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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM

Don't rely on fact checking websites (and mainstream media). DYOR is still the best practice since the paper usually available on the internet. Don't use research paper as the bible with utmost truth, since many things can influence the research. Funding is one of it. You still have to trust the integrity of the researchers, and the validity and reliability of the instruments. And don't think that when you don't have the degree, you cannot ask questions.

There are two types of "misinformation" (1) Baseless claim obvious false information, and (2) Dissenting/opposing views. It's safe to put (1) into the trash can, but I encourage you to dig (2) for more useful insight.

On the one hand, I see where you're coming from, and I understand what exactly you mean. However, most fact-checkers I've used cite their sources at the bottom of the article, enabling you to check the legibility/validity of their claims. Doing your own research can be conducted along with using fact-checkers, to assist you in your investigation.

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Don't rely on fact checking websites (and mainstream media). DYOR is still the best practice since the paper usually available on the internet. Don't use research paper as the bible with utmost truth, since many things can influence the research. Funding is one of it. You still have to trust the integrity of the researchers, and the validity and reliability of the instruments. And don't think that when you don't have the degree, you cannot ask questions.

There are two types of "misinformation" (1) Baseless claim obvious false information, and (2) Dissenting/opposing views. It's safe to put (1) into the trash can, but I encourage you to dig (2) for more useful insight.

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Quote from: semobo on August 18, 2021, 07:56:44 AM

The creativity of the people increased a lot that is the thing we can witness from such viral spread of wrong/framed news.

Even news channels reported wrong information and newspaper as well but at that time we didn't evaluate because we accept that as a source itself but now the same internet proves what is right and wrong so basically don't click the share button if you believe it just do it only if you can authenticate it.

There have been quite a few instances of TV channels showing videos of older events, or from events that had no correlation with the reported subject. I'm following a national website called Greek Hoaxes. There were quite a few instances, were a specific channel was showing events from other countries, or from several years ago.

Link: https://www.ellinikahoaxes.gr/2021/01/06/epiphany-older-video-from-naxos-shown-as-current/

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I use fact checking websites like https://www.factcheck.org/. You type in what you have read like if plants can cure a disease and they only give you credible research and do not inject any bias into their answer. It is not perfect because it does always have all the answers but it is the best resource for checking if what you are reading is misinformation.

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The creativity of the people increased a lot that is the thing we can witness from such viral spread of wrong/framed news.

Even news channels reported wrong information and newspaper as well but at that time we didn't evaluate because we accept that as a source itself but now the same internet proves what is right and wrong so basically don't click the share button if you believe it just do it only if you can authenticate it.

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Quote from: CryptocurencyKing on August 16, 2021, 04:17:16 PM

The internet plays the role it was meant to and it does it well actually but, you can't blame the misuse of this resource by some persons. The point most persons don't get is the fact that, those that are posting these informations on the net are you and I. Not everyone is some professional of some sort and as such, some users could just post what they want to attract clicks or views and get incentives for generating traffic. It's where the media people and bloggers explore the most.
It's a thing of importance, especially when it's got to do with health and security that you verify when it doesn't agree well with you than, jumping in to believe what ever you want because, you want it to be appealing yo you. It's another way to mess yourself up.

I agree with you,but believe me,even the experts and professionals pass or give wrong information, misinterpretation of information by you and I is very common because we don't care to research before posting it online.Most atimes it is done to add spices to an already existed information and in the process go off the topic line.
Moreover,when information are dessiminated to the heterogenous public,there are people ,bloggers that are against the personnels in that information,therefore take advantage of the news and try to tanish their image by providing wrong information about such people,some of them are paid to do so.

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Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 12:58:12 AM

And the most annoying is that, typically your aunt/s or uncle/s are the one spreading this to your family group conversation. Like they are saying "Look at this, I am concerned about you guys so I will spread nonsense that may help you"

Dude, you're on point. It was exactly my aunt that told my brother who got vaccinated that vaccines got magnets and you'll gain magnetism. Well, nothing has happened and he's completely vaccinated. I find it funny though but I don't want to speak it to her up directly.
These conspiracies are everywhere, what's next is going to be the new sets of viruses that are being found elsewhere and being reported by the media, a different virus other than covid-19.

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I think it's better to observe rather than to listen the news directly. Online Misinformation leads us into wrong mind set and wrong information , accepting information directly are doesn't mean it's not good but I think it's depend if the information is relevant and reliable maybe that the time to believe the news to avoid mis interpret.

