sick, in which nation would I rather be? Cuba or USA? I rather be in Cuba. Why do people think that when you say stuff like "in Cuba you do not die from having diabetes and fail to buy insulin, or you do not have to pay half a million dollars for having cancer treatment, all of those are free in Cuba!" when you say that people think that you are saying Cuba is a good country.

On contrary Cuba is such a bad country and nevertheless they are much better at healthcare than USA, so what does that tell us about USA? They can make heatlhcare "free" and yet they knowingly do not do that, not because they can't, because even Cuba can, but because capitalists do not want to.

So, therefore, we must ask ourselves why the United States is too ambitious about governance in the Middle East and always interferes in what they shouldn't be doing. Did the US form a certain group to try to divert the system that was already running and then in the end the US came as a saving God? offers a variety of weapons, humanitarian aid, and medicine. They supply the country to fight wars.

In the future, the US is considered to be a saving service even though they themselves supply both parties to continue to carry out provocations in order to increase the increasing demand. take advantage of opportunities in adversity. Unwittingly forced both parties to pay with gold, oil, especially Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, where the three countries have very large oil supplies.

It is estimated that Saudi Arabia (258 billion barrels), Iraq (145 billion barrels), Iran (208 billion barrels). The US will not stand still with all of this great wealth. Where the natural resources of the Middle East have become the target sector of US capitalism.



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I was in Cuba, had a rest. There was a very mixed impression. On the one hand, there is beautiful nature, the Caribbean, palm trees, white sand, ... On the other hand, everything for a tourist is paid for dollars (recently it seems that the circulation of the dollar was limited) / KUK, the local population does not even have the right to use all that is available to a tourist. From a distance, the cities look interesting, but close up - everything is neglected, destroyed and degraded. A lot of restrictions, permits, "happy socialism" with food cards (libretto), where you will be sold a little food so that you do not die of hunger ... And not the fact that there will be all the food. For a month, a person is allowed to buy at a preferential price: 5 eggs, a pack of spaghetti, 2 kg of sugar, a couple of kilograms of rice and some more primitive products ... Yes, do not forget that in free sale products are unacceptably expensive for people with a pension of 11-15 dollars and salary 20-70 dollars a month...

I would not try to compare it, but if I had to, it would be with other Central-American  countries which have undergone a strong initial intervention from the United States and have eventually moved on to some short of democratic governments or have fallen into disarray. El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama... Mexico to a certain point. Even Chile and Argentina may share some elements. While Cuba continued under the Fidel and the party, these others suffered a pro-US dictatorships until they become short of democracies.

None of these have suffered a blockade. Most of them have suffered the effects of being in the path from where drugs grow to the houses of the citizens of the nation that nowadays takes most of them up their noses.


USA has already figured out that invading largely populated countries with plenty of rainforest jungle, large rivers and mountains is normally a low Rate of Return investment and is frowned upon by most countries since they would never get an UN resolution for that. Instead they supported Guaido, which does cost Venezuelan lives. I am not a fan of either of the Venezuelan so called governments.

You give too much credibility to democratic elections in so-called democracies where usually 50% of people do not exercise their right to vote, while others always vote for the same people - manipulation of election results is something that happens in all countries. In other words, free elections are no guarantee of democracy, but only a smokescreen that obscures the real state of affairs.


Do you trust the official data? If they say there are half a million of them, I'm pretty sure there are at least twice as many - because politicians are masters of lies and deception, and falsifying statistics is something all governments use.


I was speaking hypothetically from a health and general safety perspective - Cuba is certainly a better option for the average person. Of course, people are fleeing the country in search of better-paid jobs, but that comes at a price. How many of all these people really live better, not only in the sense that they have more money than before - but in the sense that they have no health care, that they are exposed to racism and difficult working conditions?

I agree with this. Especially the freedoms that its citizens have, above all to oppose the established regime without being killed or imprisoned, the degree of artistic or scientific development of the country, which in Cuba is practically non-existent, etc.


Your perception is wrong. Cuba is a dictatorship. As in all dictatorships, "free" elections are held to give the appearance of freedom and democracy, but it is a dictatorship after all.


You are obviously referring to the USA, and, again, your perception is incorrect: The number of homeless in the US is estimated at 552,830. There are not millions, there are half a million. Which is disastrous enough without exaggerating it any further.


Good luck with that. Approximately 1.4 million people have escaped the country, most of them going to the US. There is no news of people escaping from the U.S. to Cuba.

