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legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
So how do u protect ur coins

By world scale massively expensive hashing, e.g. bitcoin, namecoin, devcoin etc; or by some non proof of work based system if any of them turn out to actually work. Like maybe NXT style or eMunie style or Ripple style or something, whichever turns out to actually work. Maybe even proof of stake if anyone ever actually implements any of the proof of stake systems that supposedly theoretically might be able to work and it turns out that they actually do work.

-MarkM-
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
So how do u protect ur coins
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
*rabble* *rabble*
When you fight for the right to commit any immoral act or crime that you want in the name of freedom no matter how bad with no limits
then i have no choice but to compare you to pedophiles who think they have the right to diddle little children.

Fallacy much? You sound less intelligent with every post (this is not a fallacy because I am not on one side or the other of a debate, but I am merely stating my opinion).

Also, read this and take notes: http://www.grammarbook.com/english_rules.asp.

no your trolling.. still
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
Well then it is fortunate there are hundreds of scamcoins to test attacks on, eh. Smiley

-MarkM-
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1024
I don't think it's a bad thing, if someone "destroys" a coin. Very direct way to force the involved to come up with something improved. What is your reasoning to protect vulnerable coins?

We are still in an very early stage and should learn from such incidents as much as we can.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
‘Try to be nice’
Thank god Scrypt asics are coming out I can't wait to see all these shitty copy paste coins get 51% and die.

Hey El Dude , because of your stupidity ( and others ) im going to seek a petition and get as many of the first Batch of KnC titans to all mine and dump LTC at once.

If LTC is the promising currency its supposed to be it should be fine as all the new investment will take up the slack right ?

: D

Will that come from BTC ?

: D
member
Activity: 308
Merit: 10
★YoBit.Net★ 1400+ Coins Exchange
*rabble* *rabble*
When you fight for the right to commit any immoral act or crime that you want in the name of freedom no matter how bad with no limits
then i have no choice but to compare you to pedophiles who think they have the right to diddle little children.

Fallacy much? You sound less intelligent with every post (this is not a fallacy because I am not on one side or the other of a debate, but I am merely stating my opinion).

Also, read this and take notes: http://www.grammarbook.com/english_rules.asp.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
@markm
that sounds pretty reasonable to me but i don't think he got what your saying in the slightest or he would have address the last part you said..
but as usual they sort of silently take a wide walk around any part that is proving what these guys do is bad.
i have brought up a half dozen points not one of these guys will EVER address directly they just get mad and start insulting you..

there is no free market and your decentralized propaganda is bs.. for example Cryptsy controls what coins to add so THEY can make money not you !
How is that decentralized ?
and we all know coin cloners have had their target set at getting on major exchanges from day one.. NOT getting world wide adoption for a new currency.
Their behavior proves this and so does these guys making excuses to hop from one scam coin to another for flash mining purposes.
you think that behavior will keep your coin secure ? Do you really think anyone here will for one second buy that's your honest motivation ?
This whacko has spewed a bunch of bs to defend his right to flash mine any scam coin that comes along.. no matter how bad or from whom.
Using all these excuses for it is cowardly.. grow some balls and admit to what you REALLY want.. to flash mine and pump and dump coins and leave them for dead..

oh and that "Facist" as i pointed out already is why Bitcoin Scrypt the coin was re-added back to this forum.. he got it un-banned
does that sound like a fascist to you ? Sounds more like the guy is fighting for freedom to me.

When you fight for the right to commit any immoral act or crime that you want in the name of freedom no matter how bad with no limits
then i have no choice but to compare you to pedophiles who think they have the right to diddle little children.

Rules already exist so don't pretend people are trying to add them now for the first time.
Second of all society couldn't in way function in the slightest with out rules in all areas of life.
You guys need to stop saying you want no rules so you can abuse the situation for your financial gain and at the loss of others.
How about showing some class & decency and respect for other people and showing that you care about vulnerable new users that come here ?
rather than just your bitcoin address..
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Hey El Dude , because of your stupidity ( and others ) im going to seek a petition and get as many of the first Batch of KnC titans to all mine and dump LTC at once.

