Topic: On the meaning of life and the long-term merits of technologic improvement (Read 23679 times)

I can safely say that a psychopass like embedded chip technology will solve this mistaken identity crime committed bias. Imagine saving the lives of the innocents and the man without guilt by just reading one's part memory and neural hue outside its privacy ofcourse. I mean the part when people do crime will be detected while the other part is safe and not scanned for privacy.

I think that sometimes even the most convenient and advance technologic improvements can be added to the enduring issues list, though. humanity should be more reasonable towards technologies anyway

If you like the terror of death management theory, check any lecture from Sheldon Solomon. He explains all details like if everyone on the audience was a complete moron and so his interventions are understandable even if you sleep on the middle.

Actually, he will make you laugh a lot.

One of the most ridiculous points some men try to make about death is that, if a man shouldn't show that he fears death, he should also pretend that he doesn't care for death, are willing to accept it naturally and with a sincere smile on his face or at least indifference.

One pathetic example is this interview of Neil DeGrasse Tyson by Larry King: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiI-34PNsXY

Larry King is the courageous and honest one about the subject. Tyson the ridiculous liar.

Even David Sinclair, who spent years researching antiaging agents and takes them, lies about the subject and says he doesn't mind to die: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOTS0HS7aq4

It's like saying he doesn't mind losing all the people he loves and even himself. He fears that a storm can bring down his house or that a stock-market crash takes his money, but if something takes everything from him, that is alright. Doesn't bother him at all. It's as natural as a storm. Carry on. No problem.

We are a part of the Universe who gained consciousness. So, the Universe gained consciousness of it self thanks to us.

On the meaning on life, I have to remind everyone that the answer to the question about life, the universe and everything is 42.
As stated by Douglas Adams in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

I wrote about meaning, but a lack of meaning isn't necessarily bad.

A life without meaning is a life without any goal constraints, where one can do anything one pleases with no wasting of time perception.

Time you loved to waste wasn't wasted.

A life without meaning is a life where we aren't slaves of any goal that we have to reach at any cost: is a life of freedom.

The irony is that meaning is an antropomorphism, it doesn't really exist out of our human models. This is even more depressing, actually.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/worlds-first-human-head-transplant-successfully-carried-132553590.html

Take this news with some caution, this hasn't yet been confirmed by any scientific article.

On the issue of symbolic immortality, let me quote this words of Miguel de Unamuno - Tragic Sense of Life:


“When doubts invade us and cloud our faith in the immortality of the
soul, a vigorous and painful impulse is given to the anxiety to
perpetuate our name and fame, to grasp at least a shadow of immortality.
And hence this tremendous struggle to singularize ourselves, to survive
in some way in the memory of others and of posterity.”

“We are more grateful to him who
congratulates us on the skill with which we defend a cause than we are
to him who recognizes the truth or the goodness of the cause itself.”

If a man despises the applause of the
crowd of to-day, it is because he seeks to survive in renewed minorities
for generations. (…) He wishes to prolong himself in time rather than in space. (…) those who win the
hearts of the elect will long be the objects of a fervent worship in
some shrine, small and secluded no doubt, but capable of preserving them
from the flood of oblivion. (…) he sacrifices infinitude to eternity.

Neither is this wish to leave a name pride, but terror of
extinction. We aim at being all because in that we see the only means of
escaping from being nothing. We wish to save our memory--at any rate,
our memory. How long will it last? At most as long as the human race
lasts.”

If the quantum fields that created the Bing Bang and our Universe are eternal and Bing Bangs will keep bursting forever (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17423455), then, soon or later (very later), there will be a Universe exactly like ours, with an Earth exactly like this, with exactly the same history, up to everyone of us.

And, following the rule that says that everything possible will necessarily happen, we'll just need to wait enough time, this will keep happening forever.

We'll be mortals, but will keep borning again on other Universes and Earths exactly like ours.

But, probably, we'll have to wait for trillions of years between each "reincarnation".

And we won't ever remember that we lived before.

The another "We" will be us, since it will have to be an exact copy to be us. And we are just exact copies of ourselves, since our bodies (all its atoms) are changed more or less on one or two years (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/if-98-of-the-atoms-in-our-body-are-replaced-in-just-1-year-what-are-we-1432165).

