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Quote from: Darker45 on February 23, 2022, 11:18:52 PM

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 17, 2022, 11:16:36 PM

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For a very long time there has been a disconnect with what the public thinks it is a good movie and what the academy think it is a good movie.

So it is obvious this is an attempt by the academy to try to lower down that disconnect that people have with the academy, but personally I do not think this is going to be successful because as time has passed the award ceremony has gotten more and more boring to the point that almost anything is more entertaining than watching a bunch of millionaires giving themselves some awards among themselves.

That's right, and the Oscars team is probably fully aware of that. Hence this new way of getting the active participation and involvement of the audience and the general public.

The Oscars statistics in terms of viewers and public interest hasn't been encouraging for the past years. And I agree that the ceremony is getting boring. That's probably the number one reason why people are not interested. Who cares which award goes to whom?

I just hope this new innovation won't backfire especially because it is openly prone to abuse. And when gambling or money is involved, the flaws of the particular way this new award is to be won will definitely be exploited.

Lets see how this turns out, after all on the surface it may seem like a good idea but we know that a great deal of the twitter accounts out there are just bots, so someone could influence the results very easily and probably discourage the academy of doing this ever again.

And when we add economic interests, like being able to win a bet by directly manipulating the results, then things could get even more complicated as there is nothing stopping the people in charge of so many fake accounts to collude among themselves and make a killing in the process by winning this bet.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 23, 2022, 11:18:52 PM

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 17, 2022, 11:16:36 PM

~snip~

For a very long time there has been a disconnect with what the public thinks it is a good movie and what the academy think it is a good movie.

So it is obvious this is an attempt by the academy to try to lower down that disconnect that people have with the academy, but personally I do not think this is going to be successful because as time has passed the award ceremony has gotten more and more boring to the point that almost anything is more entertaining than watching a bunch of millionaires giving themselves some awards among themselves.

That's right, and the Oscars team is probably fully aware of that. Hence this new way of getting the active participation and involvement of the audience and the general public.

The Oscars statistics in terms of viewers and public interest hasn't been encouraging for the past years. And I agree that the ceremony is getting boring. That's probably the number one reason why people are not interested. Who cares which award goes to whom?

I just hope this new innovation won't backfire especially because it is openly prone to abuse. And when gambling or money is involved, the flaws of the particular way this new award is to be won will definitely be exploited.

This initiative will also create awareness about the film industry and what movies have been shown in the past year. Because, honestly, I am off-track about the list of movies. Maybe because it has been about couple of years that I haven't entered in a cinema. This award we will see also what is the current taste of movie fans. Because we are also evolving even in the film industry. So let us see what is the current type of film that the mass wants.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 16, 2022, 05:08:34 PM

Am I the only one who expects this to be trolled by someone on 4chan with millions of multi botfarm accounts on twitter?

I like that they're expanding their options by introducing arbitrary end user nominations. But this is the internet and I suspect there is someone with the power to crash the results, who won't be able to resist doing so.

2021 wasn't the best year for movies that I remember. Things were so crazy with COVID I can't remember which films were good or bad in 2021.

Is it possible this user nomination feature might actually uncover a 2021 diamond in the rough, which most of us missed. I think it definitely has potential although they might have to take additional authentication steps to ensure that it won't be trolled.

Everything has a pros and cons, this is one of the possibilities that it will trigger multi bot farm accounts. Alongside there will many other ways to bring a movie to top, like people do fake engagements, inorganic followers then there will be – Fake Voting Manager or Voting Master. And the one who would do the task well will be high in demand will have the next project lined up in 95th Academic award

Well, there will always be a way that many will cheat, fortunately Twitter has the algorithm that detects accounts that are bots and this will help a lot to determine which movies are the ones that the masses actually want to win and/or be nominated for, there are many films that are good that I did not see nominated and to be honest there are a variety of films that I did not know were among the best, perhaps everything that has to do with the campaign of restrictions against covid has degenerated a lot of publicity.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 17, 2022, 11:16:36 PM

~snip~

For a very long time there has been a disconnect with what the public thinks it is a good movie and what the academy think it is a good movie.