If LTC is the promising currency its supposed to be it should be fine as all the new investment will take up the slack right ?

: D

Will that come from BTC ?

: D
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
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corporates do not provide higher value, there is allways same scheme, lower price is tool to take out competitors,
Are you kidding me? People prefer Wallmart/Meijers etc because they provide better value and choices for their money at the convenience of not driving around for different products or brands. Its more effecient and cheaper.
It's not more efficient and cheaper, and yes you are right, people are sheeps. The word "prefer" is applicable only if there are dozen of Wallmarts, but there are only few, with entirely comparable same crap.

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corporates do not care about customers satisfaction
Ya, because the customers have no choice and are forced to use the "corporate" products, even when they are not happy with them. That makes complete sense. Can you name one single product that people hate and still buy please?
Exactly, customers are forced to use corporate chains, finaly you got it. Small business went to bankrupcy because of price dumping and sheepy customers mind, hence since the moment you have no choice (a basic logic) Goods from small business are far different from crap in corporate, you cant choose between quality goods and crap, you have only crap choice. And compare "go shop because they have what you want" with "go shop because they have what you need/have to buy". Keep it in mind next time in store before you will make your "choice". And no I will not name any product what people hate and still buy, because i did not mentioned anything like this.

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they do not supply needs
What do you mean they do not supply needs? Why on earth would someone go to a shop and pay for something he doesnt need? Where on earth is your sense of accountability? If I went and bought something I don't need, why is the "corporate" manufacturer to blame for my irrationality and not me?
   
correct, wrong word:they do not saturate needs, open some wiki to find out what does it mean

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they do money mining and everything is set up to this rule
Ya so?
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You want them to make shit for free?
Can you point for me where did I say that?

Profit is the single most powerful factor in getting a product manufactured in the most economical way possible.
Anyway you missed again, as you split whole sentece in separate parts so you lost point. It calls money flow, in corporate business, domination is used to swap functions of martket, where customers are used to serve to corporate instead of oposite. So people are used to keep money flow, where satisfaction is very last thing. Does not matter, absolutely, what is subject of trade/sell, the very only important thing is to keep money flow.

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when control of market reach significant number, price is going up back and reliability fall, despite of wages are going down and unemployment rise
Like seriously man.... what is this? It looks like you are regurgitating some brainwash someone vaguely told you about "corporates" being evil vampires and the cause of all of the country's misery! Unemployment is what happens when you artificially regulate someone's worth to a company... aka Government forcing companies to pay a minimum wage and not rely on the market to decide.
Epic fail again. 70% of goods are crap from china, you lost 25% of jobs. 30% of goods are manufactured in mass-production concentrated in big chains, you lost 20% of jobs. Retail is cleaned by dumping (wich is illegal in some countries) and you lost another 10%. Now you have 35% unemployment and situation is ready to cut off wages, coz there is overloaded demand for jobs..

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do some research
LOL.... uh huh!
look kid, you have rethoric on basic school level, you are making conclusions from presumptions. Your presuptions are wishes. You cant point difference between impulses, reactions and consequences. I cant spend time to explain absolute basics of relationship. Really do some research. There are tons of tons of informations out there on internet why corporate is cancer. Just educate yourself. Anyway I appreciate your efford, go jump in to internet and with same effort find some information, before you try to convice somebody who is maybe twice older than you and who has experiences wich is even not became part of your dreams. Go and talk to people, ask them, go outside of your life based on traveling between shopping centers, you will find out that real life is far different than your beloved corporate world.


