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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 21, 2022, 01:56:16 PM

I have been playing online live blackjack on casinos long time ago and had so many crazy games and moments, i never doubted that the casino will ever try to manipulate things out since we all know that with the long run the dealer has more chances to win. But since i saw this video on tiktok were it shows an obvious cheating from a casino which i don't know or even accuse since maybe the video is made up. But it's also making me think of all the games i lost for example happened to me getting 21 not as a blackjack pair. The dealer have like a 4 then gets also a 21 in a very weird way and for multiple times in one session.
All i want to say is maybe many casinos did cheat in this way that are shown in the video before, i want you to share your thoughts about this and also if you ever catched a casino cheat in blackjack games?
I uploaded the video to YouTube: https://youtu.be/OWCXhcJoaF0

If it is a live online blackjack casino, then yes, there are several ways they can cheat and the players will never know. They can make use of the camera angle to deceive people and people are never going to realize it. They can do thing off frame and no one will be able to accuse them of anything. I always wonder why they do something like this... Why risk their reputation while in the long run they can always be making some good profit. Greed maybe? But is it worth it?

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 21, 2022, 01:56:16 PM

I have been playing online live blackjack on casinos long time ago and had so many crazy games and moments, i never doubted that the casino will ever try to manipulate things out since we all know that with the long run the dealer has more chances to win. But since i saw this video on tiktok were it shows an obvious cheating from a casino which i don't know or even accuse since maybe the video is made up. But it's also making me think of all the games i lost for example happened to me getting 21 not as a blackjack pair. The dealer have like a 4 then gets also a 21 in a very weird way and for multiple times in one session.
All i want to say is maybe many casinos did cheat in this way that are shown in the video before, i want you to share your thoughts about this and also if you ever catched a casino cheat in blackjack games?

There's two parts to what you've said that need to be deconstructed: Yes it is perfectly possible for casinos to cheat in the manner you describe, but by the very nature of the odds being slanted in their direction you are bound to see more periods of time when they are winners, often many times in a row. If you feel something is "off" in any way, you should definitely leave the casino and simply accept any prior losses - don't lose more as their are abusers like this and you can never prove it. Secondly, many people after bad losses can only think in one mindset - that of the casino being a cheat - and will seek out any kind of "evidence" that they can find which will support that theory while simply ignoring anything else presented around them, a sort of self validation spiral.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 23, 2022, 03:35:49 PM

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No need to question the video you're mentioning.

I have already spoken as well for this one, is clearly pure dumb on the player as well

Quote from: ryzaadit on November 21, 2022, 06:15:28 PM

For this case, the people who are playing on this table/casino is stupid. You want to know why?
- Random/Uknown Casino
- Shitty scanner
- Bad mic & video
- Huge card? what the f*ck is that.

The card is custom from the casino with a zero or unknown credibility, we are gambler ready to lose but doesn't mean to be stupid while you're losing the money. Sometime be smart.

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avoid any unknown / not trusted casino.
it's simple and easy. some of these tricks are very evident Sad

it means they are ready to scam people with the minimum effort possible.
In this kind of site, I have some doubts it is achievable just a minimum withdraw!

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 23, 2022, 03:35:49 PM

And the reason i believed that tiktok video because i have been playing only on Evolution blackjack tables and their scanner never have that glitch beside what i have seen with free bet blackjack if you saw their tables before where the cards can show and disappear under the table….. what made me think believe that video more

would love to see a video of this happening, would you mind sharing it if you can?

Quote from: GxSTxV on November 23, 2022, 03:35:49 PM

But this video that our friend Baofeng shared with us can’t be a glitch too, Lol it’s so funny how the dealer made that snake move
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no one is saying that this one is a glitch too, I mean, it is pretty clear what happened. betonline.ag also addressed this issue in the past when it went viral and they stopped collaborating with that "third-party Vendor", they also said to contact them if there are people who felt that they were cheated by the dealer.

check here for the whole article
https://professionalrakeback.com/betonline-blackjackgate

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 23, 2022, 02:06:44 PM

Quote from: GxSTxV on November 23, 2022, 01:45:02 PM

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Quote from: ShowOff on November 23, 2022, 01:22:16 PM

Curiosity is certainly the most detrimental disease for gamblers

Not curiosity.

Most people 90% of the gambler think, the more we lose the more we have a chance to win. They don't realize, If you playing with 50:50% chance of winning (Example you playing dice), and you got lose streak 5-10.

Doesn't matter how much lose you got, your chance win still 50:50 nothing change and there is no relationship between the lose you got. THA'T THE MOST MISTAKE GAMBLER ALL THE TIME.