So it is obvious this is an attempt by the academy to try to lower down that disconnect that people have with the academy, but personally I do not think this is going to be successful because as time has passed the award ceremony has gotten more and more boring to the point that almost anything is more entertaining than watching a bunch of millionaires giving themselves some awards among themselves.

That's right, and the Oscars team is probably fully aware of that. Hence this new way of getting the active participation and involvement of the audience and the general public.

The Oscars statistics in terms of viewers and public interest hasn't been encouraging for the past years. And I agree that the ceremony is getting boring. That's probably the number one reason why people are not interested. Who cares which award goes to whom?

I just hope this new innovation won't backfire especially because it is openly prone to abuse. And when gambling or money is involved, the flaws of the particular way this new award is to be won will definitely be exploited.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 17, 2022, 11:16:36 PM

Actually this award was particularly created for the fans to solely decide. There will be no official judges or expert critics for this specific award except the fans themselves. This idea was originally being floated as Most Popular Film category years ago. But it wasn't implemented for certain reasons. So in lieu of that, this was the one implemented. But this Fan-Favorite Film is not a formal Oscars award category.

If this award actually goes to a film in a way that is without cheating and fake votes, it seems brilliant. There are indeed films that have captured the audience so much yet snubbed by the Academy. As written on the article I linked in the OP, movies like Spider-Man: No Way Home was a big hit and yet it only received a single nomination. That's almost none at all. If not with that single nomination, the cast would have no reason to go into the prestigious ceremony.

Anyway, I have seen odds on Oscars but I haven't yet seen one on this particular award. Probably because, as others have clearly thought, this is prone to abuse.

For a very long time there has been a disconnect with what the public thinks it is a good movie and what the academy think it is a good movie.

So it is obvious this is an attempt by the academy to try to lower down that disconnect that people have with the academy, but personally I do not think this is going to be successful because as time has passed the award ceremony has gotten more and more boring to the point that almost anything is more entertaining than watching a bunch of millionaires giving themselves some awards among themselves.

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Quote from: 24Kt on February 22, 2022, 03:02:39 PM

But will there be sportsbooks that will include the betting line for this twitter results? As of right now, only the usual categories (Best Actor, Best Director, etc) are included in the line-up, but haven't seen yet for the Fan-Favorite Film via Twitter money betting line. So we will see in the coming weeks if they will include this category. Bookies may possibly check first the twitter pulse before they publish the candidates for this poll so they can also give appropriate odds per voted film.

Well, just like you, I haven’t seen the category Fan-Favorite Film in any sports book yet. It is reported to be included this year but I guess you are right that we’ll just have to see if this will really surfaced. Nonetheless, if they would really push this through, I hope that all goes well and they would prepare to counterattack any backlash and manipulation tactics.

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The manipulation and hiring of those trolls and bots is very prone on this type of voting. So, I think that a casino that would get into this bet have already thought of this possibility.
Maybe a test run will do and they'll just limit the bettors on how much they can bet for this particular event. That will do the worry of manipulation and any bettor to rake those millions if possible ever.

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Quote from: rijaljun on February 22, 2022, 09:23:58 AM

I believe Twitter has made improvements compared to what they were few years back, so this may not be such a bad idea for Oscars. Twitter is now more keen to unusual and extensive activities detection made from the accounts, and is much thorough when it comes to verification and such. But as per the peace of mind and assurance for the bettors, I think it would be wiser to observe for a while and after some time they could place bets if and only if they are really decided.

But will there be sportsbooks that will include the betting line for this twitter results? As of right now, only the usual categories (Best Actor, Best Director, etc) are included in the line-up, but haven't seen yet for the Fan-Favorite Film via Twitter money betting line. So we will see in the coming weeks if they will include this category. Bookies may possibly check first the twitter pulse before they publish the candidates for this poll so they can also give appropriate odds per voted film.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 15, 2022, 09:28:23 PM

I was thinking of the gambling implication of this. What if somebody places a huge bet, say, a million or two, on a particular film and then activates all kinds of bots and thousands of fake Twitter accounts that could spam the platform of votes 20 times a day every single day from the beginning of voting until the end? In other words, is this open for manipulation?

