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Can you use Wikipedia? I said, search the wiki for it. Maybe read some books (for entertainment, read Dan Brown's Angels and Demons. Although ficton it has a lot of Illuminati history in it too). But the Wiki entry is fairly quick.



Oh, well, in that case, I have firsthand knowledge that the Illuminati was a group that existed a long time ago, was formed to fight the church and the monarchy (kings/government), and were all destroyed or discredited (mainly with clams that they are satanists or shadow government) because they didn't stay anonymous.
By the way, I know Freemasons. I have first knowledge of them too. They're not really all that powerful. Mostly a bunch of old men, afraid that their fraternity is disaearing because younger generations don't care to join. At this point they are basically lodges for guys to hang out and drink and stuff.


Of curse not. The president doesn't have all that much power. It's in the constitution, the laws, and everything else. All the president can do is propose ideas, talk in front of cameras, and sign bills given to him. It's Congress (House and Senate) that has all the power, and they are under obligations to corporate and special interest lobbyists.

In this case I don't wish to offend, but are you being obtuse on purpose?

This is what your line of argument logically leads to:

1. Atheists fear the unknown.
2. Fear of the unknown is not possible for most scientists.
3. Therefore, most scientists are not atheists.

Discuss.

I didn't understand your question at first, I thought it had a typo.  But if I'm reading it correctly, you're making more false presumptions about me by reinterpreting my words?

I believe in positives, a scientist can be an atheist, just as they (and many great ones have) can believe in god.

You missed the second part of my reply:

Don't think of fear as being terrified.  It simply means stemming from ego, negativity.  Ego is fear.  Doubt is ego.

If I told a large group of atheists I could fly, how many of them would agree?  I think you'd find many of them would doubt it.

Doubt is ego.  Ego is the force that prevents us from doing the impossible.

Don't be ridiculous. You didn't mention anything about "fearing what they don't understand", and even if you did, that would be a cowardly position vis-a-vis the unknown.

Even if I take your statement at face value, it makes no sense. All scientists love the unknown - it's what drives them. If you're to be believed, no scientist can be an atheist?

Yes.  That doesn't mean atheists are cowards.  It means atheists fear (doubt) what they don't understand.  It's the basis of ego, which is what atheism revolves around.

Then let me make it clearer for you:

You wrote:



Now, do you or do you not say that fear and negativity is the basis of atheism? I'm not skewing your words, I'm quoting you.

Please enlighten me as to who the illuminati were and why the people in charge are not them.  Where are they now?  I normally abstain from using the word illuminati, but when it's used, it's referring to the top of the power structure that entangles earth.

And history books do not validate truth, many rewrite history to fit the viewpoint of whoever created them.

I have firsthand knowledge that Freemasons pull most of the strings behind the curtain.  I have firsthand experience that the government works with beings of a higher awareness.

I know you don't actually believe Obama is the head of the show, do you?


See, you're still skewing my words around and it seems that you're doing it intentionally at this point.  I never said atheists are cowards, you brought that idea upon yourself.  I will say that atheists do not understand god though.  For to be with god is to have understanding, unity.

Fear is negativity, ego.  Answer this: Do you believe in god?  Do you believe in eternal life?  Do you believe I can fly?

You clearly say here that fear is the basis of atheism. Are you going to contradict yourself, or are you going to explain why you're stereotyping atheists as cowards who can't face the idea of god?

Because governments and churches convinced gullible people like yourself that the Illuminati were satanists or secret government types, and killed, imprisoned, or exhiled them. Seriously, read the wikipedia entry on them. Or any actual history books.


Yeah, that secret group of people that is in charge right now is called Governments and Churches. And I guess now corporatists. Nothing secret or shady, and definitely not the Illuminati.


Um, have you looked at the Middle East, and conflicts between India and Pakistan lately? Also, in my opinion, government is a form of religion, too, so...


No, I am defending the illuminati, who were against those things. If you are going to attack a group, at least learn about the group you are attacking first.


I like to call them governments, dictators, despots, and corporatists. Illuminati is an actual thing, and an actual group that existed with actual goals and beliefs. I could talk about how the Cherokee or the Greek Scholars are evil despots, because they are secretly controling the world, but that doesn't make sense, because those are also actual groups with actual history that don't actually do what I claim they do. Illuminati are not a catch-all adjective to describe any group you don't like. Don't continue to besmirch their good name just because the church and the government is folloing you ito it.