It seems Modern Cosmology is saying "reincarnation" on an identical body can happen.

Of course, these are just theories. We have no evidence of a multiverse or that there are and will be forever new Big Bangs.

But the mere possibility that we are mortal, but eternal, has philosophical consequences.

If we are eternal, looking for meaning by trying to obtain symbolical immortality (by our deeds or kids/genes: see the OP) is less important.

No God didn't create anything. Man when something creates, he controls it. The people of God no longer controls. Or you want to say that God is for war? And if the God does not control man at least his equal.

This Space X post deserved an autonomous thread.

Space X and the prospects of Mars colonization.

The goal of 1 million inhabitants on Mars is unfeasible. With the Mars Colonial Transporter, at 100 passengers per flight, this would require 10,000 flights only to transport the people.

But the material support is about 10 times more demanding. So, as Elon Musk recognizes, the system would require 110,000 flights (see https://aeon.co/essays/elon-musk-puts-his-case-for-a-multi-planet-civilisation; see his recent presentation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10gECHeMSds).

Even at one flight a day, it would take 301 years. And to be able to make a flight a day, taking in account that the voyage to go and return would take much more than 1 year (during times when Mars is more far away, it would be much longer), he would need 425 reusable spacecrafts. That is beyond the normal resources of any company or country.

To finance the passengers flights, he would need to find 1 million people willing to pay  200,000 USDs to go live permanently on hell. Only the poor would be ready to try their luck, looking for well paid jobs on hell. But they won't have 200,000 USDs.

Musk might find 1 million people willing to go and work there for very good jobs, but someone else would have to pay for the trip.

Selling tourism trips won't pay the voyages either. I doubt he will be able to find 20 people willing to pay 1 million bucks to pay the ticket of the other 80 for at least 14 months to go and return to hell, especially after the trip became more common.

It wouldn't be like a month on the Moon or on a tourist space station. With time to wait for the shortest return, it would be about spending more than two years on a living hell.

I don’t see many people eager to go live on Antarctica, the most similar place on Earth.

Therefore, unless there are on Mars very rich minerals, or other very valuable resources, that would pay for the trips (people and resources going to Mars and minerals coming back to Earth), with current technology of space flight, Mars will be dependent on Earth, with a few thousand or, probably, hundreds, of inhabitants.

We'll be a two planets species, but the second planet will end badly if the first planet ends badly too. Only with new technology on flight and energy, Mars will be able to be independent.
Even at 24 flights a year, 110,000 flights would take 4583 years.

The goal of making humankind a dual planet species is very worthy from the perspective of ensuring that we can endure millions of years more.

But normal people, who care first about how to pay their bills, just do what is practical to this goal and hope for the best. They won't ruin their life to go to Mars and ensure some of us will survive on the remote case that a catastrophe strikes Earth.

If massive colonization of Mars isn't economically feasible, it won't happen.

It will be fantastic to humankind in terms of pride and self-esteem to go to Mars and build a permanent station there for investigation and some scarce tourism, but we won't have more than that until we find economic reason to do more.

If Space X is able to send humans to Mars sooner than NASA, even if with NASA cooperation (if NASA figures out that Musk is really going to make it, they will jump on board), Musk will have his deserved place in History, side by side with Von Braun and Korolev (forget about Armstrong, beside courage, he had little merit).

Personally, I think that before God created the universe, He created an empty space for it that was filled with nothing. Jesus said that with God nothing is impossible, and that is why the creation came into being.


No not really. Jesus speaking, John 10:27-30:God has the method for retrieving any knowledge that He wants. However, He doesn't keep all knowledge sitting right in front of His face all the time, just as Jesus set aside a great portion of His power as God when He came to be born of a woman.

When you search the New Testament, you will find places that say that we have free will, and places that express that our faith is held by God and places that say that God hardens the hearts of unbelievers into their faith attitude. Put these things together, and you will start to understand the marvelous thing that God has done in giving us our touch of free will, and yet holding even that in place in us because our weakness is so great that we couldn't do even that little thing alone.


Again, it is God who works with our free will to allow us to have faith in Him. He says that we have free will. But He says that He hardens those whom He will harden.


