Topic: Online quiz to see if you are more "left, right, Authoritarian or Libertarian" - page 4. (Read 12321 times)
October 20, 2013, 01:25:49 AM
My left-right looks about right, but it seems I'm frighteningly authoritarian compared to what I thought.
October 20, 2013, 12:49:40 AM
Can anyone explain what Left and Right means politically without using another political ideology or precept to do so?
In this graph, left means "social" (let's share all the stuff we have), and right means "market" (you gotta work and earn if you want something).
If this were true, the bottom left quadrant would not exist.
To me the terms left and right are meaningless. If left includes socialism I'm against it and if right includes conservatism and xenophobia I'm against that as well. I'm a libertarian adding left or right to that classification is meaningless in my opinion.
October 19, 2013, 11:04:48 PM
you don't think Mises, Friedman and Hayek were right wingers? i disagree.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Left and right are far too loose terms. As stated above by others you can't put everyone in either the left or right camp. It's just a silly division.
October 19, 2013, 09:46:55 PM
I also noted, when you look at the US election 2012 graph and analysis they call Ron Paul's economic views "extreme". I guess in a system where counterfeiting is considered normal they are extreme.
Yep. Extremely dishonest? Why, that'll be dead in the center! Honest and prudent by every long term historical standard? Bit of an out-lier, let's put you falling off the edge of the scale.
I'm quite happy to be in the purple quadrant. It's the only one where no other politicians are and if that picture graph is true, where sensible thinkers like Mises, Friedman and Hayek reside. If they want to put the right label on me, then that's up to them but it doesn't mean I have much, if anything, in common with right-wing ideologues.
I wouldn't want to be associated with the people in the green quadrant. While they have some good ideas they also have a lot of bad ideas. And, according to the graph, I'm more liberal and willing to accept more social freedoms than they are (I'm lower on the y axis).
October 19, 2013, 09:41:12 PM
I also noted, when you look at the US election 2012 graph and analysis they call Ron Paul's economic views "extreme". I guess in a system where counterfeiting is considered normal they are extreme.
Yep. Extremely dishonest? Why, that'll be dead in the center! Honest and prudent by every long term historical standard? Bit of an out-lier, let's put you falling off the edge of the scale.
I'm quite happy to be in the purple quadrant. It's the only one where no other politicians are and if that picture graph is true, where sensible thinkers like Mises, Friedman and Hayek reside. If they want to put the right label on me, then that's up to them but it doesn't mean I have much, if anything, in common with right-wing ideologues.
I wouldn't want to be associated with the people in the green quadrant. While they have some good ideas they also have a lot of bad ideas. And, according to the graph, I'm more liberal and willing to accept more social freedoms than they are (I'm lower on the y axis).
October 19, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
Can anyone explain what Left and Right means politically without using another political ideology or precept to do so?
In this graph, left means "social" (let's share all the stuff we have), and right means "market" (you gotta work and earn if you want something).
10 BTC to the first successful attempt.
tnx.
October 19, 2013, 12:27:41 PM
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85
October 19, 2013, 12:06:19 PM
I also noted, when you look at the US election 2012 graph and analysis they call Ron Paul's economic views "extreme". I guess in a system where counterfeiting is considered normal they are extreme.
Yep. Extremely dishonest? Why, that'll be dead in the center! Honest and prudent by every long term historical standard? Bit of an out-lier, let's put you falling off the edge of the scale.
I need to stop reading this thread, this voice in my head keeps screaming "LEFT AND RIGHT IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY, TELL THEM AGAIN!" And then I realise that Severian talking about suckers at the poker game got it right, there's a lot of moths still flocking to the flame of this bogus paradigm.
Can anyone explain what Left and Right means politically without using another political ideology or precept to do so? 10 BTC to the first successful attempt. Although I strongly encourage you to consider that the eventual cognoscens of the left-right enchantment to be your reward, as you can only actually succeed in getting me to argue against you
October 19, 2013, 05:36:04 AM
Thanks OP, interesting Quiz. Looks like I am right at home with Dalai Lama, Mandela and Hollande 
October 18, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
You probably didn't use the strongly options much. I used them more often than not.
I used strongly a fair bit. Accept for the things I didn't have too much of an opinion on or didn't completely agree or disagree with. In which case I went to the respective regular agree or disagree depending on which I was slightly teetering toward more.
October 18, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
You probably didn't use the strongly options much. I used them more often than not.
