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legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
December 19, 2023, 02:06:35 AM
#14
That got me thinking, Ordinals could be used for making money laundering transactions, because if a bunch of exchanges let you access the same collection(s) that you bought, you can just buy them on one exchange, and then sell them on another exchange and it will basically be treated as clean money for forensic purposes.
In my mind it works the same as art: part money laundering, part hoping that someone else is going to pay more for it.

I'm not sure how money laundering through miners would work, but if they get several Bitcoins in fees per block, that adds up to 10 million dollars per day or more.

"High Priority" did go from like 100 something to 300 in just matter of minutes. Then down to 150 again still in just minutes and now up to 265.
~what do you think is the reason for this?
Look at Johoe's graph: if a block gets found, fees drop. If a new block takes long, fees go up. It's the same as it was in 2017: too many automated system automatically increase fees. They're all competing for the scarce block space.
member
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December 19, 2023, 01:48:21 AM
#13
Do you think this will stick around for a long time?
Who knows? It stopped last October, but started again a month later. Could it be money laundering through miners?

I am to bad at the theqnical stuff. But I was checking mempool last hour and "High Priority" did go from like 100 something to 300 in just matter of minutes. Then down to 150 again still in just minutes and now up to 265.
(I can have wrong with some numbers so I apologize) But the thing was that it happen so fast, but that maybe normal? Maybe hackers want to destroy for us BTC enthusiasts.

May I ask since I am pretty sure you have good knowledge about this, what do you think is the reason for this?


EDIT: And now when I posted this post it was down to 185 again!! WTF? That's almost 50% change in less then 15 minutes.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
December 19, 2023, 01:31:51 AM
#12
Do you think this will stick around for a long time?
Who knows? It stopped last October, but started again a month later. Could it be money laundering through miners?

That got me thinking, Ordinals could be used for making money laundering transactions, because if a bunch of exchanges let you access the same collection(s) that you bought, you can just buy them on one exchange, and then sell them on another exchange and it will basically be treated as clean money for forensic purposes.
legendary
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December 19, 2023, 01:14:39 AM
#11
Similar to 2017, Bitcoin is under attack. This time the codename of this attack is Ordinals and the problem with this type of attack is that it creates an incentive for regular newbies to participate in this attack.
Fees won't go down as long as this attack continues and this attack will continue until bitcoin core developers fix the exploit Ordinals scammers are abusing to perform their attack and unfortunately the dev team doesn't seem to be interested in fixing this exploit! so we need to find another way...
hero member
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December 18, 2023, 04:30:23 PM
#10
Obviously YES…
Who are the parties who are to benefit more in such case ??

Once you pay a higher fee it is always the miners or let me say specifically the pool that mines the block in which your transaction is included benefits from that fee.

My understanding is that the fee hike is still cause by those shitokens on the bitcoin network, it was ORDI that’s was at the hallmark of it throughout last month but when it’s own hype started reducing we started seeing the transaction fee reducing from hundreds of sats to tens of sats as fees. Then the listing of STATs was done on top exchanges and the congestion started again. I still see this shittokens as the reason for this and not majorly money laundering.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
December 18, 2023, 04:44:54 AM
#9
Do you think this will stick around for a long time?
Who knows? It stopped last October, but started again a month later. Could it be money laundering through miners?

AFAIK nobody say "tainted" coins used to BRC-20, so i doubt that's the case. In addition, since almost all Ordinals TX broadcasted to whole Bitcoin network, they only able to collect fraction of money spend for TX fee which depends on their overall hashrate.
sr. member
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December 17, 2023, 05:50:50 PM
#8
Who knows? It stopped last October, but started again a month later. Could it be money laundering through miners?
Obviously YES…
Who are the parties who are to benefit more in such case ??
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
December 17, 2023, 06:27:16 AM
#7
Do you think this will stick around for a long time?
Who knows? It stopped last October, but started again a month later. Could it be money laundering through miners?
member
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December 17, 2023, 06:02:25 AM
#6
As long as spammers are willing to pay $40+ to create dust transactions, this madness won't stop.
Who's funding this?

It's crazy now. Do you think this will stick around for a long time? Thanks in advance.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
December 17, 2023, 05:59:07 AM
#5
As long as spammers are willing to pay $40+ to create dust transactions, this madness won't stop.
Who's funding this?
hero member
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Crypto Swap Exchange
December 16, 2023, 07:55:41 PM
#4
Use https://whatthefee.io/ or https://mempool.space/ to estimate currently required transaction fees in sat/vB if your wallet doesn't do that properly for you. (I don't use closed-source wallets like Exodus or stupid web wallets of questionable quality.)

Demand for transaction volume, for whatever reasons, fuels transaction fees. Of course, when Bitcoin price rizes it's not uncommon that transaction volume rizes, too. But same when price drops it's not uncommon that we see high transaction volume and high fees.
newbie
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December 16, 2023, 06:44:20 PM
#3
I used to use the blockchain crypto wallet, and back in 2020, I set my fee to the lowest option, which was around like $1, and the transaction did not confirm for 2 weeks. Thought my bitcoin was gone, that’s why I haven’t thought about using a low fee since then. Didn’t think that this would happen again though, but bitcoin has skyrocketed. It’s almost crazy to think that about 2 months ago, bitcoin was low 20k, but now it’s reached 40k! It’d be pretty sweet if it could get past 50k, near it’s all time high by the end of 2023, but I’d wish the transaction fees would reduce by a good amount.
sr. member
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December 16, 2023, 06:12:41 PM
#2
I’m not sure any one knows when the fee will come down to as low as it was earlier before the ordinal madness started, but it will be important for you to start getting use to it for the main time and start making use of means where you can transact with cheaper rate i means making use of wallets that can allow you customize your fee to as low as 30 Sats which if you are not in a hurry to get the BTC across to the next wallet that will help maybe it will take couple of hours or days but it will go through and if you are able to accelerate it then you can see it within few hours in your next wallet.
newbie
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December 16, 2023, 06:09:04 PM
#1
The bitcoin fees right now are absolutely outrageous, anybody have any idea on when it will go down? Exodus user here, and to send bitcoin the fees range anywhere from $15-30! Been like this for a minute, reminds me back in 2020 when the fees were about the same as now for a month. Hopefully it doesn’t stay like this for much longer, but anybody got predictions on how much BTC will hit by the end of 2024?
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