You have a good point here and i think I agree with you, I personally is a victim to this believe or should i say mindset, I have always thought that while playing games like dice, keno, crash, just about any casino game, that the more i loose, the higher the chance to win the next round, which most times, I don't win until am out of funds, And this also explains why the martingale strategy most times end in disaster for most gambler, most especially the unlucky ones.
This is something every gambler should know, i think it will help us become better gamblers.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 23, 2022, 02:06:44 PM

It's funny, you responding old message but not following the latest discussion about the topic you're bringing
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Sorry mate i just got some time to read all the replies since i have been busy and i didn’t think this topic will get much attention as it turned to be many gamblers fan of live blackjack
Thank you for the clarification about what i saw in the video and it’s 100% the table scanner once the dealer passes his hands from it the light appears and looks like a card showing up while it’s not. And the reason i believed that tiktok video because i have been playing only on Evolution blackjack tables and their scanner never have that glitch beside what i have seen with free bet blackjack if you saw their tables before where the cards can show and disappear under the table….. what made me think believe that video more

But this video that our friend Baofeng shared with us can’t be a glitch too, Lol it’s so funny how the dealer made that snake move

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 23, 2022, 01:45:02 PM

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It's funny, you responding old message but not following the latest discussion about the topic you're bringing.

Me and some other user already comment about these, it's a light scanner. The scanner turn-on everytime scanning the card, you can see on the other video with a same dealer from the youtube is recording.

In every video is like that.

Quote from: ShowOff on November 23, 2022, 01:22:16 PM

Curiosity is certainly the most detrimental disease for gamblers

Not curiosity.

Most people 90% of the gambler think, the more we lose the more we have a chance to win. They don't realize, If you playing with 50:50% chance of winning (Example you playing dice), and you got lose streak 5-10.

Doesn't matter how much lose you got, your chance win still 50:50 nothing change and there is no relationship between the lose you got. THA'T THE MOST MISTAKE GAMBLER ALL THE TIME.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 21, 2022, 06:15:28 PM

For this case, the people who are playing on this table/casino is stupid. You want to know why?
- Random/Uknown Casino
- Shitty scanner
- Bad mic & video
- Huge card? what the f*ck is that.

I totally agree with that assessment. I myself am very picky about where I play and which casinos I trust. And just from a single glance at the unprofessional quality of the entire setup there are many warning signs that people should have picked up on before even joining the table. Next time they should pick a trustworthy, provably audited casino with a long and outstanding reputation.

This is basically the gamblers equivalent of falling for the Indian tech support scam. Do a little research, otherwise your money is not all that important to you and you should not whine about getting scammed if you ignore the red flags. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: gunhell16 on November 22, 2022, 07:34:24 AM

This is my assessment of what you did, If I look at the title of the topic you did dude, you show that you are accusing blackjack of being a scam.

Now when I watched the youtube video, I'm also not sure if the return of the card is what you are saying that it was fraudulent? because first, I don't play blackjack either so I'm not familiar with this game, it may be true that many casinos do scams, but even though most gamblers know that, they still continue to gamble.

So if you're a gambler and you know there's a scam going on, why would you continue to gamble if you know you're going to lose, right?

No i didn’t accuse the whole game to be a scam sorry if my title was confusing but what i meant is one specific scam that is going on with some online casinos with live blackjack game, the video shows a card appeared from the table (new card) that’s not inside the pot from where he should take a random card so obviously the cheating system is choosing cards for the deal to be in favor of the casino. Yes, people are gambling because we also know that not all people lose. Sometimes we may win big

I have been playing blackjack in different casinos but I'm glad that I haven't experienced such a situation. Maybe some casinos could cheat on that game but I don't think highly reputable casinos would do that. If you're doubting a certain casino site, you better switch to trusted and reputable casinos where you could play confidently and would be able to enjoy the entire game without doubts. Confusions may exist often times so for your peace of mind, look for a credible casino site that provides fairplay.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on November 22, 2022, 07:34:24 AM

This is my assessment of what you did, If I look at the title of the topic you did dude, you show that you are accusing blackjack of being a scam.

Now when I watched the youtube video, I'm also not sure if the return of the card is what you are saying that it was fraudulent? because first, I don't play blackjack either so I'm not familiar with this game, it may be true that many casinos do scams, but even though most gamblers know that, they still continue to gamble.

So if you're a gambler and you know there's a scam going on, why would you continue to gamble if you know you're going to lose, right?

