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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on July 19, 2020, 12:57:04 AM

He won't probably reply again here because it seems that he lost and got furstrated and make a post about scams in online gambling.

This sums it up.

He was angry so he had to spread his crap here, thinking that he will feel better. If he was serious he would at least share the name of that casino that "robbed" and a few screenshots. (but even that wouldn't be proper proof but at least we would know it actually happened) But since he did none of those things, it was just some random guy that couldn't take loosing few satoshis.

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Quote from: target on July 18, 2020, 03:42:24 PM

Provide proof so that we'd know which casino you are talking about. You can't just expect us to stop playing to all casinos we encounter all because you warned us you experienced the horrific losing streak of your life.

This thread is in scam accusation, you need to provide proof to whichever this gambling site is because its not normal to just accuse all of them.

He won't probably reply again here because it seems that he lost and got furstrated and make a post about scams in online gambling. This is a routine now that we see newbies coming here and posting something wrong about the casino (sometimes providing the casino name too) and disappear. They don't have valid proofs to defend themselves.

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Provide proof so that we'd know which casino you are talking about. You can't just expect us to stop playing to all casinos we encounter all because you warned us you experienced the horrific losing streak of your life.

This thread is in scam accusation, you need to provide proof to whichever this gambling site is because its not normal to just accuse all of them.

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

There's no basis on your post because you have no proof, you don't even have a screenshot you are just a guy who had a very bad day gambling all his money when you should only gamble what you can afford to lose and just get entertain, this is what happens to anyone who do not control his gambling habit.

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 18, 2020, 11:25:48 AM

are you saying that the players can't get lucky and win? on multiple occasions i leave the casino with hundred and sometimes thousands in winnings. you can easily win despite house edge.

So what is the point of this scam accusation, you did not mention the site that you were not lucky Tongue

. If you are not able to verify your rolls then you can start an accusation. I understand the lock down situation and the frustration of loosing your money is forcing you to start a thread and now you can close this thread as you are well aware of your situation and how Provably fair algorithms works, if not take your time to learn about that so that you will understand your calculation was bullshit Wink

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 18, 2020, 01:01:37 PM

Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

The gambling sites are not scams but actually the gambling is a risky game. As told number of times before you should only play gambling with the extra money or the money which you can afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose the money and still lose in gambling, then we see such a reaction form many people here.

You can see this happen constantly with problem gamblers. Rather than admit that they made a brash and poor decision, the addiction is softened with a simple rationalization against the casino: "they were scamming me" or "the games are rigged" come up so often that you would have expected this to be a slogan for gamblers somewhere.

The simple fact of the matter is: if you are gambling, expect the worst. People who do not embrace the possibility of a loss are at risk of facing a much more significant and intensified dejected state than if they were to consider the bankroll they were playing with "burned".

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

The gambling sites are not scams but actually the gambling is a risky game. As told number of times before you should only play gambling with the extra money or the money which you can afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose the money and still lose in gambling, then we see such a reaction form many people here.

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Quote from: MarbleBoss on July 18, 2020, 12:05:34 PM

Probability might not always be in your favor. 25 is not a sample to consider. But, sites that require registration, may track your bet behavior and generate seed accordingly, though it might be boomerang as well.

If we have a server seed/client seed + nonce system then there is no way that a website can always have the upper hand, as long as you decide to do your due diligence and change up your seeds at least once.

The nonce part of it cements that: stops them from changing server seeds on the fly and modifying the results to best favor the casino.

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

Probability might not always be in your favor. 25 is not a sample to consider. But, sites that require registration, may track your bet behavior and generate seed accordingly, though it might be boomerang as well.

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 18, 2020, 11:25:48 AM

are you saying that the players can't get lucky and win? on multiple occasions i leave the casino with hundred and sometimes thousands in winnings. you can easily win despite house edge.

The eventuality of statistics, by which I mean the "end" of an infinite series of results generated with the house edge in mind. You will eventually bust, assuming that you do not gain the entirety of the casino's bankroll before the casino gets yours. It's a zero-sum game, and you're losing every time you play. Imagine you play a single game with a fair 50-50 coin flip. If you win, you get 2x. If you lose, you get 0x. If you played your entire bankroll, you will have a 50% chance of losing it. Now, if we stretch these bets over an infinite number of times and if we decrease the bet sizes, we still may inevitably encounter a series of losses that decreases our bankroll to zero. If we then incorporate house edge, this only becomes a statistical inevitability.

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 18, 2020, 11:25:48 AM

are you saying that the players can't get lucky and win? on multiple occasions i leave the casino with hundred and sometimes thousands in winnings. you can easily win despite house edge.

Players do get lucky and they win, but they don't stop. Instead they push their luck and more often than not they loose everything. Today you may win and get out of the casino with money, but tomorrow you will come back and loose all you won previous day, and a bit extra. Casinos count on human greed, they don't have to rig anything.

There are some that are able to control themselves, have a plan and stick to it, but those are professional gamblers and they are extremely rare.