Let me guess.... brought up in a abusive my-way-or-the-highway household... neglet and abandonment issues.... trouble with conflict resolutions.... big fan of welfare and the Govt. Seriously.... what are you doing here? This is the dangerous Free Market zone old man. Here if you are a piece of shit who thinks respect comes with age, and not achievement, then you get called on it. You can take your blue collar attitude with a southern accent and walk out the way you came in. This is that bright part of the woods where 14 year olds with intelligence are respected without them demanding it.

All I can see in your response is your ego filtering out the "who" instead of the "what". LOL.... you probably even might consider it as "defiant" and 'em kids got nooo 'espect these days Grin
sr. member
Activity: 338
Merit: 250
"look kid, you have rethoric on basic school level, you are making conclusions from presumptions."

Isn't that making a presumption and conclusion about someone that you have never met?  Talk crypto or eat shit and die.
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 10
IGT-crypto - lifetime income from working exchange
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corporates do not provide higher value, there is allways same scheme, lower price is tool to take out competitors,
Are you kidding me? People prefer Wallmart/Meijers etc because they provide better value and choices for their money at the convenience of not driving around for different products or brands. Its more effecient and cheaper.
It's not more efficient and cheaper, and yes you are right, people are sheeps. The word "prefer" is applicable only if there are dozen of Wallmarts, but there are only few, with entirely comparable same crap.

Quote
corporates do not care about customers satisfaction
Ya, because the customers have no choice and are forced to use the "corporate" products, even when they are not happy with them. That makes complete sense. Can you name one single product that people hate and still buy please?
Exactly, customers are forced to use corporate chains, finaly you got it. Small business went to bankrupcy because of price dumping and sheepy customers mind, hence since the moment you have no choice (a basic logic) Goods from small business are far different from crap in corporate, you cant choose between quality goods and crap, you have only crap choice. And compare "go shop because they have what you want" with "go shop because they have what you need/have to buy". Keep it in mind next time in store before you will make your "choice". And no I will not name any product what people hate and still buy, because i did not mentioned anything like this.

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they do not supply needs
What do you mean they do not supply needs? Why on earth would someone go to a shop and pay for something he doesnt need? Where on earth is your sense of accountability? If I went and bought something I don't need, why is the "corporate" manufacturer to blame for my irrationality and not me?
   
correct, wrong word:they do not saturate needs, open some wiki to find out what does it mean

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they do money mining and everything is set up to this rule
Ya so?
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You want them to make shit for free?
Can you point for me where did I say that?

Profit is the single most powerful factor in getting a product manufactured in the most economical way possible.
Anyway you missed again, as you split whole sentece in separate parts so you lost point. It calls money flow, in corporate business, domination is used to swap functions of martket, where customers are used to serve to corporate instead of oposite. So people are used to keep money flow, where satisfaction is very last thing. Does not matter, absolutely, what is subject of trade/sell, the very only important thing is to keep money flow.

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when control of market reach significant number, price is going up back and reliability fall, despite of wages are going down and unemployment rise
Like seriously man.... what is this? It looks like you are regurgitating some brainwash someone vaguely told you about "corporates" being evil vampires and the cause of all of the country's misery! Unemployment is what happens when you artificially regulate someone's worth to a company... aka Government forcing companies to pay a minimum wage and not rely on the market to decide.
Epic fail again. 70% of goods are crap from china, you lost 25% of jobs. 30% of goods are manufactured in mass-production concentrated in big chains, you lost 20% of jobs. Retail is cleaned by dumping (wich is illegal in some countries) and you lost another 10%. Now you have 35% unemployment and situation is ready to cut off wages, coz there is overloaded demand for jobs..