No i didn’t accuse the whole game to be a scam sorry if my title was confusing but what i meant is one specific scam that is going on with some online casinos with live blackjack game, the video shows a card appeared from the table (new card) that’s not inside the pot from where he should take a random card so obviously the cheating system is choosing cards for the deal to be in favor of the casino. Yes people are gambling because we also know that not all people lose. Sometimes we may win big

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 21, 2022, 06:15:28 PM

He got a miss click hitting 20, guess what? AS came out and make it 21. From that scenario, everything can happen. If dealer always get 20,21,21 and go on that's mean the table is on dealer side. Why you keep playing on that table? set the limit lose or change the table.

Curiosity is certainly the most detrimental disease for gamblers, they will continue to try to find excuses and opportunities to win bets even though they have to lose many times at the same table. But unbeknownst to them, they have to leave without any win and go bankrupt. This is almost the same as when I lose a dice game, consecutive losses make me even more curious to make the next bet until my balance is completely used up.

Sometimes changing tables is the reason why luck is found in blackjack or any game based on luck. So I'm not really sure if it's some kind of scam or something, but there's always a possibility for things like this.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 23, 2022, 05:39:24 AM

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There is no relationship between the deal & provider casino.

Every deal style & communication always depends on the dealer itself, unless you're playing with "Privet Room" you can request fast or slow deal for the game. It's not a good sign they communicate with the player, that's how they is being trained.

You can win 20 a row, you can lose 20 row. Keep in mind, previous lost is not gonna to increase your chance to win for the next bet. If you gambling with 50% chance win and losing a few game, next game you're gambling still 50% chance win.

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Quote from: TravelMug on November 22, 2022, 04:47:26 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on November 22, 2022, 04:36:39 AM

I have some experience on this kind of shady outcome on blackjack from evolution gaming. On classic table, I always encounter a random player joining my table when I’m on win streak then do crazy decision making such as hitting at 19 or splitting pair of 20 then the result is dealer always get 21 just because of this dumb action of random player. I think sometimes casino injecting bot player just to destroy the flow pf the cards in case players is on win streak base on the current card arrangement on shoe deck.

Yes, if I'm not mistaken, one casino here has been accused of them, colluding in some tables, specially in poker or blackjack.

But it's just accusation and I don't know what happen to that case, but here, hard to see in the video, maybe the dealer has switch the card or some other trick that we are not aware of. In any case, we should always be careful and be attentive, just like in that video wherein it was clear as daylight that there was switch done by the dealer and you can see his reaction before he pull that stunt live.

Yeah, I’m using evolution gaming and I really like the way there dealers distribute card to players. They are slow when getting the new card out of the deck and scanning it but quick when giving it to player. They are also continuously talking to players who use the chat to communicate with them and this is a good sign that they are genuine because shady live games provider can use recorded screen to alter the result of the game without noticing it.

I remember I play on not well known provider and lose 20 hands in a row without a win. There’s no way or very rare for that to happened on a real game but it happened to them with there magic shoe deck.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 22, 2022, 03:25:28 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on November 22, 2022, 02:57:32 PM

BetOnline.ag is not really an "unknown" or a "random" casino. as far as I know they have been around for a long time, and I am not sure what having a huge card has to do with anything.

You sure?

yeah

Quote from: ryzaadit on November 22, 2022, 03:25:28 PM

Off course huge card is the problem as well, why need to have huge card while they just can customize a normal card with scanner barcode. You don't know what they're doing with customized card by them self.

I mean, they might be accommodating for people with visual impairment, so the numbers can be easily seen on the screen, etc... but I do understand your concern.

Quote from: ryzaadit on November 22, 2022, 03:25:28 PM

I already discovery the video.

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From what I can see from the original, it's just a glitch video (Could be potential because he playing with the mobile version or the scanning light ups during he scan the card). How the glitch deal happened not just at the time dealer is dealing his card but the player have the same glitch video so all same.

I think this could be it(check the image below), he also has several videos of his blackjack session on his youtube channel in the same casino with the same dealer and the same thing is happening.

you can clearly see in this image how the scanner lights up. also, watching the video OP showed again you can also clearly see that the scanner lights up too. anyway, the dealer is entertaining as hell.

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 22, 2022, 02:57:32 PM

BetOnline.ag is not really an "unknown" or a "random" casino. as far as I know they have been around for a long time, and I am not sure what having a huge card has to do with anything.

You sure?

Off course huge card is the problem as well, why need to have huge card while they just can customize a normal card with scanner barcode. You don't know what they're doing with customized card by them self.

I already discovery the video.

The video is not from @OP experience, I watching the original video from Youtuber called "KUMBARA" & the video is belong to him : https://www.tiktok.com/@kumbaracasino/video/7151741661541043502?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=6954766166129378818

From what I can see from the original, it's just a glitch video (Could be potential because he playing with the mobile version or the scanning light ups during he scan the card). How the glitch deal happened not just at the time dealer is dealing his card but the player have the same glitch video so all same.

