Topic: 🔥🔥 P2PSF Signature Campaign [OPEN] 🔥🔥 - page 2. (Read 9284 times)

Guys, you can argue and tell each own truth here as much as you can, but just tell me when it is going to be token payment? Let's be realists, weekly payment was very small, but token promised to worth something really good "Payout per week: (300 P2Ps = 0.06BTC)" and all of participants hoped for that, so, will it be and when? Thanks.

I get it, man... but in my opinion huh, people who doesn't understand TROJANs and other bugs very well will lose faith in your project because of that "lame excuse". We can say that I am speaking as a fraction of noobs who wants to invest in some ICOs that could bring some fortune, and then here comes YOU saying that your BTCs were "trojaned" and weren't able to pay your advertisers.

But anyway, I also understood your point. You and Decoded could have spoken privately for the project's sake. I am kind of upset because I am an ICO enthusiast. If I could get free tokens from this campaign then that is very awesome... unfortunately, I wasn't able to get an opportunity because this shit happened. I wasn't listed in your spreadsheet though. I am keeping some tokens at the moment (Angel, 808, etcetera etcetera...) You are my next prospect.

I hope your campaign would proceed. I will be interested to join.

First of all, I haven't been paid anything at all. I just joined a few days ago, did my posting, and then was told that the campaign was paused due to lack of funding.

Second, you’re angry because I pointed out that there’s a chance that you could end up scamming us? Promising to pay us after you get your money (and with that you would get a chance to run) would put you in a position to scam us. I never said you would, I only said you could.

Last, honestly, I really don’t care if I’m part of this campaign or not. The only reason I joined is because I already post on this forum and would like to make a few dollars while I do so (or pennies with this campaign). It pays little, has high requirements, and is struggling to make payments.

This is post #791 of mine if I ever do get compensated.

Greetings dear Decoded,

I cannot talk for others, but personally I think Nathan047, a person who has demonstrated lack of understanding and loosely used defaming language against us after having been paid in a timely manner till now through the escrow setup, is in my humble opinion normally considered as making holes in the same plate from which he is fed.

Therefore, I request our dear Decoded to kindly consider removing Nathan047 from this campaign for now and for future. I hope he will immediately cease to wear our signature. He must however be compensated for whatever time he has had the signature. We do not need such people with no understanding of our project or the compassion to represent us anymore.

Thank you for your efforts this far, and assuring you of your payment soon, I send you my,
Best regards.

Sorry, I saw that I had no address in the spreadsheet. I figured that since it was announced mid-week it would be halted the day it was announced, and since I had only made about half the minimum posts in the first half of the week I figured I wasn’t going to be paid at all.

For those who don’t know, Decoded PMed me and said he couldn’t send to the address (it was one of the new(ish) SegWit address) and needed a different address.

Also @Decoded, I was never blaming you. I just figured funds ran out and then randomly in the middle of the week it was going to be announced that we weren't being paid (which was/is out of your control).

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Also @p2psf, I'm not calling you a definite scam. I was just saying that promising to pay after you get your money (and have your chance to run) is a bit fishy. I know that you could have run out of money or got scammed out of your money, however I was pointing out that there is a chance you could run with our money too.

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So the campaign will continue with the promise of payment, or it's paused? Now I'm confused.

Dear Decoded/P2PF,

I will be more thank happy if you guys could work things out amicably rather than saying abusive words.
Mrs Lauda, pls do something about the situation because it seems like both side and OP of this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbounty-p2psf-scammer-they-dont-pay-their-collaborators-2617461 have reason for getting angry. Meanwhile, the own thing will affect the P2PF project if nothing is done.

Hello and greetings dear no0dlepunk,

Thank you for your observation. Please let us know what this has to do with devs? Devs do their job and we as admin do ours. Although a team, do you think a trojan will inform them before coming onto my PC or yours? Or maybe you think we did not take adequate precautions. We ssure you that we have since changed our computers, not just harddisks, because torjans are known to stay long after harddisks are formatted.

Following is just one example of the "proof" for your kind reference and for the reference of Decoded and everyone else who thinks this is a lame excuse.

SENT
August 13 @ 04:33 PM
To:
13JF5274VuNthhwKkLrYyZW73smjSYAEen
From:
152bmp95txfezWj2Z6iT24MyTtYjzH2jX5

Kindly find out the accuracy of our statements before casting a shadow of doubt on a project trying to protect sensitive digital data for the larger good of humanity. We have faced challenges and we are overcoming them. All that we ask is for you to not judge us negatively and put us in the electric chair for some unanticipated delays being encountered. Is that asking for or expecting too much?

