[Opinion] Why translated topics are still on a single thread?

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Quote from: Coyster on April 28, 2023, 10:48:12 AM

Having said that, me i no even sure say we need this translation topics at all, it is just topics wey dey fish for merits (na wetin me i think be that), i don see say Brainboss don lock the single translation thread, but omoh me i suggest say if e go bring spam na to stop translation topics outrightly for the board,

All this been follow for the reason why I been direct anything translation to one thread because we all know the reason behind the translation, na to find merit and since e dey hard people to get you no go spoil wetin dem they talk survive. Due to the cordination of this place I doubt if e go result to spam but if it does we know what to do. Na those newbies dem wey dey rush go translate some careless threads go be our problems and some don't even take permission from the original owners which is very wrong. Everything na try and see until we get the correct thing so make we see hwi this one go go.

If e no generate spam, we go keep am as e dey but if spam come board then we go return to them putting all their translation for one thread as e been dey from the very beginning. Make una no too vex for the translator, na there dem dey see their own merit, make we no ban am as e go spoil show for dem. For now there hasn't been a valid reason to stop translation on the board so make we just see as e go be. Ones again all suggestions are welcome and we go reason am as a community, anyone wey make better sense we implement am asap.

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Quote from: sokani on April 28, 2023, 01:47:48 PM

No be lie wey you talk. Reading in English dey easier than pidgin, but why we dey translate this topics no be only just for merit sake, also na to get that special filling of fulfillment say u dey part of or contribute to something beautiful. For instance, some of our ogas wey don hang boot for de translation mata, after some months or years wen dem stumble on de topic, dem go just smile and be like... Wow so I translated this topic, dem go just get some sorts of joy or happiness.

I no see translation posts as a way of contributing to something beautiful oh, as i don talk before, if to say our board get distinct language and many new users no too understand English but na that distinct language wey dem sabi read, speak and also write, then translating important topics from English to that distinct language go help people for the local board wella, but as our own dey wey everybody sabi read English, them fit just go read the original topic na, i dey sure say nobody dey read this pidgin translation topics because them go find the original English posts easier to read and understand.

Having said that, if person wan contribute to something beautiful for this our local board, then make them start their own quality threads for the board, no be all these duplicate and spam posts wey full for our local board so. But i know say we just start sha, our local board just start, in the future we go get more quality threads than spam and duplicate threads.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on April 28, 2023, 03:37:52 PM

Quote from: MainIbem on April 28, 2023, 03:30:13 PM

I want to know the reason why people are often translating pidgin to simple English language does it mean that we can't correctly read and understand our local language anymore?

...translating English to Pidgin. Not Pidgin to English.

Okay.. Thank you for the correction.

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Yes, I guess. There is no other reason they are translating than a way they think they can earn merits

I think this is too bad if this is the reason why they often translates it.

Well I don't have to blame anyone, na the wey dem put us for the industry be that and I believe say pipo de fin way to carry survive so anything dem do to take survive de industry wey no be bad thing is allowed.

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Quote from: MainIbem on April 28, 2023, 03:30:13 PM

I want to know the reason why people are often translating pidgin to simple English language does it mean that we can't correctly read and understand our local language anymore?

...translating English to Pidgin. Not Pidgin to English.

Quote from: MainIbem on April 28, 2023, 03:30:13 PM

just as our brother @Igehbotz said, could it be for a merits purpose we are trying do all these things?

Yes, I guess. There is no other reason they are translating than a way they think they can earn merits.

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First I have to thank Charles-Tim for bring up this suggestions I know is not easy in any way I see no sense where all translated topic would be in a single thread. Although I understand that all we need is growth but let it be as if everyone make a new topic for their translations, and I want to know the reason why people are often translating pidgin to simple English language does it mean that we can't correctly read and understand our local language anymore?
I think it's an inborn language that is with us which we doesn't need anyone to teach us how to read it or not.
Although I also understand is very hard to read pidgin most especially reading it loud for everyone to hear it but reading within yourself or Inside your mind is very easier than louding it. So I will advise let us slow down a bit with the rate at which we do translation.. just as our brother @Igehbotz said, could it be for a merits purpose we are trying do all these things?

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Quote from: Coyster on April 28, 2023, 10:48:12 AM

Having said that, me i no even sure say we need this translation topics at all

I can not agree more. I prefectly agree with you.

