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shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 05:56:03 AM

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Please educate me...

Is there a particular reason you keep repeating that phrase?

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 05:56:03 AM

Ill show you some example which are facts...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wakasaki808-161609
That is a bought account who runs this...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/success-is-a-lousy-teacher-it-seduces-smart-people-into-thinking-they-cant-los-1334627

This one too...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/areebmajeed-73702
Which runs this...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-thank-you-for-participation-1351885

And this one...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smit1237-363314
Who runs this...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/halted-bitenlargecom-5-daily-for-7-days-principle-back-transparent-1365423

Did they paid the fee for a proxy ban? You just pulled 3 ponzi operators out of (I guess my rating history).

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 05:56:03 AM

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I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

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What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Let me clear it for you...
I didnt say that i assume that its the only way,i just showed you ways how they do it...

Please educate me...

No, you did not. But lets just assume they create a new account to created a ponzi afterwards. That ponzi would fail and they scammed people. What does that have to do with whether or not they create an account over an IP and had to pay a fee to lift a proxy ban?

trenchflaint

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Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 05:13:18 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:38:47 AM

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 04:12:14 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:03:14 AM

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 01:15:45 AM

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Please educate me...
I didnt say that it was the only route...
I just set an example on how they do it and thats a fact...

An example is not a fact.

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:38:47 AM

Am i wrong about this?..

I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

Please educate me...

Ill show you some example which are facts...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wakasaki808-161609
That is a bought account who runs this...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/success-is-a-lousy-teacher-it-seduces-smart-people-into-thinking-they-cant-los-1334627

This one too...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/areebmajeed-73702
Which runs this...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-thank-you-for-participation-1351885

And this one...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smit1237-363314
Who runs this...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/halted-bitenlargecom-5-daily-for-7-days-principle-back-transparent-1365423

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I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

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What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Let me clear it for you...
I didnt say that i assume that its the only way,i just showed you ways how they do it...

Please educate me...

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:38:47 AM

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 04:12:14 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:03:14 AM

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 01:15:45 AM

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Please educate me...
I didnt say that it was the only route...
I just set an example on how they do it and thats a fact...

An example is not a fact.

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:38:47 AM

Am i wrong about this?..

I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

cryptodevil

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Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:38:47 AM

Please educate me...

You are not interested in being educated, so stop lying. Every single one of your fallacious arguments has been proven, actually proven, to be the fallacy it is yet you continue to keep on desperately clinging to this idea that your claimed 'fact' is absolutely solid solely because you say it is.

I'm starting to think you've got some sort of Asperger-like personality disorder. Nobody could be that fucking insistent that proven facts are to be dismissed and false assertions accepted as proven fact.

trenchflaint

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Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 04:12:14 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:03:14 AM

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 01:15:45 AM

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Please educate me...
I didnt say that it was the only route...
I just set an example on how they do it and thats a fact...
Am i wrong about this?..

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 04:03:14 AM

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 01:15:45 AM

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

trenchflaint

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 01:15:45 AM

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 05, 2016, 01:15:45 AM

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

trenchflaint

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...

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If you access BCT through TOR, you will probably get the same message. It doesn't mean you're a scammer, it means the IP of the exit point you are accessing the forum through has been flagged for previous dodgy behaviour. Should all users be banned from using BCT if they unfortunately come from the same IP address as a scammer?

Besides, the point is still moot as highlighting the untrustworthy behaviour of others does not assuage your own. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

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Prove that everybody who exits a TOR/VPN point at a previously marked IP is a scammer then I'll answer whether taking money from users who opt to pay the fee in order to use this forum under those conditions is tantamount to collaborating with scammers.

You clearly believe yourself to be significantly smarter than your words are proving you to be. Please, go and read this book and, once you understand about critical thinking and objective argument, report back and acknowledge that, so far in this discussion, you have displayed none. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_and_Crooked_Thinking

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No, you are not basing your question on a fact, you are basing it on an unsupported assumption and demanding that it be treated as proven fact.

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How about you actually offer up some fucking evidence for your baseless assumption? You claim that ALL people who encounter the message that their IP has been flagged as previously being involved in wrongdoing are also scammers, yes? Prove it.

(Hint: You know how I *know* your claim is utter bullshit? Cos I've paid that fee before when circumstances caused me to have to ask a discrete question through a TOR connection without anybody knowing who I was and I know I wasn't scamming anyone. So, you know fuck you and your stupid assumptions)

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Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

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Yeah, we know.