That sounds stupid. Being afraid of actual things that can actually physically hurt you is a good thing. It's being afraid of different opinions, things that can't hurt you, that's a bad thing.

You're pointing out inconsistencies of your perception of my words.  Saying god (love) brings peace does not mean atheists must fear death, all atheists still have love (god) in them, whether they'll admit it or not.

To your second statement, you self admittingly said you ignore death.  How can not fear death without confronting your fear of death?  It is human nature to fear.

I have not been speaking on behalf of your experience at all, I've given no more than my perception.  Now you've got me questioning how you say you're not trolling, as you state that I stated atheism robs you of hope and I said nothing of the nature and even pointed it out how you introverted my words in a previous post.



Then why do we have governments?  Why aren't we in anarchy if the illuminati thinks so highly of it?  Why are we moving towards a world government?


Everything is a part of your imagination.  It would be foolish to say negative thoughts do not effect your life.


Were perhaps, but clearly who ever is in charge of the world now is not against empires, nor rulers or governments.  Science is a distraction from the real, limitless, technology we hold within.


Faith is based off fear greed and hatred?  Now you're either joking or have never consciously experienced any level of faith.  When I rode on an R6 the third day of riding a motorcycle, lane splitting through cars at 140 mph, you're telling me that was an act of fear from my faith in myself?  Srs?

And do you honestly believe religions are the driving force of wars?  Again, srs?  Wars are perpetuated by greed, hatred and desire for control, material and power.  Wars are perpetuated by fear.  What religion's true basis is fear?  Any spiritual religion teaches from the same truth of love, god.  Do you really believe religions have not been hijacked as an excuse of demonizing the concept of god in covert means of establishing power?  Do you really believe Jesus would approve of the pope or Israeli's thirst for blood in the name of god?  Have you even contemplated that many mainstream religions turned into a control structure that bastardizes concepts of universal truth to fit their agenda?

How many wars are being fought in the name of religion?  Last I checked, it was governments and militaries that were slaughtering the masses.


Are you defending the elitist bastards that commit genocide and enslave humanity?  Do you not see what is happening in this world?  I think you do, I've read your posts for too long, it's as if you're now consciously pretending that the 'illuminati' (or whatever you want to call the top of the hierarchy) don't exist or even exist in the better interest of humanity.  A joke.


People aren't enslaved by religion.  People are enslaved through fear.  People are enslaved through greed.  Money.  The basis of any true religion is love.  God is love.  Love is peace.  Love sets you free.

Fear is what enslaves the world.  Have some corrupt religious structures used fear to control people?  Absolutely.  Is love the cause of the problem?  No.  It's the egomanics that infiltrated the concept of love and perverted it to obtain from the obvious truth that god is within and to love god is to love yourself.

Sir, as much as you'd love to think I'm the one who is deluded from reality, there are few people more in touch of the true nature of reality.  Reverse your evil (negative) words upon your tongue, for your negativity stems from your own perception.


Friend, I laid down in a lawn the day Hell's Angel's and Mexican drug cartels made appearance in Holly Springs, lapping around me for the entirety of the day.  Let's see you lay down at peace in the presence of death before calling someone else fearful.

Faith in god, love, peace does not drive fear.  Faith in ego, doubt, fear, does.

For the last 50+ years, the 13 Terrorist European Bloodlines of The Terrorist organization Illuminati (aka European Union) have been using chemical weapons to kill the children of the American Patriots militia groups to end their legacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UquKgVdiSqE

Um... that's exactly what the Illuminati fought against: they were against the idea that anyone or anything could claim to be anyone's supreme overlord...


And devil is a very specific angel/demon from the bible, having nothing to do with material things. He's a figment of people's imagination, and a part of theology. The same theology the Illuminati were against.


They, uh, were against empires too. And kings, and rulers, and governments. So they wouldn't have built any empires. They WERE for science and study of reality though.


But it's faith that is based off of fear, greed, and hatered. Hatered of people who's "morals" don't conform to your faith, or who's faith isn't the same as yours. We are annihilating out planet through religious wars, and due to people thinking that god will be coming back soon, so why worry about poluting the planet. Faith is the Dark Ages, and we're still just coming out of it (with some parts of the world still being in it)


Why would an organization that fought so much against authoritarian power, want to subjugate themselves to some authoritarian despot?