Let us see how it goes, but I think we should give it a try and see what happens. I just do not want to be self-centered about the whole thing. But it is just like you poured out what is in my mind which I mean that any translated topics will got no merit from me just because I do not see it (translated topics) to be useful.

But I am also kind of confused because I have heard that some people in South South and Nigeria as a whole prefer to just communicate in Pidgin, maybe we may later still have these kind of people on our local board, which we should not be biased about for now. If something like that happens, I will begin to merit translated threads, but as to what I know for now, we are all English posters, but that like to communicate in Pidgin and I think there would be an end to translation on this local board.

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Quote from: sokani on April 28, 2023, 01:47:48 PM

No be lie wey you talk. Reading in English dey easier than pidgin, but why we dey translate this topics no be only just for merit sake, also na to get that special filling of fulfillment say u dey part of or contribute to something beautiful. For instance, some of our ogas wey don hang boot for de translation mata, after some months or years wen dem stumble on de topic, dem go just smile and be like... Wow so I translated this topic, dem go just get some sorts of joy or happiness.

Me no Dey even feel this whole translation thing because many people self no dey engage for the topic if them translate am rather them they go those boards wey the original post Dey to engage. Personal I feel say he go better to summarize am or rather breaking the topic down for easier understanding. This go Dey easy for newbies because make I no lie he Dey hard to grasp long thread sometimes. But i still prefer make he Dey on him own thread.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on April 27, 2023, 04:16:04 PM

Good suggestion, nothing bad to try am even though I no support the idea fully, e no stop the board from trying new things all for the sake of improving the board both in quantity and quality.

No be bad idea really and no be bad thing if we try new things, d most important thing be say make e dey quality. If we try am see say e no dey work then we fit stop am.

Quote from: Coyster on April 28, 2023, 10:48:12 AM

Whilst i agree with wetin Charles-Tim been dey suggest, but on another note, do we even need to be translating topics from English language to pidgin, the truth be say everyone of us sabi read and write in English, some dey better than others, but the fact be say everybody for here understand English pass pidgin, especially when it is written and not spoken, maybe in speaking some people go understand pidgin better, but i dey see as many people dey write their pidgin for this local board and e dey very incomprehensible, but when i see dem write English on the English boards, i dey understand their points perfectly.

No be lie wey you talk. Reading in English dey easier than pidgin, but why we dey translate this topics no be only just for merit sake, also na to get that special filling of fulfillment say u dey part of or contribute to something beautiful. For instance, some of our ogas wey don hang boot for de translation mata, after some months or years wen dem stumble on de topic, dem go just smile and be like... Wow so I translated this topic, dem go just get some sorts of joy or happiness.

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Whilst i agree with wetin Charles-Tim been dey suggest, but on another note, do we even need to be translating topics from English language to pidgin, the truth be say everyone of us sabi read and write in English, some dey better than others, but the fact be say everybody for here understand English pass pidgin, especially when it is written and not spoken, maybe in speaking some people go understand pidgin better, but i dey see as many people dey write their pidgin for this local board and e dey very incomprehensible, but when i see dem write English on the English boards, i dey understand their points perfectly.

Having said that, me i no even sure say we need this translation topics at all, it is just topics wey dey fish for merits (na wetin me i think be that), i don see say Brainboss don lock the single translation thread, but omoh me i suggest say if e go bring spam na to stop translation topics outrightly for the board, if to say na local board wey get distinct language, then translated topics go make sense, but as ours dey wey na English/pidgin and most of us get strong command of English pass pidgin (especially when written), i no sure say e dey needed for here abeg, because we go fit understand the thread that was translated perfectly.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on April 24, 2023, 02:02:45 AM

We do not have Nigeria local board before, but now we have it. Why translated topics are still on a single thread? I mean this thread: Info-thread: Translation of Useful English topics to Naija languages, pidgin etc

Good suggestion, nothing bad to try am even though I no support the idea fully, this translation thread was made for the hangout thread when merit rush be come for translation posts and so far it served its purpose effectively and now since we dun get board, e make sense to stop am although I had some doubt on how spammy this place will look due to how poorly we dey translate (word for word, which can be very confusing) still e no stop the board from trying new things all for the sake of improving the board both in quantity and quality.