Not at all. Consider yourself. Perhaps you haven't ridden bicycle in 40 years. But before that you rode it almost everyday. Did you forget how to ride bicycle? Of course not. But you don't think about it, maybe, for years at a time. God has the ability to hide things from Himself.


Well, free will has to do with free thinking. What does that have to do with removing my post?


Everyone makes mistakes - you, me, the churches. Yet we are all forgiven, even though we die in some of those mistakes, if we believe in the salvation of Jesus.


Now what are you going on about? You need to get into the Bible a little more, and allow the Holy Spirit to work understanding in your mind.



Now you are simply joking around.

I bet you took that idea of limited free will out of nothing.

Actually, you are risking your "eternal soul".

By stating that we have limited free will about our faith you are implying god doesn't know what we are going to do about believing him or not.

Because if he knew we were going to believe him or not, we wouldn't have free will on this subject. We would be determined on our actions.

So, you are saying god isn't omniscient. He doesn't know everything.

It might be wise to remove your post, because it's evidence that you are a free thinker.

On other words: that you are an heretic that will (according to main churches) burn in hell.

Of course, god knows (according to you, almost) everything, so he already knows you are a heretic and, therefore, you are already so very much nailed...

Perhaps, if you repent, remove your post and pray 100 our fathers he will forgive you.

Free will in mankind is free only in one little area. And it is only partially free in this area. This area has to do with the strength of faith that a person has in God and the salvation He provides.

God looks at this free will in every person, and examines how the person uses it. Then He goes back to the Beginning of the universe, and tweaks cause and effect in everything, to match changes in the little piece of free will faith in God or not, that each person uses, so that results of that free will are effected in everything.

Mankind totally, completely and entirely underestimates the strength and control and understanding that God has and uses in all things.

Free will is incompatible with the omniscience of god.

If he knows the future, he knows what we are going to do and, therefore, everything we do is already determined.

Determined by god, since he created (allegedly) us exactly as we are and determined to do what he knew we would do.

But you DO have a choice to repent and follow God, right now. So it is you who are guilty if you won't change.


God gave Hitler and his parents and those who worked with him the choice to be on God's side or against him, but just like you they made the wrong choice. They don't have a choice any longer, but you still do.


God gave the ability to choose, and mankind chose... this way or that. Now that you understand this, are you going to continue to make the wrong choice?



God sent Jesus, the Son of God, as God and man, to take the punishment for all the bad things mankind did. Jesus, the God/man, did this when He died on the cross.

In other words, the only reason God was guilty, was that He took on the guilt when He was in the form of Jesus... in the form of both God and man. Being God, after He paid for the wrongs of mankind, He went the next step. What is the next step? The next step is this.

God is creating a New Universe for people who decide to be on His side to be moved into. After He moves them there, He will destroy this universe along with all the people who are against Him, in the smelting pot of the Lake of Fire. Once this universe is destroyed, it will not be remembered or brought to mind, because even the history of it, and the time of it will be made to be completely nonexistent.

Blame God in your own mind if you like. But He is showing you how you and mankind in general are the ones to be blamed... and how He is erasing all the evil completely in such a way that it will never have been... by removing even all of the dimensions of the universe when He destroys it all in the Lake of Fire.

Your choice is yours. God is holding it open for you... except, of course, if you have died before you have a chance to read this.

   Since god (allegedly) created all of us, knowing very well what we would do and believe (the good book say he is omniscient, knows everything: Psalm 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be"), he created us as we are.

   When god (allegedly) created humankind, he already knew who would be the ancestors of Hitler and knew that Hitler would born on 20 April 1889 and do all the things he did.

   Any insignificant change on the current of events would avoid the existence of Hitler (a few seconds could be the difference that would allow a brother to be born created by a different spermatozoid and not Hitler).

   But god decided to create his ancestors exactly the way that allowed Hitler to be born.

   So in the end, god planed and created Hitler with full conscience about whom he was creating (see also Marshall Brain, http://godisimaginary.com/i6.htm).

   He is guilty for everything Hitler did as an individual is guilty for creating a chain of events with the clear conscience that those events will necessarily provoke a catastrophe or even any damage.