Actually I respect his opinion because over the course of the past 4 years I have witnessed that he usually says things that I agree with, and he backs up his statements with strong technical, mathematical, and moral/ethical arguments. He stands firm in his convictions and politely attempts to educate those with less technical ability and less bitcoin experience, even in the face of constant vitriol from opponents who are almost always less knowledgeable on topics than he is. I have not seen his stances or arguments change one iota since blockstream was formed, and anyway I think the team there is an incredible resource for the bitcoin community. I am grateful for them, and for the financial backers that have made it possible for a group of such incredibly talented people to be able to to devote themselves fulltime to the task of improving the open-source bitcoin codebase.
Topic: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs - page 5. (Read 34840 times)
The way I see it, we have two options:
1) disagree about how to move forward and not get anywhere but here
2) agree not to move forward and just stay where we are
1) disagree about how to move forward and not get anywhere but here
2) agree not to move forward and just stay where we are
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speaking as a developer myself with 20+ years experience, I respect his opinion quite a lot more than, say... yours.
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Gmaxwell, (the CTO of Blockstream) is content if Bitcoin doesn't scale on chain? Wow, what a shocker. Next you're gonna tell me there's fish in the ocean.
I'm not saying I'm as technically skilled, or as knowledgable about Bitcoin as Mr. Maxwell. (I'm surely not). I'm saying I believe there's a huge and obvious conflict of interest in anything he says regarding Bitcoin scaling. Surely, as a developer of 20+ years experience, you're intelligent enough to understand why that is a reasonable opinion for someone to have?
speaking as a developer myself with 20+ years experience, I respect his opinion quite a lot more than, say... yours.
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Gmaxwell, (the CTO of Blockstream) is content if Bitcoin doesn't scale on chain? Wow, what a shocker. Next you're gonna tell me there's fish in the ocean.
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I just saw this on reddit. Seems gmaxwell is content enough if bitcoin remains status quo forever.
Maybe OP's work is done, lol.
Maybe OP's work is done, lol.
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Segwit isn't forced onto anyone without their consent. Take it or don't take it.
I'm comfortable if Bitcoin doesn't change any further. I think it would be better if it did, but that isn't up to any person, much less me.
I'm comfortable if Bitcoin doesn't change any further. I think it would be better if it did, but that isn't up to any person, much less me.
Gmaxwell, (the CTO of Blockstream) is content if Bitcoin doesn't scale on chain? Wow, what a shocker. Next you're gonna tell me there's fish in the ocean.
I just saw this on reddit. Seems gmaxwell is content enough if bitcoin remains status quo forever.
Maybe OP's work is done, lol.
Maybe OP's work is done, lol.
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Segwit isn't forced onto anyone without their consent. Take it or don't take it.
I'm comfortable if Bitcoin doesn't change any further. I think it would be better if it did, but that isn't up to any person, much less me.
I'm comfortable if Bitcoin doesn't change any further. I think it would be better if it did, but that isn't up to any person, much less me.
traincarswreck: here is a thread that might be of interest to you
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-in-nash-equilibrium-1824293
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-in-nash-equilibrium-1824293
So, to recap; per Nash et al, Bitcoin can help guide/force fiat into being ideal money. I just knew Bitcoin was good for something.
I do worry that the SegWit BU schism might undermine (ha!) the role of Bitcoin in this mission.
I do worry that the SegWit BU schism might undermine (ha!) the role of Bitcoin in this mission.
What's with the incessant use of logical fallacies in discussion? Your emotions have no place here.
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I've given the reasons for that argument earlier in the thread. Almost everyone on both sides of the scaling debate wants to increase TPS one way or another. Therefore there is demand for it. nuff said.
And by accepted I am not talking about the irrational faction of people.
#science
So because everyone generally agrees that we want more than a few transactions per second, its irrational exuberance?
Your argument makes as much sense to me as saying Starbucks stock won't go up because its unscientific for anyone to want more than 1 moccafrappuchino a month.
Lol, a rando logs in claiming they read through the thread, but also simultaneously calling me out for CITING my argument in accepted economic literature?
Why are you so afraid of science and founded reasoned arguments?
Why are you so afraid of science and founded reasoned arguments?
My friend, please listen. I will not comment anymore as this debate is useless imo and I hate putting time and energy in useless things.
First, thank you for proofing 50% of my theory about you as a person in just 1 reply. You dont know who I am, howlong Ive been here and what my background is. Just honestly and by all means check ip logs whatever I am not smurfing, i just never posted here. Get an admin to confirm this with logs i am ok with this.
