Topic: Only 1.6% (!!!) of USD Bitcoin trading volume is real. 98.4% dollar volume fake! - page 2. (Read 638 times)

People already addressed it, but exchanges are used more for day trading and small purchases, and stablecoins are more convenient for that purpose.

That doesn't mean cold hard cash isn't flowing into the market though, if that's the concern. OTC exchanges exist, and they apparently have a larger volume than traditional exchanges.

there is something wrong here, and that thing is your title. you are NOT talking about bitcoin trading volume in USD, you are talking about the number that a shitty website called coinmarketcap.com reports and that number is not fake, it is just not what you are looking for.
it is like if you looked at the date and time of this post and think it is the bitcoin price!!!
the number that website reports is the sum of a bunch of irrelevant markets which includes both bitcoin/USD pairs, bitcoin/Tether pairs, bitcoin/other stable coins, and even bitcoin/some altcoins like LTC pairs!

To be fair he did say USD and not "all currencies". As I understood the intended comparison here is between USD and stablecoins, not overall fiat money.

USDT is named after USD after all!

I am agree with you, this is a time bomb who is going to explode... This tricky market has tokens as it bases, and this will take us to nowhere, so, be carefull with this bubble and play it smart, because when the crash comes, it will do it hard.

I experience this in an exchange in Japan, when I was trading a particular coin last year, I do experience a sudden pump and a sudden dump, should I set a sell order, another maker will quicker topple my order and mine will go to second or their position, sometimes the sell and buy order margin use to be wide and this sometimes make me spend more time trying to swing trade. It was been manipulated.

I expected the volume of stable coins to be higher than the volume of actual USD but this seems like a very disproportionate market to me. Most likely the numbers are this way because pretty much every small-medium exchange use different bots and machines to fake their volume in order to attract more clients because apparently people tend to choose those exchanges that have the highest volume even though over 90% of it its fake

Most developers are actually manipulating their coin's volume so that it could look appealing to traders and investors.
It's their way of making people believe that their coin has potential and because of its volume and it causes deception and confusion. Because of fake trading volumes, we are making wrong decisions most of the time so it's something serious that exchanges should do something about.

Their days are numbered. Companies like BTC-e and 1Broker weren't immune from US federal agencies, and Tether isn't either. The DOJ is only six months into a criminal probe of Bitfinex and Tether for market manipulation. That probe was launched nearly a year after the CFTC began investigating them for the same thing. Sooner or later, both Bitfinex and Tether are probably going to have seizure notices on their domains.


If volume goes to other stablecoin markets on the same exchange, it certainly doesn't hurt them. I noticed that Binance promotes other stablecoin markets like USDC and PAX when you press the "Trade" button on your balances page. I think subtly pushing traders towards safer stablecoins makes sense for exchanges because a Tether implosion will be bad for everyone. The bigger they are when they go down, the worse the collateral damage will be.

People don't seem to care anymore unfortunately.

I have seen how people on social media point out that they don't believe that Tether is fully backed, but use it anyway because it offers them the convenience and usability they are looking for.

As long as Tether remains the most liquid and widely used/accepted stablecoin, nothing will change for the better I'm afraid. Its first mover advantage will make sure it stays on top for many more years to come.

Another thing is that exchanges don't have much incentive to promote other stablecoins because of how much volume Tether generates for them, so it's not looking all to good for people hoping to see the situation change.

This has been an issue for a long time. We can see trading volume as nothing but it could really deceive traders. They're actually doing something to fake their volumes to attract investors which is bad at this point because they're causing confusion.

Well I can't see anything wrong with the trade volume hike as a result of trading against stable coins.. The angle I find scammish is the trade volume on some exchange. Amongst the top 10 exchange by volume,  I doubt 50 percent of them have the trade volume they claim.. This false volume account for bitcoin value and to be this calls for better alternative to coinmarketcap.