People are enslaved through religion, not atheism. Look at the Catholic church in Africa, the horrible enslavement of women in Middle East, the witch trials in US, the Inquizition and the dark ages. Hell, look at yourself. You are a slave to your delusions, to the point that you don't even recognize reality any more.


I think your faith is driving your fear of anything different, be they illuminati, or just atheists. Why are you afraid of people who simply don't share your beliefs?

Not trolling, just pointing out inconsistencies in your world view. You write that

"Please don't skew my words, I did not say atheists can't have hope.  I'm simply stating that when you overcome fear of death and understand the eternal nature of our being, there really is nothing to fear.  And that is powerful.  How does a tyrant control a population that doesn't fear death?"

How can you then say you don't mean that atheists don't fear death?


You believe this is true, therefore it is true? My life experience is nothing like that. I've never feared death, but I have loved life. There's a big difference.

The idea that something of me will continue after death in some mad god's playground - I've never understood that belief, nor its allure.



Your vivid imagination was fun while it was harmless, but the last few posts you've been telling me how I live, what I fear, that atheism robs me of hope.

I don't mind so much when you wrote in that other thread "Atheism doesn't exist" because it's clear to everyone that you're wrong. But then you start trying to stereotype someone because they haven't seen sufficient proof to believe what you believe.

What next? Atheists are subhuman? They don't really feel pain? Any other wise insight into the mind of the "Atheist"?

I didn't say that either, now it seems you're just trolling me.

Generally speaking, however, the thought of eternal peace brings a lot more peace in one's life than the thought of cessation of existence, from my experience at both ends of the spectrum.  Contemplating the later as a young kid, I can say the reason it invoked so much fear into me is because the whole concept doesn't make a smidge of sense.

And ignoring death does not mean you have confronted your fear of death.  For when death comes for you and you can no longer ignore it, that is the time that really matters, you'll either embrace it or fear it.

Now you're saying atheists must fear death? Fuck you, dank. I'll fear what I want, when I want, and whomever I want. Don't try to tell me I fear death. I ignore death all the time, and (judging from your posts) more than you. Stop trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't fear. You're not the boss of me.

Did I say that?  If you read the context of my word, I'm saying that spirituality or god gives people hope, it gives people peace even as they walk through the pits of hell.  From my perspective, when I was an atheist, I lost hope in life.  I became quite depressed at the thought that we just work to live for our whole life and then die into oblivion and that's the end.

Please don't skew my words, I did not say atheists can't have hope.  I'm simply stating that when you overcome fear of death and understand the eternal nature of our being, there really is nothing to fear.  And that is powerful.  How does a tyrant control a population that doesn't fear death?

Atheists can't have hope? Fuck you, dank. I'll hope when I want, where I want, and with whomever I want. Don't try to tell me I can't hope. I hope all the time, and probably more than you. Stop trying to tell me what I can and can't do. You're not the boss of me.

"Religious people can't have hope". There, I've said it. How do you like it, huh? Not so keen on being told what do? Or are you just going to go off now and not hope anymore?

What part of a totalitarian socialist society screams good to you?  I don't really enjoy when another person claims to be my supreme overlord.

I've contemplated this myself, I see how they are an enlightened group of beings, but I cannot completely see how they have good intentions for earth.  If they really wanted to build the ideal society, they would share all of their ancient knowledge and peacefully remove this fear/greed based society for a love based society.  Which means stop perpetuating wars, stop perpetuating monetary based society, and stop perpetuating inequality and elitism.

We could quite literally turn this world of hell into heaven on earth, without revolution, if we just grew up as a race.

But as it stands, I don't see them doing this.  I don't see them wanting this.


Atheism is practically 'devil' worshiping.  (Yeah, I know I'm gonna set someone off with this one).  But look at it from this perspective: the devil is ego, god is soul.  Ego is material, soul is energy.  Illuminati built an empire the revolves around materialistic ideology and science, study of the physical, measurable universe.  A society that is based off fear, greed and hatred.  And look where it's leading us; complete annihilation of our planet.  Less we change our path, which we can do, are doing and with faith, will do.

And to be honest, I don't buy that the head of illuminati are atheist at all, for if they are truly illuminated they will believe in god.  My limited experience talking to freemasonry descendants reasserts this point, them calling me the oracle and all.

I can definitely see them pushing atheism onto the masses though.  Why would they want to give a population they wish to enslave hope?  Why would they want them to become fearless of death?  Fear is what drives their power and fear, or negativity, is the basis of atheism (I don't think there's a god, I don't think that's possible, etc.)