Operation Caelus;We will send a bitcoin satellite to space! ESCROW - page 5.

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Quote from: Kprawn on September 18, 2015, 11:04:28 AM

Hey, why aim for the Thermosphere ? ..... This thing should go to Mars with the people who will be going there --> https://www.nasa.gov/content/nasas-journey-to-mars

Having a node on another planet, under full control of humans, would be a great leap for Bitcoiners. Roll Eyes

... When they settle there, they can use Bitcoin as the official currency

for trade. Imagine sending inter stellar transfers to other planets for people rendering services {programming .. etc} from Mars. Go big or go home. Grin

Classic example of why we need sidechains - communication is too slow and too unreliable for people to mine the same blockchain on Mars that they're mining on Earth. Even with newer technology and optimized communication speeds, with minimized interference, there would be constant forks at best. And then there could be regular communications blackouts depending on the relative positions of the planets, so I don't think it would work. You'd need separate blockchains.

When people go to Mars, they would need to send their bitcoins to the Mars sidechain. Their transaction will take a while to reach Mars, but it will get there long before they do. Then they'll have coins on the Mars blockchain.

Then when they're ready to come back to Earth, they send their coins back from the sidechain to the original Bitcoin blockchain on Earth.

That's some real sci-fi optimism you got going on there buddy... maybe by then we could time travel back to 2009 to invest heavily into bitcoin so we'll be rich now

But seriously... that would be awesome if people really do end up going to Mars with new politics, philosophy, and way of doing business there. Hurry up and be year 2050 already!!

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Quote from: Kprawn on September 18, 2015, 11:04:28 AM

Hey, why aim for the Thermosphere ? ..... This thing should go to Mars with the people who will be going there --> https://www.nasa.gov/content/nasas-journey-to-mars

Having a node on another planet, under full control of humans, would be a great leap for Bitcoiners. Roll Eyes

... When they settle there, they can use Bitcoin as the official currency

for trade. Imagine sending inter stellar transfers to other planets for people rendering services {programming .. etc} from Mars. Go big or go home. Grin

Classic example of why we need sidechains - communication is too slow and too unreliable for people to mine the same blockchain on Mars that they're mining on Earth. Even with newer technology and optimized communication speeds, with minimized interference, there would be constant forks at best. And then there could be regular communications blackouts depending on the relative positions of the planets, so I don't think it would work. You'd need separate blockchains.

When people go to Mars, they would need to send their bitcoins to the Mars sidechain. Their transaction will take a while to reach Mars, but it will get there long before they do. Then they'll have coins on the Mars blockchain.

Then when they're ready to come back to Earth, they send their coins back from the sidechain to the original Bitcoin blockchain on Earth.

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Quote from: chennan on September 21, 2015, 01:14:24 PM

I've been thinking about this, but would it be beneficial to incorporate a portion of the satellite to host the first satellite broadcasted Bitcoin radio using this satellite? You could then have Bitcoin businesses advertise periodically between intermissions to support funding.

Don't know if this would work though.

Hey, both the ''satellite broadcasted Bitcoin radio'' and the Node would fir into this single Cubesat! there's also the possibility to build a 2U instead of a 1U without much + cost. but as said, i'm positive we could fit both of them simultaneously!

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I've been thinking about this, but would it be beneficial to incorporate a portion of the satellite to host the first satellite broadcasted Bitcoin radio using this satellite? You could then have Bitcoin businesses advertise periodically between intermissions to support funding.

Don't know if this would work though.

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i've managed to get a Kickstarter campaign up and running for the structure !

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Quote from: Febo on September 21, 2015, 07:20:56 AM

I wonder what is a point of it? Just to get advertisement for Bitcoin? Or maybe to test something. I would suggest you to try to find some such test reason. I bet you would get much more supporters that way.

Hey, i think you should read the whole thread. the are more reasons here then just the bitcoin Node

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I wonder what is a point of it? Just to get advertisement for Bitcoin? Or maybe to test something. I would suggest you to try to find some such test reason. I bet you would get much more supporters that way.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 21, 2015, 05:21:06 AM

Can I make a suggestion for the funding? We had a project at my kid’s school, where they wanted to build a better boundary wall around the school. They got the parents involved and every household pitched in to fund a section of the wall. The school then attached a little name plate of the sponsor to the wall to give recognition to the people who funded the project.

You could do something similar, but only attach a website Url on the cube to redirect to a website with a list of the people who sponsored it.

i was thinking of that actually, and putting the top contributors names inside the cube itself (you'll have your signature in space Wink

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Can I make a suggestion for the funding? We had a project at my kid’s school, where they wanted to build a better boundary wall around the school. They got the parents involved and every household pitched in to fund a section of the wall. The school then attached a little name plate of the sponsor to the wall to give recognition to the people who funded the project.

You could do something similar, but only attach a website Url on the cube to redirect to a website with a list of the people who sponsored it.

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Quote from: achow101 on September 20, 2015, 10:57:48 PM

I contacted my aerospace engineer and he said that he doesn't have the time but might be able to help once he does have the time to do so.

For people researching this and wanting to help out, cubesat.org is a good place to start.

What stuff should be on the satellite? Besides the raspi for the node and the basics for communication and control, what else should be included? If there is a directional instrument (e.g. a camera) then reaction wheels will be required. Also, how long do we want this cubesat to last? Higher orbits for longer lifetimes cost more money. But lower orbits will cause its orbit to decay faster and thus shortening its lifetime.