As soon as I read the title of the thread I was thinking the exact same thing. Twitter is not really known for being a secure platform where no manipulation can take place. They will limit the voting to one vote per account, but this is not going to prevent misuse. It's very easy to create a new Twitter accounts. Even adding a phone number is no real barrier for manipulation. With many new sim cards being sold very cheaply, it would be no problem to create a bunch of new accounts to vote for the movie. Same goes IP restrictions, with VPNs many votes could be made from one PC. The only problem if the Oscars remove a certain movie were they feel too many votes are generated by bots.

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I believe Twitter has made improvements compared to what they were few years back, so this may not be such a bad idea for Oscars. Twitter is now more keen to unusual and extensive activities detection made from the accounts, and is much thorough when it comes to verification and such. But as per the peace of mind and assurance for the bettors, I think it would be wiser to observe for a while and after some time they could place bets if and only if they are really decided.

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Quote from: RapTarX on February 17, 2022, 12:39:42 PM

I guess this won't be that easy to manipulate. You are unlikely to get thousands of fake tweets a day while on the other hand, films with real fans would definitely be active and post from their end & they are from around the world. Though, in theory, it's very possible to manipulate the prize, I doubt any house allows to place bets on such events until the first experiment.

You have a point. Despite having multiple accounts for the sake of voting, Twitter can easily suspend and even ban the accounts that they detected to be engaging in unusual activities. For instance, those accounts that are freshly made can be determined by the Twitter's system and erase them the moment they have proven it is for the voting and trolling. Although I've realized that there are so many accounts as well which are created years back that has gained several followers already and are the spare or extra account of other people in which they could sell for the voting of Oscar's. In this instance, the accounts established a credibility that it is an active account for months and years already, which I suppose would be hard for the Twitter's team to determine as bots or multiple account for the sake of voting. So for me, there's still a chance for the results to be manipulated in some ways. After all, the people are becoming smarter and wiser as time passes by, bypassing the known detected ways.

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This is still exciting despite the probability that manipulation is possible. There are probably a number of popular films that will battle it out for this award. There is not only a single box office film that will probably win so easily over the others in terms of most fan favorite film.

But when it comes to betting I would rather hold my bet. The way it is being implemented is a little bit more susceptible to abuses than if it was offered not exclusively through Twitter.

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Quote from: madnessteat on February 16, 2022, 02:45:30 AM

As practice shows, even blockchain-based social networks are susceptible to manipulation. Of course Twitter does not have sufficient protection against bots, so it does not make sense to organize voting through this platform because the results will not be reliable. If we should do voting, it should be on a blockchain with a pair of keys tied to a person's identity and the ability to verify each vote.

That would be the main problem for that cause we know it, there are lots of fake accounts on Twitter that will make the voting system corrupt if ever they gonna include it. I think they need to make a test first before they will include the real voting system to avoid technical problems like bots and other exploits that will ruin all the fun. We already know how they can easily create multiple accounts and make it seems like a legit person using in while in reality its just one of thousands accounts of a single person.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 16, 2022, 05:08:34 PM

Am I the only one who expects this to be trolled by someone on 4chan with millions of multi botfarm accounts on twitter?

I like that they're expanding their options by introducing arbitrary end user nominations. But this is the internet and I suspect there is someone with the power to crash the results, who won't be able to resist doing so.

2021 wasn't the best year for movies that I remember. Things were so crazy with COVID I can't remember which films were good or bad in 2021.

Is it possible this user nomination feature might actually uncover a 2021 diamond in the rough, which most of us missed. I think it definitely has potential although they might have to take additional authentication steps to ensure that it won't be trolled.

