Topic: Oregon allowing 15-year-olds to get state-subsidized sex-change operations (Read 889 times)

This is all so bizarre and to think how the herd is eating all of this up and bleating in joy, makes you wonder what the US will be like in another 5, 10 years with the direction it is headed.

Why should the tax payers sponsor these obscenities? If the Sodomites want to have sex change, then they should do that at their own expense. Why should the normal people spend their hard earned money on this? Western nations are going down the drain. They refuse to give treatment to cancer patients, saying that cancer drugs are too expensive. And at the same time, they don't have any problem with these sex change surgeries.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2042172/Dont-terminal-cancer-patients-drugs-just-prolong-lives-say-experts.html

A 15 year old guy ,is maybe mature enough to know where he wants to be and what exactly he wants from his life. And if he's going for sex change ,and the state is subsidizing the operation, it's a noble thing to do .

This made me loose a tad bit more faith in humanity. How in the world are they going to allow children with under developed minds make a huge life altering WITHOUT parental consent or notice? Of course parents won't be supportive, this is because what these kids think is a great idea now may turn out to haunt them for the rest of their lives. Not only that but the tax payers are paying for it, the fucking tax payers. I can guarantee that a VERY small amount of the population in Oregon would not be ok with paying for a random kids gender changing surgery. It is mind boggling to me as to how this got passed.

I agree with that if they move the age of consent to 15 then it would be fine otherwise this is a hypocritical decision.
No sex to 18 but Sex changes at 15 ...
They could meet at 16 and that would be fine but either the age moves up to 18 for Subsidized sex operations or they should move the consent down to match other legal rights like driving drinking smoking gambling sex etc.

It does raise a strange question kids are vulnerable so we need to make sure their at least 18 before but sex changes are fine.

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Oddly enough siding with Faux (fox) on this one

Parental abuse assisted by the state.

What 5 year old have you ever heard talk like this? I'm not talking about the gender issue, but the deep adult level understanding of self. What 5 year old have you ever heard talk like this about anything?

If you think 15 is too old... Try younger...


We moved from Indiana to New Hampshire when Lia was 4. She was still wearing boys’ clothes and playing with trucks through preschool, but she really wanted girl things. We started buying her Barbie dolls and girl’s costumes.

For awhile, Lia was happy wearing pink dress shirts outside and princess costumes at home. Family and friends were curious, but no one made us feel judged. However, It was when she started kindergarten, that we saw the dysphoria start, the depression and anger. It was clear she couldn’t be comfortable anymore.

Lia is the most mild-mannered, peaceful warrior, a deep thinking, soul-searching child. The minute she begins talking, it’s just pure love. But we could see the frustration building in her.

She would say desperately, “Why can’t I just be a girl, Mommy?” At just 5 years old, she would look in the mirror in the bathroom and say, “I am a girl in my head and heart.”


The parents of this prepubescent ten year old boy have found a doctor willing to work with them and are about to chemically alter his body to halt the onset of puberty.



http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/stuck-boys-body-10-year-olds-journey-liam-lia-n382701?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=07ea21095c33bd747eb1f07d536c7aec

While 15 is the medical age of consent in the state, the decision to cover sex-change operations specifically was made by the Health Evidence Review Commission (HERC).

Members are appointed by the governor and paid by the state of Oregon. With no public debate, HERC changed its policy to include cross-sex hormone therapy, puberty-suppressing drugs and gender-reassignment surgery as covered treatments for people with gender dysphoria, formally known as gender identity disorder.


Translation: the good people or oregon did not vote for the law. The state did this on its own. Without telling anyone.

What happen if they change their mind before the age of 18? Back to the operating room again? What if they die during surgery. Is the state responsible or the parents?

The law is not consistent. Either you are still a child, teen at 15 or not. If you are then the parents are still the legal guardians. If not then the child belongs to the state.

You are clearly too busy seeking confirmation bias to even read my comment. I argued that their depression DOES NOT ONLY come from how society treats them, and many people with gender identity issues often have hormonal imbalances which very clearly can cause severe depression. My very argument is that you are ignoring biological causes for suicides and completely assuming that their treatment by society is to blame and not their unbalanced biochemistry.

As far as your studies, there is no way to control for, or tell the difference between people who committed suicide because of biological factors resulting in suicidal depression, or if it was a result of how people treated them, so your assumption on the matter being mostly a societal factor is completely out of line and not scientific. It could have just as easily been that the gender reassignment ITSELF was the trauma that caused depression. There is no way to know for sure.

Furthermore none of this data supports the idea of non-consensual gender reassignment, or imposing gender neutrality for children who are not of the age of consent. If adult individuals feel they want to have gender reassignment and surgery that is up to them, but no one has any business playing games with untested social experiments using children as test subjects.

I agree with you on the part that the depression mostly comes from how they are treated.  If we lived in a world where after SRS they were just treated as their new gender there would probably be much less suicides.  However, there is some emerging science that shows there are brain differences between transgender individuals and those that are not.  (Source)

Post-op suicide rate according to the famous "20x higher" swedish study is 2.7/1,000 person years, or about 21.5%.  However, a recent study out of Canada shows that prompt transition resources being available for trans people could reduce this rate by ~17%.  It also confirms the idea that the less hatred the experience, the less suicides there are by up to 66%.  (Source)

You ASSUME that society some how causes all of the mental distress of people with gender identity issues, and that there are no biological issues involved like hormonal imbalance which can easily cause severe depression (an which have very effective treatments BTW). Then when you look at the high rates of suicide for people AFTER they have reassignment surgery, and again of course, it is because society oppressed them, not at all because they have biological issues which are causing them distress. This kind of nonscientific logic is what is causing people to kill themselves. They seek medical help, and all they get is treated like a guinea pig in a sick social experiment.

Sorry, there's a limit of one new part per person.  Gotta leave enough for everybody

Can they upgrade me to have 3 penises and 4 vaginas, I'm not sure about my identity hey I'm born this way I need this operation made by tax payers money This is progress !

Is getting a tattoo treating a issue that causes almost half of the people that have it to attempt suicide at some point?  

Being able to do this without parental consent does seem like an issue, but to play devil's advocate, it could also be preventing some teens from ordering hormones online and playing Russian Roulette with their bodies (it's surprisingly easy to do).  


Actually the total cost is nowhere near that.  Getting your sex reassigned can run anywhere from $7,000 to $17,000 paying out of pocket, and insurance companies (or the government) could certainly get that down much lower like they do for everything else.

I think you are looking for common sense and logic where none exists.

F'in incredible. Look here - the State of Oregon is currently denying life-saving treatment to Hep-C patients, because of cost.

The total cost of a Hep-C cure is 100,000 dollars, and it's a one-time cost, after you're treated you're cured forever.

And here they're talking 150,000 a year, for something that isn't even fatal

How does that work?

The age of consent for actually having sex is still 18 right? Meaning they aren't allowed to even have sexual relations or if an adult would have sex with them, it would be rape correct?

If that's true, the child cannot decide to have sex legally, but they can decide that they're the wrong gender and make drastic changes to their body before they know legally when to enter into sexual relations?

Even if someone believes they should be able to make this decision, it sounds totally hypocritical.