The new posts translation go definitely add more topics for discussion but I doubt the threads go get much engagement. Personally I dey against having empty threads as they sometimes represent less activities but for the sake of having more threads on the board I welcome the suggestion. Like this now as I dey write this post finish I go lock that thread and we can see how it goes. I pray it turns out to be very fruitful as all successful things here dey add glory to the board.

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One tin way I go say Charles-Tim talk well b say, as e dey one thread so, 3 no allow pple 2 fit discuss am or ask question bt den, e get anybodi way bin wan evn talk pim abt am? I nevr see anybodi put interest nd i no evn shw say pple dey read am too. D few way don try, una well done. I read my own kwa as na me translate am bt, I no fit say I don put eye 4 orda pple own except say, I dey try study dere translation pattern. E too big 2 read

Anyhow e b, I no see any better way 2 discuss am Dan 2 go d original thread way fillippone bin create. Na em fit evn answer u well as na em b d originator nd e suppose sabi wella.
No nid 2 crack our head over dis one, e no b matter.

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Quote from: Adbitco on April 24, 2023, 07:18:52 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

And for those of you translating Pidgin to the thread author on that thread should stop if the author want to write he should use English una dey mumu too much. Snitching for merits Tufiakwa

I don't even reason it that way because I believe that theh are trying their best to be creative and useful despite their aim is to gain merit but let it be is worth their efforts and spending to do some brain cracking translations. So don't blame any for their actions. My people say "anywhere belle face na there food dey" and also "where man dey work na there him dey chop from" so abeg no too put pressure for them only thing be say make we try set some restrictions or rules wey go govern them if not e go dey worst.

I don't have anything against people translating topics; I'm just against this kind of behavior, and I'll leave it below. If this user wants to communicate, he should use pure English like most of us since we don't really know how to write good pidgin English. I have my suspicions, but I'm not too sure.

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on April 13, 2023, 06:14:53 AM

Thank you nheer as you don translate this my topic go Pidgin English! Great job!

This topic wey de about reputation for online systems na general code of conduct and we fit also apply am for our daily life. For online systems, however, e de very important.
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Quote from: Charles-Tim on April 25, 2023, 11:50:15 AM

I have no merit to give any translated post and I have no comment to make about it, but not worth it being on a single thread. I know that this will cause no harm and either translating evolves better or extinct would result. I am very certain about this. Not a threat towards quality posts.

I'm not talking about merit, and as I mentioned yesterday, anyone who wants to translate should go ahead. However, they should use excellent pidgin rather than slang, and they shouldn't translate the text word for word. I like the notion of summarizing before translating in order to make it readable

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on April 25, 2023, 11:50:15 AM

Then why translating topics then? If a post that is translated is having quality, then the translated post too will have quality. This is how it is done on all other local boards, why this board so different?

I have no merit to give any translated post and I have no comment to make about it, but not worth it being on a single thread. I know that this will cause no harm and either translating evolves better or extinct would result. I am very certain about this. Not a threat towards quality posts.

Those who are into translating topics can answer those questions better. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I’m only saying what I think, others might find these topics interesting and beneficial but I don’t fancy them. I have read a few and the pigin version does not do justice to the message the original author is trying to convey, there are certain words that are hard to translate to pigin and in an attempt to do so, one can use a lingua that is misinterpreted by readers.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on April 25, 2023, 11:40:56 AM

I don get the same thought as OP before when I find out say all the translated topics still dey one thread even after we don get local board. E dey hard to scroll down the thread to find the topic you won read because the posts dey very long plus the images them way dey inside too.

When I reason the other side of allowing translated topics to get their individual thread, e go worry because like this we dey struggle to see quality posts, we go start to see newbies dey translate topics from 2014 just to make activity and merits. In my opinion o, I go like make we leave am the way e dey.

I suppose merit this your post Igebotz because you said my mind. saved!

Then why translating topics then? If a post that is translated is having quality, then the translated post too will have quality. This is how it is done on all other local boards, why this board so different?

I have no merit to give any translated post and I have no comment to make about it, but not worth it being on a single thread. I know that this will cause no harm and either translating evolves better or extinct would result. I am very certain about this. Not a threat towards quality posts.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

This is not a bad idea, but we must consider the negative consequences. Personally, I don't see any value in those translated posts because they are too long to read and the translation is done word for word, which is incorrect; if you must translate, you must read the entire post and then summarize it in pidgin for native speakers to understand.