Higher altitude means higher radiation levels, so that could probably force us to increase our budget if we want our cubesat to last longer. About the directional instrument, we could probably code a program in which we can make the camera look into certain directions. I really hope this project goes into reality, and I want our space node to be the first of its kind.

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I contacted my aerospace engineer and he said that he doesn't have the time but might be able to help once he does have the time to do so.

For people researching this and wanting to help out, cubesat.org is a good place to start.

What stuff should be on the satellite? Besides the raspi for the node and the basics for communication and control, what else should be included? If there is a directional instrument (e.g. a camera) then reaction wheels will be required. Also, how long do we want this cubesat to last? Higher orbits for longer lifetimes cost more money. But lower orbits will cause its orbit to decay faster and thus shortening its lifetime.

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Quote from: AtheistAKASaneBrain on September 20, 2015, 04:12:16 PM

I remember reading the argument on what would happen if there was a war or some goverment coalition trying to ban Bitcoin, and the solution was it wouldn't be a problem for the network to keep running because the rich Bitcoin guys would launch their own satellites to keep the network running.

that would be something Wink

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I remember reading the argument on what would happen if there was a war or some goverment coalition trying to ban Bitcoin, and the solution was it wouldn't be a problem for the network to keep running because the rich Bitcoin guys would launch their own satellites to keep the network running.

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Quote from: Blawpaw on September 20, 2015, 03:47:47 PM

I think this is a great idea.

About The launch:(I'm probably wrong and this is a bad idea) Couldn't we send it to space in a helium balloon??? That would be far less expensive.

it would be necessary to develop some kind of trust for the satellite in order to maintain it in a constant orbit once the balloon got to low orbit.

Glad you like it!

Sorry mate :/ if you would have a Helium ballon with a Diameter of 1M. then the Ballon wold expand to 10M in diameters !!! and then burst at 60-84KM up in the air...it's unfortunately way to short Sad

(but you could use a small camera and take some cool pictures above the clouds on ''space frotdoor'' )
so unfortunately a Balloon will not do the trick :/

trust, it really depends on how far up it gets, if it's low orbit, then yes defiantly.
Avtalet trusts couls be added Linda cheap and easy to be honest

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I think this is a great idea.

About The launch:(I'm probably wrong and this is a bad idea) Couldn't we send it to space in a helium balloon??? That would be far less expensive.

it would be necessary to develop some kind of trust for the satellite in order to maintain it in a constant orbit once the balloon got to low orbit.

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i'm going to contact some Bitcoin related business to see if they are incrusted and would like to support us

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Quote from: achow101 on September 20, 2015, 11:44:28 AM

Quote from: Sakarias-Corporation on September 20, 2015, 11:39:59 AM

I've actually started a crowd funded for the structure, but it will take a while before its up. I used the word ISIS as in the space station...so my application is currently "under U.S. Government analysis" before it will go online .

Uhh, The international space station is ISS, not ISIS

Sorry; innovative solutions in space**,haha...
http://www.isispace.nl/cms/

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Quote from: Sakarias-Corporation on September 20, 2015, 11:39:59 AM

I've actually started a crowd funded for the structure, but it will take a while before its up. I used the word ISIS as in the space station...so my application is currently "under U.S. Government analysis" before it will go online .

Uhh, The international space station is ISS, not ISIS

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I've actually started a crowd funded for the structure, but it will take a while before its up. I used the word ISIS as in innovative solutions in space...so my application is currently "under U.S. Government analysis" before it will go online .

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 20, 2015, 08:24:27 AM

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Quote from: achow101 on September 19, 2015, 07:15:35 PM

I like this project. Will be following.

Also, for the note to function, we will need the satellite to connect to various ground stations around the world so it constantly stays up to date. We could probably set up a network of volunteers who would broadcast and receive data from the satellite and publish it to the internet.

Also, I know an aerospace engineer (rocket scientist) so I will see if I can get him in on this.

Wouldn't the time delay between the satellite node transmitting and the receiver nodes on Earth receiving make the satellite node always out of sync with all Earth base nodes? I'm no electronics/radio expert, but a cubesat couldn't have a very powerful transmitter considering its size. Can tiny transmitters transmit reliably at high speed over vast the distances from orbit back to Earth?

a Full Node requires ~ Internet connection with upload speeds of at least 400 kilobits (50 kilobytes) per second.

a Cubesat can have a very powerful transmitter, it depends on how you build it, a standard Cubesat S-band transmitter Transmission data rates up to 2 Mbps. but there are way more powerful ones which could be used instead.

i've also checked up more on launching. there are apparently way cheaper alternatives then the 120k i mentioned earlier, it seems to depend on the company situation really, and it can carry from 40-120kwoi

I wonder if we can actually get NASA to include it in their CSLI project? If in case we get NASA to get our own cubesat launched, that would drastically decrease the cost of sending the first bitcoin node in space, though I don't know exactly how is the process gonna be.

it would have to server a educational purpose so;
1; Sensors
2; Building a satellite with as little as possible commercial products, for as cheap as possible.

i'm note sure if they would but any weight to the Node / sending a TX over Radio frequencies. so hopefully 1 or 2 would be something they could get behind.

but first we have to come up with some planes. i suggest we aim for a 1U Cubesat structure to begin with. that's a 1.33KG mass MAX satellite. it would also be the cheapest one (you'd save 3k Euro) but if we'd want a 2u (2 x 1u) you could simply hook them together.
i've been thinking about starting a Kickstarter campaign for the starker only, so we have somewhere to go, and also getting some PCB which people could start to build on.

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