A country's economy is not something that can only be measured in the number of factories and GDP, it is sometimes much more than that - and in the example of Cuba, we see that people are still the greatest value of a country. Despite the constant portrayal of Cuba as one of the last strongholds of communism, it seems to me that there are more real democracies there than in some countries that are known as the largest democracies in the world, and have millions of homeless people who in addition do not have adequate medical care.

If I had to choose whether to live in the US or Cuba, I would choose the second option - despite the weak economy, sometimes it's not all about the money.

What you are saying is, is the fact that for all philosophical nonsense it has no impact on the existence of any particular country. Back then, I'll quote where Sparta was against Athens. They embargo and have a strength that their respective opponents cannot, namely the belief that in the future they will see victory.
To go further, your thinking is amazing. You have a point of view that I haven't been able to reach (I really appreciate that). The freedom of every individual in China and we look to neighboring North Korea will be very much the same. Silence strategy Silence is an action that closes the freedom of individual rights. How many times has Chinese communism violated UN rules that spearheaded the rehabilitation of a race and suppressed it in front of the closed eyes of the world?

As for Hong Kong and Jack Ma, you know who has silenced and deprived certain individuals and groups of people who want to live on their own feet?
Jack Ma, had been exiled several times and Hong Kong was betrayed, so they no longer had the democratic center of government they wanted.




Thus, our work in other parts of the country in Cuba will be very supportive if they want to come out and stand alone in their own homeland. Fully supporting their freedom is the most important point to live more decently, on par with other countries. Personally, I fully support the initiatives they have taken so far.

Surely, I cannot confirm the veracity of the claims in the articles, but it is also written somewhere how Cuba's healthcare remains an area of significant strength until today despite the struggling economy and US-led embargoes.

Notably, Cuba has 8.2 physicians per 1,000 people. That's apparently one of the highest in the world, much higher than the US' even. Moreover, "life expectancy is roughly the same as that of the US, but Cuba has better infant mortality rates and under-five mortality rates."

As a matter of fact, in 2019, "Cuba was ranked 30th among the world’s healthiest countries – the first among developing countries. The US was in 35th position.”

Even in terms of medical research, the country seems advanced. "The country produces around 65 percent of its own medicines and even exports some sophisticated drugs..." So it's not too surprising for Cuba to develop its own COVID-19 vaccine.

All of this despite its relatively weak economy.

https://www.europeanceo.com/home/featured/how-cubas-doctors-are-helping-the-world-fight-covid-19/

I wouldn't be surprised.  I happen to think that the speed at which the COVID vaccine was developed by companies such as Pfizer, J&J, Moderna, etc., was to be expected; the technology and ability to produce vaccines against new viruses (or new forms of them at least) has been around for a long time, so nobody should be blown away at how fast the COVID one got to market.  The only real thing holding it up was FDA approval, which those companies got around because of the urgent need.

I'm not familiar with Cuba's scientific establishment, but all countries have scientists working for their governments as far as I know, even the poorest ones.  I've no doubt that Cuba would be able to make its own vaccine.  There's a lot less rocket science and brain surgery behind doing so than the general public thinks.

That I have no clue about.  It's not as though we have a Cuban local board here (right?), and I don't really know how much crypto has caught on there.  Does anyone here know?  If I had to guess I'd say that it probably wouldn't be very popular with the government--at all--although Cuba's currency isn't suffering from hyperinflation, as is the case with other countries like Venezuela and others.

As far as funding insurgents....I still think cold, hard cash is still the way such things are funded (though that's another thing I don't really have too much knowledge about).  Cash is still as anonymous as it gets.  Even with bitcoin, there's a trail of money movement.

The Cuban American community is politically very important and most of them are descendant from the elite class who had to flee Cuba when Fidel Castro seized power from Fulgencio Batista. They support the US sanctions, because these people lost all of their property and business when Castro implemented nationalization in 1959. Barack Obama tried to remove some of the embargoes and that cost the Democrats the state of Florida in 2016 (and probably again in 2020). If Biden removes the sanctions, then the Dems can say good bye to Florida for the next 50 years.

According to what can be found online, medicine in Cuba is certainly not at the level of the Western world in terms of technology - but everyone has access to health care, and their people are still treated as living beings, not as those who can or cannot pay for health care. It is truly amazing that Italy receives help in its most difficult moments from Cuba, while some major democracies cannot agree on whether there is a danger of the virus at all or not.

A detailed insight into Cuban healthcare from the perspective of the US delegation - a little paradoxical that they are coming to see the results of their sanctions...

https://www.aacp.org/article/behind-cubas-healthcare-curtain