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The internet plays the role it was meant to and it does it well actually but, you can't blame the misuse of this resource by some persons. The point most persons don't get is the fact that, those that are posting these informations on the net are you and I. Not everyone is some professional of some sort and as such, some users could just post what they want to attract clicks or views and get incentives for generating traffic. It's where the media people and bloggers explore the most.
It's a thing of importance, especially when it's got to do with health and security that you verify when it doesn't agree well with you than, jumping in to believe what ever you want because, you want it to be appealing yo you. It's another way to mess yourself up.

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Quote from: arielbit on August 15, 2021, 02:21:39 AM

talking about online misinformation, i have first hand information of false data/misinformation about covid.

the helper, the neighbor, an acquaintance and my parents friends and helper. These hospitals are so very reluctant to label covid to their patients.

the data is skewed folks! the poor is being bribed for free cremation and expenses just to agree on paper that the cause of death is covid.

This happens to many countries and it happens since way back the start of pandemic.

What I've heard according to one of the people is that this kind of (what do we call it bribery? negotiation?) happens to access the funds allocated for covid victims. The key for this ideas is that ONLY covid patients will be granted to have something for this funds, so by twisting other patients death or disease, the family may receive the grants from the government.

Believe me or not, my relative once has a situation similar to this where her diagnosis is not in range for the insurance so they talk to the doctor about it and they twist the diagnosis for the sake of that insurance.

Another thing, its is not misinformation, rather faking

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Quote from: arielbit on August 15, 2021, 02:21:39 AM

talking about online misinformation, i have first hand information of false data/misinformation about covid.

the helper, the neighbor, an acquaintance and my parents friends and helper. These hospitals are so very reluctant to label covid to their patients.

the data is skewed folks! the poor is being bribed for free cremation and expenses just to agree on paper that the cause of death is covid.

Reminds me of something I was reading about the 'vaccine trials' in India. The participants only got paid at the end of the trial. When a participant died, a family member would often fill in so they could get the money. The reasoning was that the victim was dead anyway and it was better to get the money than nothing at all.

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talking about online misinformation, i have first hand information of false data/misinformation about covid.

the helper, the neighbor, an acquaintance and my parents friends and helper. These hospitals are so very reluctant to label covid to their patients.

the data is skewed folks! the poor is being bribed for free cremation and expenses just to agree on paper that the cause of death is covid.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 14, 2021, 11:58:21 PM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

One of these so-called doctors was arrested a few months ago, here in Greece. He would suggest his herbal and miracle stuff, for an extraordinary amount of money, to supposedly cure cancer and other diseases. He even persuaded his victims to stop other therapies, such as chemotherapy, which accounted for several deaths, which are purely his fault.

damn, that is extremely similar to what happened here in the Philippines. people who bought the herbal medicine don't want to go to the hospital because they believe that the miracle plant would be enough. and yeah, people have died believing that the herbal medicine being sold to them would cure them.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

It's astonishing that people end up believing fake doctors and therapies in their despair.

yep

Found the article/source of what I mentioned. He's been charged with 3 deaths of cancer patients, two of whom were minors, only 14 and 16 years old respectively, and a 76-year-old man. I hadn't read about the ages before, it made me sick to my stomach. How can someone have absolutely zero consciousness?

Source: https://greekreporter.com/2020/06/23/fake-doctor-charged-for-causing-three-deaths-in-greece/

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Quote from: arielbit on August 15, 2021, 02:00:03 AM

in the last few days i've been working on someplace where i can setup mining, the helper just received a call, a relative called, a child 9 months old has a difficulty breathing. a bit panicky, told me he doesn't want to bring the child to hospital (no trust). i asked him what will you do? he said steam inhalation, i asked-water with what?, he said with salt. I said no, use artemisia, just pluck from your garden and steam inhale it.

basically steam inhalation brings essential oils with it (steam distillation).

later he came back smiling, the child is now okay he said, the phlegm was coughed out and mucus flowed out from the nose.

just like any pulmonary ailments that clogs breathing covid or not, what you need is just to keep on breathing.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 14, 2021, 11:58:21 PM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

One of these so-called doctors was arrested a few months ago, here in Greece. He would suggest his herbal and miracle stuff, for an extraordinary amount of money, to supposedly cure cancer and other diseases. He even persuaded his victims to stop other therapies, such as chemotherapy, which accounted for several deaths, which are purely his fault.

damn, that is extremely similar to what happened here in the Philippines. people who bought the herbal medicine don't want to go to the hospital because they believe that the miracle plant would be enough. and yeah, people have died believing that the herbal medicine being sold to them would cure them.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

It's astonishing that people end up believing fake doctors and therapies in their despair.

yep

As best I can tell, in the case of one doctor at least, many people used her wares in part because they simply didn't have the money for the medicines released by the multi-national pharmaceutical companies. It was herbal remedies or nothing for these people.