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do some research
LOL.... uh huh!
look kid, you have rethoric on basic school level, you are making conclusions from presumptions. Your presuptions are wishes. You cant point difference between impulses, reactions and consequences. I cant spend time to explain absolute basics of relationship. Really do some research. There are tons of tons of informations out there on internet why corporate is cancer. Just educate yourself. Anyway I appreciate your efford, go jump in to internet and with same effort find some information, before you try to convice somebody who is maybe twice older than you and who has experiences wich is even not became part of your dreams. Go and talk to people, ask them, go outside of your life based on traveling between shopping centers, you will find out that real life is far different than your beloved corporate world.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
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corporates do not provide higher value, there is allways same scheme, lower price is tool to take out competitors,
Are you kidding me? People prefer Wallmart/Meijers etc because they provide better value and choices for their money at the convenience of not driving around for different products or brands. Its more effecient and cheaper.


Quote
corporates do not care about customers satisfaction
Ya, because the customers have no choice and are forced to use the "corporate" products, even when they are not happy with them. That makes complete sense. Can you name one single product that people hate and still buy please?


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they do not supply needs
What do you mean they do not supply needs? Why on earth would someone go to a shop and pay for something he doesnt need? Where on earth is your sense of accountability? If I went and bought something I don't need, why is the "corporate" manufacturer to blame for my irrationality and not me?   


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they do money mining and everything is set up to this rule
Ya so? You want them to make shit for free? Profit is the single most powerful factor in getting a product manufactured in the most economical way possible.


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when control of market reach significant number, price is going up back and reliability fall, despite of wages are going down and unemployment rise
Like seriously man.... what is this? It looks like you are regurgitating some brainwash someone vaguely told you about "corporates" being evil vampires and the cause of all of the country's misery! Unemployment is what happens when you artificially regulate someone's worth to a company... aka Government forcing companies to pay a minimum wage and not rely on the market to decide.


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do some research
LOL.... uh huh!
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 10
IGT-crypto - lifetime income from working exchange

invisible hand of market is myth and dogma produced by corporates economs to prevent system to create regulations wich can help small business and reduce power of corporates

so don't expect anything from that hand

a 51 attack will be soon solved by bijective function

There are valid reasons why costumers favour big businesses over small ones (lower prices, reliability), and other valid reasons why some customer prefer to deal with small business (contributing to the local economy). There's no problem with big corporation having more power if they do indeed provide more value, and that's something that the free market is well adapted in judging that.
There's no need for regulations.



corporates do not provide higher value, there is allways same scheme, lower price is tool to take out competitors,
corporates do not care about customers satisfaction, they do not supply needs, they do money mining and everything is set up to this rule
when control of market reach significant number, price is going up back and reliability fall, despite of wages are going down and unemployment rise
do some research
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253

invisible hand of market is myth and dogma produced by corporates economs to prevent system to create regulations wich can help small business and reduce power of corporates

so don't expect anything from that hand

a 51 attack will be soon solved by bijective function

There are valid reasons why costumers favour big businesses over small ones (lower prices, reliability), and other valid reasons why some customer prefer to deal with small business (contributing to the local economy). There's no problem with big corporation having more power if they do indeed provide more value, and that's something that the free market is well adapted in judging that.
There's no need for regulations.

member
Activity: 80
Merit: 10
IGT-crypto - lifetime income from working exchange
BCX and the rest of the bitcoin fascists are wasting their time. For every coin they attack 5 more are springing up in their place, and they have demonstrated abject stupidity so far in terms of developing a strategy to fight them. They can do a little damage here and there, but ultimately they are about a relevant as DDOS attacks.

The profusion of altcoins is out of hand, but the free market will sort it all out. No one is forcing you to mine or buy a coin you don't like. To listen to the bitcoin fascists, the New York Stock Exchange should consist of 1 stock with 90% of the market cap, and a mere handful of other stocks that are firmly kept in their place.

I think this is correct.  It's a lot of chest thumping with little effect on the overall situation.. the invisible hand of free market will resolve things in the end.  