Trouble is, even in the face of proof that your assumption is not proven fact, you keep repeating it as though it were.

You *really* suck at this.

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You *do* know, right, that some people access this forum from oppressive regimes where a direct link is blocked? So they have to use TOR.

You *do* know this, right?

Please tell me you aren't so fucking moronic as you are repeatedly proving yourself to be.

Now please educate me...
Which one of your answer stated above answer the question?..
Your are clearly denying the fact here to save yourself by blindly and accepting the fact...

Now please can you educate me...

cryptodevil

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Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:46:56 PM

Please i would like to go back to the question stated...

Yes, we *know* you believe it to be the most awesome claim of 'fact' ever. Trouble is, you keep ignoring all the evidence being presented to you which clearly explains why you are mistaken.

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 02, 2016, 05:17:57 AM

If you access BCT through TOR, you will probably get the same message. It doesn't mean you're a scammer, it means the IP of the exit point you are accessing the forum through has been flagged for previous dodgy behaviour. Should all users be banned from using BCT if they unfortunately come from the same IP address as a scammer?

You *do* know, right, that some people access this forum from oppressive regimes where a direct link is blocked? So they have to use TOR.

You *do* know this, right?

Please tell me you aren't so fucking moronic as you are repeatedly proving yourself to be.

trenchflaint

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 12:42:22 PM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 12:18:16 PM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 12:03:14 PM

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

Spamming is connected to scamming when it comes to signature campaign and other services...
And spamming your own thread that you are offering a good service is also a scam to make it look legit...

I would like to go back to the said question...

So all spammers are scammers?

Why would you even spam?..

Please i would like to go back to the question stated...

Your Point Is Invalid

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Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 12:18:16 PM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 12:03:14 PM

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

Spamming is connected to scamming when it comes to signature campaign and other services...
And spamming your own thread that you are offering a good service is also a scam to make it look legit...

I would like to go back to the said question...

So all spammers are scammers?

trenchflaint

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Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 12:36:00 PM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

I would like to go back to the said question...

Yeah, we know.

Trouble is, even in the face of proof that your assumption is not proven fact, you keep repeating it as though it were.

You *really* suck at this.

Sorry if i suck at this...

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

cryptodevil

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Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

I would like to go back to the said question...

Yeah, we know.

Trouble is, even in the face of proof that your assumption is not proven fact, you keep repeating it as though it were.

You *really* suck at this.

trenchflaint

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 12:18:16 PM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 12:03:14 PM

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

Spamming is connected to scamming when it comes to signature campaign and other services...
And spamming your own thread that you are offering a good service is also a scam to make it look legit...

I would like to go back to the said question...

Your Point Is Invalid

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Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 12:03:14 PM

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

trenchflaint

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 12:03:14 PM

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

cryptodevil

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Activity: 2240

Merit: 1254

Thread-puller extraordinaire

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

trenchflaint

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: cryptodevil on March 03, 2016, 11:54:15 AM

Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 11:44:42 AM

Yes it is a fact its not unsupported assumption...
How did you ever get to your position without knowing that?..

Just as much as you *know* it to be a fact, I *know* it to be false. So, how do you think we should proceed from this point in?

*raises hand*
I know! I know!

How about you actually offer up some fucking evidence for your baseless assumption? You claim that ALL people who encounter the message that their IP has been flagged as previously being involved in wrongdoing are also scammers, yes? Prove it.

(Hint: You know how I *know* your claim is utter bullshit? Cos I've paid that fee before when circumstances caused me to have to ask a discrete question through a TOR connection without anybody knowing who I was and I know I wasn't scamming anyone. So, you know fuck you and your stupid assumptions)

Still you didnt answer the question,you just asked another question...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

cryptodevil

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Merit: 1254

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Quote from: trenchflaint on March 03, 2016, 11:44:42 AM

Yes it is a fact its not unsupported assumption...
How did you ever get to your position without knowing that?..

Just as much as you *know* it to be a fact, I *know* it to be false. So, how do you think we should proceed from this point in?

*raises hand*
I know! I know!

How about you actually offer up some fucking evidence for your baseless assumption? You claim that ALL people who encounter the message that their IP has been flagged as previously being involved in wrongdoing are also scammers, yes? Prove it.

(Hint: You know how I *know* your claim is utter bullshit? Cos I've paid that fee before when circumstances caused me to have to ask a discrete question through a TOR connection without anybody knowing who I was and I know I wasn't scamming anyone. So, you know fuck you and your stupid assumptions)

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