Everything has a pros and cons, this is one of the possibilities that it will trigger multi bot farm accounts. Alongside there will many other ways to bring a movie to top, like people do fake engagements, inorganic followers then there will be – Fake Voting Manager or Voting Master. And the one who would do the task well will be high in demand will have the next project lined up in 95th Academic award

do you really think a certain group or organisation will go beyond the normal form of voting eyeing for possible new project? but anyway, we are in the digital age where anything and everything can happen with the miracle deployment of computers. so expect that twitter platform will crash at some point owed to this voting publicity. imagine, up to 20 tweets per day are allowed up until march 3. don't be surprised if your twitter feed will be full of those tweets and learn some of the top 2021 movies via twitter. Grin

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 15, 2022, 09:28:23 PM

I was thinking of the gambling implication of this. What if somebody places a huge bet, say, a million or two, on a particular film and then activates all kinds of bots and thousands of fake Twitter accounts that could spam the platform of votes 20 times a day every single day from the beginning of voting until the end? In other words, is this open for manipulation?

Yes, it's not only possible, but also very likely. I doubt any bookmakers will introduce this betting category on their boards. Furthermore, to only allow Twitter users to vote is too restrictive. Theoretically by doing this, they want to know the public's opinion, but it is not going to work, because most people who are enthusiasts of movies aren't twitter users. The voting method should be wider, more accessible to everyone.

Manipulation for manipulation, oscars organizers could allow a poll on their official site where people would vote up to 20 times a day per IP...

In the way it's being done, it looks more like an orientated and privileged partnership in order to push up Twitter platform importance as main goal after all.

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Hacking something online is very easy, not for me or you but for hackers. Considering this flaw, the responsibility will be on Twitter, which we have seen in the past that it did not really have a good stance, we saw that Twitter got hacked in the past as well. Therefore considering this they can add a forum on Twitter or some other platform where users can sign up themselves for these things and at the end of the day, can be verified. But then again it's a very long shot and no one can trust that happening. Let's see how they make it harder for the potential hackers since abuse like this is really common.

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Most bookmakers will avoid including these in their betting platform because they know how easy to manipulate the results on social media with bot accounts for very cheap price. Probably the academy will recognize the difficulty of being fair in such and may remove them in the future or just have it for the sake of troll or some fun.

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If Oscars did really end up offering a betting with this award category, then they would probably allot focus and resources in weighing its success and fairness rate, right? Perhaps they have also thought of the susceptibility of this method to cheating and manipulation, and having some experts to monitor and control engagements could be the least they could do. I think Oscars is better than that, mindlessly starting a voting system that could go wrong.

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Quote from: Oceat on February 17, 2022, 05:21:39 PM

If this is prone to cheating then why bet millions or why bet on a losing game? It doesn't matter whose bots are winning but the fact that it's being manipulated and cheated it's just the same as handling your money to someone with ease without the struggle of risking it. Although, we don't know what would they do to something like this since any social media voting is always prone to manipulation and I've seen it even on Facebook and Instagram.

And I don't think they will offer a betting to it since it's too easy to manipulate.

I guess the Oscars know what they're doing and the risk would be up to bettors if they're willing to take it. Any social media platform could easily be manipulated and creating bots to tweet would only be easy but I'm sure that the Oscars would polish it. The organizers will surely do something about it.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on February 18, 2022, 01:16:01 AM

They are already teamed up with twitter by the time they do this and twitter know's what to do to minimize cheating. I think we cant compare twitter to facebook because in my opinion twitter is much stricter and they can control bots and other forms of abuse when compared to facebook but we don't know maybe facebook have improve their security now that are not new anymore. Oscars knows the risk and they think of that before they decided this idea but they have a trust with twitter.

Now, a gambling platform can do the same as well. They need to trust twitter with their voting system and all will be just fine and fair. I am excited for this.

I also liked this new voting that the organizers of the Oscars came up with.
And if you really manage to set the appropriate filters for voting with the help of bots, then you can get a completely objective picture of the preferences of the audience and really choose the best film.
The idea of the organizers is also good because if such a "monster" as the Oscars copes with the task, it will be a good example for other creative competitions.
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I wonder if "Dune" or "The Matrix" will win? Or maybe it will be the last James Bond? I'm slightly intrigued.

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