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Topic: [Open] 🚀 Bitcasino.io 🚀 [Signature Campaign] 🚀 [.02 BTC/week] - page 23. (Read 39023 times)

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I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should.

Exactly, and the way it should be - you're getting your payment for one week, nothing more.
In the rules it was stated that manager can remove you from the campaign for whatever reason and threatening to give scam accusation for one small mistake which he was about to fix seems like a good reason. I think if you behaved more politely there could've been a chance for you to stay, but not sure here, maybe manager just didn't like your posts quality, it's seriously up to him.
Do you know what "return to normal" means? It means going back to how it was before the error happened...which is pretty self explanatory and something he agreed to. But... it didn't happen even after we scrubbed the confrontation from being seen by anybody else. I don't think you're correct about staying if I said something differently. I was very reasonable through the whole thing, willing to put it past us. Gave him benefit of the doubt and the time to look over things in case he couldn't be on the forum immediately. But he had other ideas. Like in these photos. Do you think that's ok to threaten people? Withhold payment you said you'd pay? Continually say he shouldn't pay me for services I already completed?









hero member
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I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should.

Exactly, and the way it should be - you're getting your payment for one week, nothing more.
In the rules it was stated that manager can remove you from the campaign for whatever reason and threatening to give scam accusation for one small mistake which he was about to fix seems like a good reason. I think if you behaved more politely there could've been a chance for you to stay, but not sure here, maybe manager just didn't like your posts quality, it's seriously up to him.
hero member
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Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.


Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?


I excluded the photo simply because I don't want people to go through half of the page to read what they could've read earlier, I responded to the whole situation.
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You're really not getting it, manager never agreed to have you for 7 more weeks, "amends" meant those 120$ for one week. And "you have 24 hours to respond" that's not the way you treat a campaign manager, that actually is a blackmail and who are you to lay down conditions?
I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should. You honestly think that me allowing him time, a person who kicked me out in error and is giving me reduced pay in error, is blackmail because I granted him the courtesy to have time to think about and deal with his errors? Or should I have just opened a scam accusation immediately without even giving him a chance? Insane logic here, that me giving time and understanding to somebody to correct an issue is blackmail. Absolutely batshit.


hero member
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Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.


Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?


I excluded the photo simply because I don't want people to go through half of the page to read what they could've read earlier, I responded to the whole situation. You're really not getting it, manager never agreed to have you for 7 more weeks, "amends" meant those 120$ for one week. And "you have 24 hours to respond" that's not the way you treat a campaign manager, that actually is a blackmail and who are you to lay down conditions?
hero member
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Dear WaffleMaster,
It seems fair that you deserve the payment for the first week. Most importantly so, because we all saw your name in the spreadsheet and 0.015 right next to it for some time. Surely, both you and jeremy might have overreacted a bit, but that is okay and it happens most of the time when people argue. After paying for the first week, however, this manager has the full right to kick out anyone from this campaign as stated (and I remember it being stated a while now) in the official rules. The overall length of campaign is 8 weeks, but nobody promised anyone to be accepted for the whole period. This rule is reasonable, because it motivates campaign members to improve their posts when they are in the campaign, not just do their best before applying. Just take a look at history of FortuneJack signature campaign. It is paying huge sums weekly, but members are kicked out on regular basis with no explanation when better ones appear. There is no such thing as an obligation of manager to keep a member in the campaign throughout all its duration. Honestly, you act as if you never participated in signature campaigns before and never saw how things go there.
Please stop spreading fud about jeremy and companies he works for.
And dear jeremypwr, I understand that you had more urgent unexpected matters to deal with, but could you please say when the payments will be proceeded today? Thanks.
This is FUD? No I believe this is the campaign manager threatening to withhold funds that he agreed to send. Also, some extortion peppered in there. Is something straight from the horses mouth FUD? Or is it FACT? Also, there's pictures of him agreeing to make everything right, which he actually lied about and refused to do (lying, fraud, scamming whatever you call it, he agreed in writing to do something and didn't). All because he couldn't manage the campaign properly and made severe errors, which I gave him time and understanding to correct.