That said, I'll still lend my help to operation protection, from a developers perspective.. because quite frankly it's just fun working against people who look for security vulnerabilities.  As the whole exercise actually is a way to strengthen the technology, overall.  For every attack, there will be a counter..  some people like breaking things.. others like fixing things  I will lend my skills to help with that. Smiley


invisible hand of market is myth and dogma produced by corporates economs to prevent system to create regulations wich can help small business and reduce power of corporates

so don't expect anything from that hand

a 51 attack will be soon solved by bijective function
member
Activity: 85
Merit: 10
BCX and the rest of the bitcoin fascists are wasting their time. For every coin they attack 5 more are springing up in their place, and they have demonstrated abject stupidity so far in terms of developing a strategy to fight them. They can do a little damage here and there, but ultimately they are about a relevant as DDOS attacks.

The profusion of altcoins is out of hand, but the free market will sort it all out. No one is forcing you to mine or buy a coin you don't like. To listen to the bitcoin fascists, the New York Stock Exchange should consist of 1 stock with 90% of the market cap, and a mere handful of other stocks that are firmly kept in their place.

I think this is correct.  It's a lot of chest thumping with little effect on the overall situation.. the invisible hand of free market will resolve things in the end.  

That said, I'll still lend my help to operation protection, from a developers perspective.. because quite frankly it's just fun working against people who look for security vulnerabilities.  As the whole exercise actually is a way to strengthen the technology, overall.  For every attack, there will be a counter..  some people like breaking things.. others like fixing things  I will lend my skills to help with that. Smiley


Well said, Micryon.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
Start adding to all the coins the ability to be child chains in merged mining.

That way all miners can chose for themselves which coins to support and which one of them to pick as primary chain in the merge, and as many chains as can effectively be merged can all be equally secure, plus we will get to find out what the limit actually is of the number of chains that can effectively be merged.

So far there are only eight working merged mined coins one can merge at once, and that works fine, but it has been only eight a long long time so we still do not know how many more we can effectively merge because we lack coins to add to our merges.

-MarkM-
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253
BCX and the rest of the bitcoin fascists are wasting their time. For every coin they attack 5 more are springing up in their place, and they have demonstrated abject stupidity so far in terms of developing a strategy to fight them. They can do a little damage here and there, but ultimately they are about a relevant as DDOS attacks.

The profusion of altcoins is out of hand, but the free market will sort it all out. No one is forcing you to mine or buy a coin you don't like. To listen to the bitcoin fascists, the New York Stock Exchange should consist of 1 stock with 90% of the market cap, and a mere handful of other stocks that are firmly kept in their place.

I think this is correct.  It's a lot of chest thumping with little effect on the overall situation.. the invisible hand of free market will resolve things in the end.  

That said, I'll still lend my help to operation protection, from a developers perspective.. because quite frankly it's just fun working against people who look for security vulnerabilities.  As the whole exercise actually is a way to strengthen the technology, overall.  For every attack, there will be a counter..  some people like breaking things.. others like fixing things  I will lend my skills to help with that. Smiley


Great, thanks for your help! Cheesy
No coin seem to be in danger right now, but we'll have to be ready.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
BCX and the rest of the bitcoin fascists are wasting their time. For every coin they attack 5 more are springing up in their place, and they have demonstrated abject stupidity so far in terms of developing a strategy to fight them. They can do a little damage here and there, but ultimately they are about a relevant as DDOS attacks.

The profusion of altcoins is out of hand, but the free market will sort it all out. No one is forcing you to mine or buy a coin you don't like. To listen to the bitcoin fascists, the New York Stock Exchange should consist of 1 stock with 90% of the market cap, and a mere handful of other stocks that are firmly kept in their place.

I think this is correct.  It's a lot of chest thumping with little effect on the overall situation.. the invisible hand of free market will resolve things in the end.  

That said, I'll still lend my help to operation protection, from a developers perspective.. because quite frankly it's just fun working against people who look for security vulnerabilities.  As the whole exercise actually is a way to strengthen the technology, overall.  For every attack, there will be a counter..  some people like breaking things.. others like fixing things  I will lend my skills to help with that. Smiley
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