Said doctor left in the middle of the night because, according to her, she was tipped off by the equiv of the FBI that the 'security detail' allotted to the FDA director was about to assassinate her and her husband. Like that night! Within a few weeks of her getting the hell out of Dodge her medicinal herb farm was plowed under.

https://governmentph.com/open-letter-of-dr-farrah-agustin-bunch/

I know from personal experience that it is pointless to 'go to the hospital' because even if one is about to die, they will turn you away to die in the street. I got a very sick girl in the door by showing a recent 'covid test', by swearing a blue streak and freaking out the staff, and paying about 300,000 peso for 10 days of care. 300,000 peso would be about 12 years at median per-capita income of $478 in the country.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

One of these so-called doctors was arrested a few months ago, here in Greece. He would suggest his herbal and miracle stuff, for an extraordinary amount of money, to supposedly cure cancer and other diseases. He even persuaded his victims to stop other therapies, such as chemotherapy, which accounted for several deaths, which are purely his fault.

damn, that is extremely similar to what happened here in the Philippines. people who bought the herbal medicine don't want to go to the hospital because they believe that the miracle plant would be enough. and yeah, people have died believing that the herbal medicine being sold to them would cure them.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

It's astonishing that people end up believing fake doctors and therapies in their despair.

yep

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The solution to 'online mis-information' is rather straightforward really. Just foster a culture of questioning and encourage the use of tools which facilitate it (e.g., logical reasoning, factual data, etc.) This will NEVER happen though because governance relies on 'controlling the narrative' by basically lying to people when it is most efficient to do so. and that does not work efficiently if the peeps have any questions.

The best 'middle ground' is to outlaw questioning of things which support 'the narrative', and mandating the belief of things which are in support of it. For instance, you are a thought criminal if you don't know for sure that 'exactly six million Jews'(tm) were smoked by the Nazis. Or if you don't know for sure that vaccines are 'safe and effective'.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 14, 2021, 04:10:08 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on August 14, 2021, 03:01:30 PM

Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 12:58:12 AM

And the most annoying is that, typically your aunt/s or uncle/s are the one spreading this to your family group conversation. Like they are saying "Look at this, I am concerned about you guys so I will spread nonsense that may help you"

this reminds me of an online drama between a Doctor debunking "miracle" plants and another Doctor that sells herbal medicine and also, claims that she graduated from Harvard(she took a Harvard online class about optimal nutrition for $49). the issue got more serious when one of the doctors sued the other for defamation(or something like that). if you are curious about the drama. just search "doc adam and doc Farrah issue".

One of these so-called doctors was arrested a few months ago, here in Greece. He would suggest his herbal and miracle stuff, for an extraordinary amount of money, to supposedly cure cancer and other diseases. He even persuaded his victims to stop other therapies, such as chemotherapy, which accounted for several deaths, which are purely his fault.

It's astonishing that people end up believing fake doctors and therapies in their despair.

People who are often in desperate position always look for the "MIRACLE" that can ease/cure their disease. Miracle is a word that will make a people who believes strongly in religion think about what they are talking about.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 14, 2021, 03:01:30 PM

Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 12:58:12 AM

And the most annoying is that, typically your aunt/s or uncle/s are the one spreading this to your family group conversation. Like they are saying "Look at this, I am concerned about you guys so I will spread nonsense that may help you"

this reminds me of an online drama between a Doctor debunking "miracle" plants and another Doctor that sells herbal medicine and also, claims that she graduated from Harvard(she took a Harvard online class about optimal nutrition for $49). the issue got more serious when one of the doctors sued the other for defamation(or something like that). if you are curious about the drama. just search "doc adam and doc Farrah issue".

One of these so-called doctors was arrested a few months ago, here in Greece. He would suggest his herbal and miracle stuff, for an extraordinary amount of money, to supposedly cure cancer and other diseases. He even persuaded his victims to stop other therapies, such as chemotherapy, which accounted for several deaths, which are purely his fault.

It's astonishing that people end up believing fake doctors and therapies in their despair.

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Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 12:58:12 AM

And the most annoying is that, typically your aunt/s or uncle/s are the one spreading this to your family group conversation. Like they are saying "Look at this, I am concerned about you guys so I will spread nonsense that may help you"

this reminds me of an online drama between a Doctor debunking "miracle" plants and another Doctor that sells herbal medicine and also, claims that she graduated from Harvard(she took a Harvard online class about optimal nutrition for $49). the issue got more serious when one of the doctors sued the other for defamation(or something like that). if you are curious about the drama. just search "doc adam and doc Farrah issue".

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