part of the agreement
legendary
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Dear WaffleMaster,
It seems fair that you deserve the payment for the first week. Most importantly so, because we all saw your name in the spreadsheet and 0.015 right next to it for some time. Surely, both you and jeremy might have overreacted a bit, but that is okay and it happens most of the time when people argue. After paying for the first week, however, this manager has the full right to kick out anyone from this campaign as stated (and I remember it being stated a while now) in the official rules. The overall length of campaign is 8 weeks, but nobody promised anyone to be accepted for the whole period. This rule is reasonable, because it motivates campaign members to improve their posts when they are in the campaign, not just do their best before applying. Just take a look at history of FortuneJack signature campaign. It is paying huge sums weekly, but members are kicked out on regular basis with no explanation when better ones appear. There is no such thing as an obligation of manager to keep a member in the campaign throughout all its duration. Honestly, you act as if you never participated in signature campaigns before and never saw how things go there.
Please stop spreading fud about jeremy and companies he works for.
And dear jeremypwr, I understand that you had more urgent unexpected matters to deal with, but could you please say when the payments will be proceeded today? Thanks. Received my payment already, thank you!
hero member
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Hi, Can I join here? I really need the money if you could accept me I will change signature/avatar/personal text and will post my application.
hero member
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Scam accusation opened against campaign manager for extortion and scamming

Here's a little taste. Almost resolved it, that's why I have deleted posts, but then he scammed me again.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43258013                    



That's just ridiculous. From what I've read it looked like campaign manager was trying to WARN you and not BLACKMAIL. You've made a fuss, what do you think campaign manager would look like, if he paid you after all those posts you've made within a short period of time? You should've thanked him that he was worried about getting you your payment in the first place. Needless to say on BTT in campaigns with high payment managers are strict and it's a normal situation when you make a qualifying number of posts and still not getting paid because manager can consider some of them as nonconstructive. But it's not even that kind of situation now, you were about to get paid!
$960 - where did you get that number anyway? Why are you so confident you would've stayed in this campaign for any longer than 1 or 2 weeks? Any of the participants can be kicked out of the campaign. So what now, each participant should open a scam accusation for not getting potential payment?

Thank you; since he just doesn't get that I was HELPING him get his payment in the first place.
Thanks for all the help! These look really helpful!






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I'd like to apply, will add signature and avatar asap.
hero member
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The problem is that this guy thinks he's entitled to 8 weeks of me paying him, which is so far from the truth.

I can kick people out (as I routinely do) based on post quality, or if someone else comes along that is more qualified.

As I mentioned, he was dropped for (among other reasons) because I selected a Legendary member (better quality poster) to take his spot.

Clearly, he's upset and has resorted to these drastic matters.

Truth be told, he was the last person to submit a new BTC address and I was gonna boot him after he did regardless!


Making up things after the fact does not help your case, nor does it convince anybody. Petty personal attacks do not make you look better, either. The evidence speaks for itself, and you agreed to a deal that you then didn't follow through with (scamming me out of the campaign after saying you'd make everything right from the mistake).

I'm not entitled to 8 weeks of campaign, you agreed to fix the error you made when you thought I made 18 posts then kicked me immediately after, in error. Those are facts, not things said after the fact to try and save yourself. Now you resort to petty insults and making up things after the fact to try and cover your mistakes which have tarnished this company completely, as you are an employee by them threatening to withhold payments and insulting people because of mistakes YOU made. Do you also threaten to withhold earnings on the casino? How far do you go to scam people, if you can pull off this audacious stunt in front of everybody and not even care?

EDIT: Even now you continue editing your post to try and convince people the facts are not true. Absolutely shameful.
legendary
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The problem is that this guy thinks he's entitled to 8 weeks of me paying him, which is so far from the truth.

I can kick people out (as I routinely do) based on post quality, or if someone else comes along that is more qualified.

As I mentioned, he was dropped for (among other reasons) because I selected a Legendary member (better quality poster) to take his spot.

Clearly, he's upset and has resorted to these drastic matters.

Truth be told, he was the last person to submit a new BTC address and I was gonna boot him after he did regardless!

I run a Signature Campaign; it's nothing personal. 

I chose a Legendary member over a drama Hero member.

It would have been bad for business to not drop him.
hero member
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A further 7 weeks, which he agreed to. 7 weeks = $840. Proof is in the pictures.
Ok, I took deeper look. They can't really change terms of this deal because it is not stated that they can change them http://archive.is/ZflfZ [1]

This is stated in rules:
Sorry guys, but I will be forced to cancel the remainder of my Campaigns if this immature poster doesn't knock it off.