Now, if individual threads are created for translated posts believe me, everyone on this board will want to translate every post they see on the English board back to the local board. I'm not saying it's a wrong, but I'm more concerned about the abuse and amount of spam this may bring.

I've already spoken about it with Brainboss and if the community want it that way why not but we should all be ready for what this might cause .

And for those of you translating Pidgin to the thread author on that thread should stop if the author want to write he should use English una dey mumu too much. Snitching for merits Tufiakwa

I don get the same thought as OP before when I find out say all the translated topics still dey one thread even after we don get local board. E dey hard to scroll down the thread to find the topic you won read because the posts dey very long plus the images them way dey inside too.

When I reason the other side of allowing translated topics to get their individual thread, e go worry because like this we dey struggle to see quality posts, we go start to see newbies dey translate topics from 2014 just to make activity and merits. In my opinion o, I go like make we leave am the way e dey.

I suppose merit this your post Igebotz because you said my mind. saved!

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on April 25, 2023, 05:34:57 AM

To some extent, I do think that anybody wey de here with us de understand English so why translate the threads we can read to Pidgin again?; Although I translate some threads back then and I am not condemning the translation now, but that time we no get our Local Board which is why a separate thread was created for the translation but now that we have our own board, I they also suggest say make them allow people to de create a separate thread for the translated posts so that we fit account for people wey de visit the thread.

Exactly. For me, a translated thread is not useful for me, no merit that I will send. But I can not because of that not which others to find it useful and send merit or comment. If most Nigerians do not prefer pidgin translation, not meriting it and not posting there would be enough to discourage it than having all translated posts on a single thread, while it supposed not to be like that anymore when we have our own board now.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

This is not a bad idea, but we must consider the negative consequences. Personally, I don't see any value in those translated posts because they are too long to read and the translation is done word for word, which is incorrect; if you must translate, you must read the entire post and then summarize it in pidgin for native speakers to understand.

To some extent, I do think that anybody wey de here with us de understand English so why translate the threads we can read to Pidgin again?; Although I translate some threads back then and I am not condemning the translation now, but that time we no get our Local Board which is why a separate thread was created for the translation but now that we have our own board, I they also suggest say make them allow people to de create a separate thread for the translated posts so that we fit account for people wey de visit the thread.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

This is not a bad idea, but we must consider the negative consequences. Personally, I don't see any value in those translated posts because they are too long to read and the translation is done word for word, which is incorrect; if you must translate, you must read the entire post and then summarize it in pidgin for native speakers to understand.

If the post is long, the translation too will be long. The person that translate should have to know what the contents is all about, then translate it, not to summarize it in a translated language.

Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

I've already spoken about it with Brainboss and if the community want it that way why not but we should all be ready for what this might cause .

I do not think it can cause anything unless what that are translated are not useful.

I think we should follow the proper way, each translated post should have its own separate thread, but if people on this local board find it now useful, they can agree to cancel pidgin translation, but I do not think that is what they want to go for.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

This is not a bad idea, but we must consider the negative consequences. Personally, I don't see any value in those translated posts because they are too long to read and the translation is done word for word, which is incorrect; if you must translate, you must read the entire post and then summarize it in pidgin for native speakers to understand.
Now, if individual threads are created for translated posts believe me, everyone on this board will want to translate every post they see on the English board back to the local board. I'm not saying it's a wrong, but I'm more concerned about the abuse and amount of spam this may bring.

If this is done then it won't be called Translation board but Summary board . But there are some posts outside this forum that are more helpful to us here but we can't just copy the post here (this would bring more spamming). So translating it brings lesser spamming, I know not all of the translated posts (in the board) are needed but some are. So if we can find a way to regulate the type of post translated then it will be better. Though I see that translating to pidgin the technical aspects of Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency is more useful.
But with all this I can say that we need moderators in as much as we need a child board in order to avoid spamming and other issues.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 24, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

And for those of you translating Pidgin to the thread author on that thread should stop if the author want to write he should use English una dey mumu too much. Snitching for merits Tufiakwa

I don't even reason it that way because I believe that theh are trying their best to be creative and useful despite their aim is to gain merit but let it be is worth their efforts and spending to do some brain cracking translations. So don't blame any for their actions. My people say "anywhere belle face na there food dey" and also "where man dey work na there him dey chop from" so abeg no too put pressure for them only thing be say make we try set some restrictions or rules wey go govern them if not e go dey worst.

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