October 18, 2013, 10:33:41 PM
Economic Left/Right: 0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38
Meh, kind of dissapointed, just about like everything else in my life, I'm fairly neutral. I don't care what people do as long as they aren't effecting me in some way or the other. I don't care if people are gay, I don't want regulators doing what the average individual can figure out for themselves, and I think that the individual should be completely entitled to what they have if they can go out and get their own. The wealthy often times deserve to be wealthy and the lazy are often broke. Of course, there are exceptions, such as the spoiled entitled celebrities that have never done anything (Paris Hilton) and the hard working individual stuck in a middle or lower class rut. I'm pro local government. I'm fine with paying taxes for services that I'm recieving, clean drinking water, sanitation services, etc, but the collective communities taxes should go toward 95+% funding those things, and paying wages to the workers that provide them, with a 1-5% excess that can be kept for a rainy day or something like that.
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38
Meh, kind of dissapointed, just about like everything else in my life, I'm fairly neutral. I don't care what people do as long as they aren't effecting me in some way or the other. I don't care if people are gay, I don't want regulators doing what the average individual can figure out for themselves, and I think that the individual should be completely entitled to what they have if they can go out and get their own. The wealthy often times deserve to be wealthy and the lazy are often broke. Of course, there are exceptions, such as the spoiled entitled celebrities that have never done anything (Paris Hilton) and the hard working individual stuck in a middle or lower class rut. I'm pro local government. I'm fine with paying taxes for services that I'm recieving, clean drinking water, sanitation services, etc, but the collective communities taxes should go toward 95+% funding those things, and paying wages to the workers that provide them, with a 1-5% excess that can be kept for a rainy day or something like that.
October 18, 2013, 09:36:22 PM
Last time I took this, I was right down the center line, just above libertarian. Now it's right? I still answered all the sex, gays, and religion questions the same way. I guess this relfects me being a tad more pro-business/free market? I didn't think my views changed all that much in the last 6 months.
I notice that, in the example of famous people on that chart, there is no one in the purple section. Likewise, I don't see Ayn Rand on there, or pretty much any business or economist types
I answered all the sex and religion questions the same way too. I'm certainly nowhere near traditional right-wing when it comes to these issues. I'm much closer to the liberal left on these issues.
The x-axis is the economic I think, which is why you and I still ended up down the bottom on the social issues, but I still think the right/left labels are misleading.
I also noted, when you look at the US election 2012 graph and analysis they call Ron Paul's economic views "extreme". I guess in a system where counterfeiting is considered normal they are extreme.
I get the feeling that those on the right actually are more interested in economic freedom than those who end up on the left by the test's standards. And that those at the bottom care more about social freedoms than those at the top. But there were also some questions that I thought weren't worded very well and could be interpreted incorrectly or some that set up a false dichotomy, particularly the corporation ones.
October 18, 2013, 09:10:25 PM
These people only prove themselves fittest for one thing: deception.
There's an old saying: If you can't tell who the sucker is at a poker game, it's you. It wasn't until I was in my adulthood that I realized that when thinking of the price of Liberty being eternal vigilance, the vigilance part is admonishing us, "Don't be a sucker."
Deceivers can't help but deceive. It's what they do. But people don't have to be suckers, yet so many choose to be.
October 18, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
I notice that, in the example of famous people on that chart, there is no one in the purple section. Likewise, I don't see Ayn Rand on there, or pretty much any business or economist types
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%21images+political+compass+ayn+rand
disagree though, she likes authority, as long as it's "private".
October 18, 2013, 06:14:41 PM
Absolutely agree. I am labelled left wing because I support gay marriage and right wing because I believe in the rule of law. Stupid labels create a contradiction where there is none.
“I'm a registered Republican, I only seem liberal because I believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.”
I suspect FirstAscent may be positive...
Yeah, I got it wrong, but seriously doubt we see positive Y.
October 18, 2013, 05:48:51 PM
Neat.
October 18, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
There's two kinds of people in political life: those who think they're fit to rule others and those who prefer to rule themselves. Unthinking people get ruled by the first group.
And painting the "unfit" into ideological corners, telling them how they should define themselves has got to be amongst the most insidious method the "fit" have devised. It's up there with currency that's based on the value of their thuggery.
These people only prove themselves fittest for one thing: deception.
October 18, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
So far everyone seems to be unified as being in the libertarian section on this board.
That's why I've never liked the BS right/left/conservative/liberal labels as pushed by mass culture.
There's two kinds of people in political life: those who think they're fit to rule others and those who prefer to rule themselves. Unthinking people get ruled by the first group.
October 18, 2013, 05:29:58 PM
"The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians."
-George Orwell
-George Orwell
Interesting quote!!
So far everyone seems to be unified as being in the libertarian section on this board.
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