I hate to take money out of your pockets, but this person is not doing anyone any favors with his behavior.
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Thanks for being neutral. To answer your question, he agreed to put me back in AFTER those terms. So the later agreement to put me back in would supersede (overrule) the previous one that he made in error because he's a bad campaign manager and counts wrong.
legendary
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A further 7 weeks, which he agreed to. 7 weeks = $840. Proof is in the pictures.
Ok, I took deeper look. They can't really change terms of this deal because it is not stated that they can change them http://archive.is/ZflfZ [1]

This is stated in rules:
Sorry guys, but I will be forced to cancel the remainder of my Campaigns if this immature poster doesn't knock it off.

I hate to take money out of your pockets, but this person is not doing anyone any favors with his behavior.
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hero member
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Sorry guys, but I will be forced to cancel the remainder of my Campaigns if this immature poster doesn't knock it off.

I hate to take money out of your pockets, but this person is not doing anyone any favors with his behavior.




Do not blame me.



Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.
Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts?HuhHuh You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement.
Here you are expecting me to uphold to the agreement (which I did) while also neglecting the fact that you did not (SCAMMING). Any damage to the companies you represented and to yourself are your own. I've been nothing but transparent. And now you're probably in the dog house from them because you've dragged their name in the mud and are looking to scapegoat me. Sad man.
legendary
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Sorry guys, but I will be forced to cancel the remainder of my Campaigns if this immature poster doesn't knock it off.

I hate to take money out of your pockets, but this person is not doing anyone any favors with his behavior.



hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 546
Scam accusation opened against campaign manager for extortion and scamming

Here's a little taste. Almost resolved it, that's why I have deleted posts, but then he scammed me again.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43258013                    



That's just ridiculous. From what I've read it looked like campaign manager was trying to WARN you and not BLACKMAIL. You've made a fuss, what do you think campaign manager would look like, if he paid you after all those posts you've made within a short period of time? You should've thanked him that he was worried about getting you your payment in the first place. Needless to say on BTT in campaigns with high payment managers are strict and it's a normal situation when you make a qualifying number of posts and still not getting paid because manager can consider some of them as nonconstructive. But it's not even that kind of situation now, you were about to get paid!
$960 - where did you get that number anyway? Why are you so confident you would've stayed in this campaign for any longer than 1 or 2 weeks? Any of the participants can be kicked out of the campaign. So what now, each participant should open a scam accusation for not getting potential payment?
Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.





Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?





Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.
Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts?HuhHuh You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement.
legendary
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Scam accusation opened against campaign manager for extortion and scamming

Here's a little taste. Almost resolved it, that's why I have deleted posts, but then he scammed me again.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43258013                    



That's just ridiculous. From what I've read it looked like campaign manager was trying to WARN you and not BLACKMAIL. You've made a fuss, what do you think campaign manager would look like, if he paid you after all those posts you've made within a short period of time? You should've thanked him that he was worried about getting you your payment in the first place. Needless to say on BTT in campaigns with high payment managers are strict and it's a normal situation when you make a qualifying number of posts and still not getting paid because manager can consider some of them as nonconstructive. But it's not even that kind of situation now, you were about to get paid!
$960 - where did you get that number anyway? Why are you so confident you would've stayed in this campaign for any longer than 1 or 2 weeks? Any of the participants can be kicked out of the campaign. So what now, each participant should open a scam accusation for not getting potential payment?

Thank you; since he just doesn't get that I was HELPING him get his payment in the first place.
legendary
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Hey man,

You are very confused. 

I never in a million years agreed to have you in my Campaign for 7 weeks.

Are you out of your mind? 

That's not even standard Campaign Management etiquette around here to guarantee someone 2 months.

You aren't owed $960.  LOL  Grin

But I can see why you are so mad, as you will be missing out on a potential $960 from my Campaign.

Maybe you should have thought about that before you went off on me AND the company you are representing.

You acted childish (something I have never seen before) and all for what?

hero member
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I hope anybody with some trust rating can have a say in this scamming and extortion totaling $960
Remind me, how is that 960$

You were only one week in campaign, 1 week = 120$.
A further 7 weeks, which he agreed to. 7 weeks = $840. Proof is in the pictures.



legendary
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When I acknowledged my mistake, I agreed to pay him after he deleted all the FUD. So he deleted it, and rightfully so.

How do you call this?
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