I never said your opinion was right or wrong, so saying if i am scared about you copy pasting other people... not by a bit but I just said imo this isnt the time yet for bitcoin to be dealing with this, or maybe put best its totally not as critical as you make it sound like it is. Bitcoin will develop the way it always has. It has brought us to where we are today. If the macro-economics implications of bitcoin seem to be critical at some point in the future, it will certainly be adressed.
Please dont challenge me to reply anymore. Stop wasting peoples time.
How come you waited years to make your first posting in a "useless debate"?
Let me sum up a few non-topic things first that I find out after reading 45 pages.
I've given the reasons for that argument earlier in the thread. Almost everyone on both sides of the scaling debate wants to increase TPS one way or another. Therefore there is demand for it. nuff said.
And by accepted I am not talking about the irrational faction of people.
#science
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My arguments are based on common sense, observable facts, and real world experience.
If you'd like to believe yours are more reasoned, that's cool.
I've given the reasons for that argument earlier in the thread. Almost everyone on both sides of the scaling debate wants to increase TPS one way or another. Therefore there is demand for it. nuff said.
2) you hardly bring any new evidence or proof to the discussion. Its always what someone else wrote in this or that book/essay. What if they were wrong?
That's how science works, and thats what science is.
When you question it, you are showing that you don't understand the purpose of science. And it is always that those that don't understand science support BU.
My arguments are based on common sense, observable facts, and real world experience.
If you'd like to believe yours are more reasoned, that's cool.
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Yes you deny both 1 and 2, and you therefore deny science, which is why you have arrived at an irrational conclusion.
I can only assume that if and when BU does succeed, you'll no doubt have a very good sounding explanation of why you changed your mind.
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Did you know that irrational and vocal people far outweigh people with reasoned arguments?
My arguments are based on common sense, observable facts, and real world experience.
If you'd like to believe yours are more reasoned, that's cool.
Lol, a rando logs in claiming they read through the thread, but also simultaneously calling me out for CITING my argument in accepted economic literature?
Why are you so afraid of science and founded reasoned arguments?
Why are you so afraid of science and founded reasoned arguments?
My friend, please listen. I will not comment anymore as this debate is useless imo and I hate putting time and energy in useless things.
First, thank you for proofing 50% of my theory about you as a person in just 1 reply. You dont know who I am, howlong Ive been here and what my background is. Just honestly and by all means check ip logs whatever I am not smurfing, i just never posted here. Get an admin to confirm this with logs i am ok with this.
I never said your opinion was right or wrong, so saying if i am scared about you copy pasting other people... not by a bit but I just said imo this isnt the time yet for bitcoin to be dealing with this, or maybe put best its totally not as critical as you make it sound like it is. Bitcoin will develop the way it always has. It has brought us to where we are today. If the macro-economics implications of bitcoin seem to be critical at some point in the future, it will certainly be adressed.
Please dont challenge me to reply anymore. Stop wasting peoples time.
like I said... if you know what the markets will accept you'd be a billionaire.
The fact that you pretend to know what the markets will do with certainty tells me you're a noob when it comes to actually understanding markets.
1) It's basic accepted science the free markets act rationally
2) The markets won't accept an scientifically unfounded proposal
Which of these two do you deny?
Not going to go down your labrynth of questions as that does not entertain me. sorry.
I'll give you the following tidbits of info:
a) Markets can and do act irrationally from time to time.
b) what is rational to one man is irrational to another
c) supply and demand trump everything else. It really doesn't matter if something meets a criteria of being 'scientific', as long as people want it.
If you really think you understand markets better than the rest of us, i again
invite you to explain why you've failed to use that information to make billions.
Did you know that irrational and vocal people far outweigh people with reasoned arguments?
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like I said... if you know what the markets will accept you'd be a billionaire.
The fact that you pretend to know what the markets will do with certainty tells me you're a noob when it comes to actually understanding markets.
1) It's basic accepted science the free markets act rationally
2) The markets won't accept an scientifically unfounded proposal
Which of these two do you deny?
Not going to go down your labrynth of questions as that does not entertain me. sorry.
I'll give you the following tidbits of info:
a) Markets can and do act irrationally from time to time.
b) what is rational to one man is irrational to another
c) supply and demand trump everything else. It really doesn't matter if something meets a criteria of being 'scientific', as long as people want it.
If you really think you understand markets better than the rest of us, i again
invite you to explain why you've failed to use that information to make billions.
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