This is not new. With the advent of stablecoins, people are just using those instead of real dollars in trading. Also, exchanges have this habit of faking the volume that goes within their platform to lure more customers and traders in. However I'm not sure whether keeping most of the volumes in stablecoins is a good idea considering that the issue of these currencies being backed by real assets/dollars is still somewhat questionable at best.


One can only hope that they really are backed by something that can really hold value as what Tether introduced them to be.

It doesn't make sense to remove all stablecoin volume. If a stablecoin is redeemable for dollars, and people are using it to hedge like dollars, then these volumes are obviously taking away from real dollar volumes.

There's lots of fake volume present, but this is the wrong way to analyze it.

It doesn't matter if it's stablecoins? it's just a way to efficiently and easily trade with fiat-pegged crypto(so, able to send it very fast etc)..

The real problem is not that you need a bank account but the thing that it takes a huge amount of time to open this account in your bank, verify this account and start trading. At the end you will get a huge pain in the ass just to get an access to exchange where you  can lose all your money. And even if you are lucky to earn something then it may take a week to complete your withdrawal.

They are either retarded or involved into some illegal activities.

It is another pain in the ass to move fiat from one exchange to another that is currently solved with stablecoins.

volume is an irrelevant metric anyway

having say $50k volume one day but $30k volume the next is MEANINGLESS
it does NOT mean more people are trading.
it does NOT mean more dollar is deposited.
it does NOT mean more people want to buy

volume does not reveal WHO or how much.
for instance with just $5k i can day trade/arbitrage around a market 10 times and make the volume appear as $50k even though the physical $$ moving is just $5k for the entire day.

but i do have to agree, because 'stablecoins' dont have the disadvantage of taking 3-5 business days to move from an american account of exchange A to exchange B. stable coins can be used to arbitrage exchanges in seconds. which makes arbitrages circle faster and thus make volumes numbers appear larger due to more arbitrage cycles.

what would be more of a metric is how much fiat is on orderlines at any one point. then different days you can spot if there are more or less 'buyers' than usual because you can spot how much TOTAL $$ is fixed to an orderline thus able to total how much dollar wants to be buying bitcoin.

the other advantage is that you can spot which direction a market may flow. here is the most easiest way without knowing numbers but just looking at order charts


but getting back to the topic.. the "volume" metric is meaningless.. it reveals absolutely nothing about the markets that can be of any use in any way

I am not about the ratio but there is a huge fake volume on exchanges. Right now coingecko has a good initiative to prevent that but we will see how effective it will be.

Also, there is this: https://www.bti.live/reports-april2019/

Even big exchanges like huobi and okex using fake volume. I think fake volume is a disease on crypto need to be cured.

The reddit discussion is like this:
Only 1.6% of the USD/Bitcoin reported volume is actually traded in USD
NOBODY said anything about fake.

Just because I trade LTC vs BTC doesn't mean it's fake.
But, and this is quite funny, although I don't agree with how the conclusion was taken, I agree with the results, probably ~95% is fake activity, bots run by the exchanges themselves to attract customers with fake numbers.


4. A lot of shitty tokens end up being listed only on shitty exchanges that have no USD or another fiat alternative because they want to leave no tracks when they exit scam.
And so users are forced to sell their tokens for stable coins and then turn their stable coin into either BTC or ETH or fiat.

The guy made a big "salad", trying something good, having some good ideas, but vastly incomplete. And incomplete means bad in this case.

He removed stablecoins. Great. But he should have counted all the fiat. USD is not the only fiat. There are big volumes on BRL, CNY, CRW, EUR and maybe others too.
Yes, stablecoins are a plague. Unfortunately we have to live with them. Sooner or later the fake (not backed for real) ones will go down.
The numbers look pretty bad. But making them even worse by missing out this and that won't help anybody.

From what I understand, there is nothing wrong with stablecoin as long as it is properly backed by something and it is usually by the dollar though there are those now experimenting with gold, other fiat currency and yes even T-bills. Stablecoins are very useful in trading and they are there precisely to provide stability hence the name. You ask traders and most likely they are using stablecoins from time to time. Of course, the controversy in Tether got many to question the integrity of the coin and their utility.