Quote from: actmyname on July 18, 2020, 10:54:27 AM

Even if the RTP was infinitesimally close to 100%, the reason that a gambler loses is because their wagered amount continues to increase against games with house edges. Degenerate gambling consists of playing until they bust, and then making up some rationalization to justify their constant play. Eh.

Yep. All they remember is the times they lost the money, but not when they won, but they had to keep pushing their luck, until they run out of it. People have impression that casinos are basically robbing people off and have huge profits, while reality is completely different (talking about brick&mortar casinos).

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Quote from: Bitstarzisascam on July 17, 2020, 08:54:34 PM

House always wins at the end of the day, no matter what you do buddy. Grin

not always, i win on many sites on many sessions all the time.

Quote from: Maus0728 on July 18, 2020, 08:53:37 AM

Also, the correct question would be, is the website you are playing with is legit and known by many cryptocurrency gamblers? Huh

Yes all the sites I play on are popular. I see posts about them here all the time, including some scam accusations that are always denied

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 17, 2020, 05:56:17 PM

All day long i used to listen gamblers complaining how some slot machine is rigged, that they never get any money back and then at the end of the month when I checked, RTP was always above 90%.

Even if the RTP was infinitesimally close to 100%, the reason that a gambler loses is because their wagered amount continues to increase against games with house edges. Degenerate gambling consists of playing until they bust, and then making up some rationalization to justify their constant play. Eh.

Can't beat the eventuality of statistics, regardless of your variance.

(well, maybe you can get lucky enough in your life to beat the casino, but you would be in the minority)

are you saying that the players can't get lucky and win? on multiple occasions i leave the casino with hundred and sometimes thousands in winnings. you can easily win despite house edge.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 17, 2020, 05:56:17 PM

All day long i used to listen gamblers complaining how some slot machine is rigged, that they never get any money back and then at the end of the month when I checked, RTP was always above 90%.

Even if the RTP was infinitesimally close to 100%, the reason that a gambler loses is because their wagered amount continues to increase against games with house edges. Degenerate gambling consists of playing until they bust, and then making up some rationalization to justify their constant play. Eh.

Can't beat the eventuality of statistics, regardless of your variance.

(well, maybe you can get lucky enough in your life to beat the casino, but you would be in the minority)

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Most of the casino from where I have played includes bet validator, like for example in YOLOdice, [1] https://github.com/ethan-nx/yolodice-validator this tool can help you determine whether the website you are playing with hasn't cheated on you.

Also, the correct question would be, is the website you are playing with is legit and known by many cryptocurrency gamblers? Huh

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Quote from: Bitstarzisascam on July 17, 2020, 08:54:34 PM

House always wins at the end of the day, no matter what you do buddy. Grin

No, don't say this way, don't think in the wrong direction, think scientifically

Most current casinos prove fairness in their algorithm. We always say jokingly that the house always wins, it is true because the profit the house gets is based on the difference between the bet and the profit. It's called the house fee. So, the house always wins based on the cost they get, not on the algorithm. Your statement based on this topic is wrong, because its meaning is to assert the fraud of the house Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

House always wins at the end of the day, no matter what you do buddy. Grin

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

Since you are pissed off because you lost some money, I would say that you are exaggerating the amount of times you lost, and percentage of that happening. But even if that happened, tough luck.

I worked in casinos for years and I can tell you that they are not rigged, and they don't even have to be, as all they have to do is rely on human nature. And humans are greedy, as simple as that.
All day long i used to listen gamblers complaining how some slot machine is rigged, that they never get any money back and then at the end of the month when I checked, RTP was always above 90%.

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Quote from: owlcatz on July 17, 2020, 03:12:58 PM

If you had the brains and did your research, most popular sites can prove they are "provably fair". What site are you talking about? Stop rage posting, and start with some evidence. Tongue

Not only that, but this feels like another degen gambler rant. Ever notice they always seem to have a problem with the fact that they lost, and are trying to rationalize the very probabilistic outcome with some universal evil, or someone out to get them? "These casinos are scammers" or "not provably fair, rigged!" always says much more about the person than about the casino they are playing at.

Just because it's a rare event doesn't mean it can't happen, and sometimes, you get unlucky. Too bad, OP.

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Quote from: Diddlydiddlydoo on July 17, 2020, 01:43:15 PM

i lost maybe 25 times in a row when i had a 75% percent of winning! i only bet 5 times when i hit the massive loss streak right from the get go. If you look at the math there's only a 1% chance or so of this happening, clearly they saw I was rolling high percent win and they just made me lose. NEVER PLAY ON THESE "FAIR" SITES! SCAMMERS!

Same thoughts crossed my mind alot of times.
I was playing dice, and i had like a 98% chance to win, and i would loose every 5 or 10 rolls. Statistically should not happen, but it does.

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If you have time, lurk at these threads to somehow feed your mind:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-is-a-provably-fair-and-how-does-it-work-5150219
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/provably-fair-dice-real-or-bulshit-1444937
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161236.80

Sorry for your loss though. It's gambling.

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