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like ryzaadit, I'd like to see the full video too. although I see what the problem you are trying to show us(and I am leaning toward that something fishy is going on) it's still quite hard to make a decision base on an edited video alone.

Quote from: ryzaadit on November 21, 2022, 06:15:28 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on November 21, 2022, 05:10:17 PM

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For this case, the people who are playing on this table/casino is stupid. You want to know why?
- Random/Uknown Casino
- Shitty scanner
- Bad mic & video
- Huge card? what the f*ck is that.

BetOnline.ag is not really an "unknown" or a "random" casino. as far as I know they have been around for a long time, and I am not sure what having a huge card has to do with anything.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 21, 2022, 01:56:16 PM

I have been playing online live blackjack on casinos long time ago and had so many crazy games and moments, i never doubted that the casino will ever try to manipulate things out since we all know that with the long run the dealer has more chances to win. But since i saw this video on tiktok were it shows an obvious cheating from a casino which i don't know or even accuse since maybe the video is made up. But it's also making me think of all the games i lost for example happened to me getting 21 not as a blackjack pair. The dealer have like a 4 then gets also a 21 in a very weird way and for multiple times in one session.
All i want to say is maybe many casinos did cheat in this way that are shown in the video before, i want you to share your thoughts about this and also if you ever catched a casino cheat in blackjack games?
I uploaded the video to YouTube: https://youtu.be/OWCXhcJoaF0

I'm not too sure about this, I rarely play Blackjack. maybe only a few times, when I get bored with other types of betting games. however, in my opinion this game is no different from the game Baccarat, and I prefer this type of Baccarat game. if you only see and refer only to this tiktok source, what's more, this video only lasts a matter of seconds. and not necessarily certain, this video is in an actual casino.

I replayed the video that you shared more than 50 times. there was a slight discrepancy, then I tried to compare it with some of the videos on the YouTube channel. there are some differences from the style. my conclusion, this tiktok video is the result of engineering. however, if only the video on tiktok was true. you can do some experiments and document them. then you can study it and analyze it from video editing.

however, personally I don't think the casino will do dirty tricks like the example from the tiktok video you shared. in particular, our favorite casinos, because they have a reputation to rely on. and if there are things that smell of cheating, we will automatically get defeated in a short time. however, I have never experienced that throughout my experience playing at the Stakecom casino

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 21, 2022, 01:56:16 PM

I have been playing online live blackjack on casinos long time ago and had so many crazy games and moments, i never doubted that the casino will ever try to manipulate things out since we all know that with the long run the dealer has more chances to win. But since i saw this video on tiktok were it shows an obvious cheating from a casino which i don't know or even accuse since maybe the video is made up. But it's also making me think of all the games i lost for example happened to me getting 21 not as a blackjack pair. The dealer have like a 4 then gets also a 21 in a very weird way and for multiple times in one session.
All i want to say is maybe many casinos did cheat in this way that are shown in the video before, i want you to share your thoughts about this and also if you ever catched a casino cheat in blackjack games?
I uploaded the video to YouTube: https://youtu.be/OWCXhcJoaF0

I have never played blackjack games online I thought it would be difficult for them. The owner of the gambling site would play cheating, but logically of course the house won't let you win either, but if the game is done unfairly, of course, it's not random people who use such techniques. definitely trained to work on that gambling site, online and offline I think it's the same there is no difference, I prefer to play with football bets than playing blackjack online

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Quote from: GxSTxV on November 21, 2022, 01:56:16 PM

I have been playing online live blackjack on casinos long time ago and had so many crazy games and moments, i never doubted that the casino will ever try to manipulate things out since we all know that with the long run the dealer has more chances to win. But since i saw this video on tiktok were it shows an obvious cheating from a casino which i don't know or even accuse since maybe the video is made up. But it's also making me think of all the games i lost for example happened to me getting 21 not as a blackjack pair. The dealer have like a 4 then gets also a 21 in a very weird way and for multiple times in one session.
All i want to say is maybe many casinos did cheat in this way that are shown in the video before, i want you to share your thoughts about this and also if you ever catched a casino cheat in blackjack games?
I uploaded the video to YouTube: https://youtu.be/OWCXhcJoaF0

This is my assessment of what you did, If I look at the title of the topic you did dude, you show that you are accusing blackjack of being a scam.

Now when I watched the youtube video, I'm also not sure if the return of the card is what you are saying that it was fraudulent? because first, I don't play blackjack either so I'm not familiar with this game, it may be true that many casinos do scams, but even though most gamblers know that, they still continue to gamble.

So if you're a gambler and you know there's a scam going on, why would you continue to gamble if you know you're going to lose, right?

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