Thanking you again,
Best regards.

geeez man... I don't want to be rude, but honestly this excuse is so lame... If you had failed to secure your computer from bugs then how am I going to trust your team of devs?

I see Decoded was diplomatic enough the way he went about the matter and you were supposed to have continued discussions and negotiations in private. Now that you have succeeded in blowing the lead, you're going to require a deep root in Crisis Management, to be able to convince anyone about the continued viability of your project. An attribute of any good manager is in their ability to manage crises, conflicts,successes, etc and  not to become exasperated or attempt to pass the bulk.

Hello and greetings dear Lauda,

It is indeed an honor to address the great Lauda.

When we think of you, the great Atriz, Decoded and other legendary members from whom we learn everyday, we always take our hats off.

Atriz will attest to the fact that as much as we loved to and longed for him to be our campaign manager for all our campaigns, we could not, unfortunately, due to our liquidity situation. If we did not have BTC when BTC was at $4K, we do not have it now simply because when we tried to get hold of 2 BTC, that became a fraction. We anticipated monies coming in that did not happen.

Hope you, and others involved with us, understand that we are highly credible people, primarily educationists. We can, and if need be, put some of our tokens more than the equivalent of all the work that will ever be done till the end of our ICO, into an escrow, if that could give any comfort level to anyone in doubt. Things are not going to be dull always.

This project is determined to see the light of the day soon. Help us please. Thats all we ask. Instead of doubting either our intentions or casting doubts every step of the way, please support us. We are but kids struggling in comparison to you and the Hero Members or Legendary members of this great forum.

Need I say more?

We rest our case with you,
Respectfully yours.

@p2psf, maybe respond to this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbounty-p2psf-scammer-they-dont-pay-their-collaborators-2617461

*sigh*

This back-and-forth has been going on behind the scenes for weeks now. Always a promise of funding, never to be delivered upon. I have not received any payment at all, under an empty promise that you will receive funding "in the next few days".

@p2psf, I already told you weeks ago that I would be pausing the campaign if no payment was received. I'm not going to change that decision now, even if you have some big names "onboard". Keep this discussion private and justify to me why I should keep working for free. If you think I am scamming you, then come to the forums. For now, I am the one being dealt the short straws.

Hello and greetings dear Javi_Anibarro,

Thank you for your opinion. We are not hiding any facts from anyone. We have always been transparent and will continue to be.

Scam seems to word used loosely by some people who possibly fail to understand the negative repercussions on the project which probably has invested in multi millions before reaching this stage. So we needed to clarify and respond to this matter that has been brought in the open.

Thanking you again for your understanding,
Best regards.



 

Hello and greetings dear Nathan047,

I am truly sorry for any inconvenience caused to you.

If a project runs out of liquidity, does that become a scam my dear? Are you guys serious using that word so loosely at the drop of a hat? When have you seen scams run out of money? They vanish after taking a few hundred thousand dollars of your money. We are here after heavily investing into this project over the last several years. Thats the difference. However, we were assured that everything here in this community could be accomplished using our native tokens; so we came here and got into the ICO phase by accident when we should have actually been in a pre-sales phase.

Please show me a project that does not have temporary liquidity issues. And we are not denying that we are having temporary liquidity issues that may be resolved over the next few days. We have funded this project out of pocket so far and thats the reason we are here; to get your support and participation.

Time will prove to you that we are not a scam. There have been extremely understanding people like the ones of our advisory board and there have been the others who told us to our face that they cannot work without upfront BTC/ETH payments and we have respectfully declined to do business with them for now and until we get the liquidity.

Take a look at the escrow, was that not funded before you started wearing your signatures. We understand that this may be one of the ways, if not the only way, for some to put bread on their families table. And we will not want anyone to suffer because of us. So you, and everyone else associated with us, are free to either stop or continue in good faith. That is a call you have to make. But there is absolutely no need to panic. With every sun down there is a dawn. We believe it and I guess you do too.

We are striving hard to make a positive difference for the world at large. Want to continue the journey with us; you are most welcome. No, then we will still continue to love you guys and be ever grateful for all your contributions.

I take this opportunity to thank each and every member of this great community for extending their support to us, and helped us learn the ropes around here.

We look forward to a bright future for this project and would love to have to you with us as we continue our exciting journey.

Thanking you all once again, we send you our,
Best regards.

If someone is really at fault in an *dispute*, then the said issue can, and sometimes even should, be made public.

Posting nonsense will not solve anything, but instead will make your English even worst.

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Watching.

you guys should talk to each other privately,
to be honest it is not a good thing to do it openly like this because it will affect your reputation.
scam or not it has not been proven yet right ?
fighting does not solve anything but instead it will make it even worst.

Hello dear Decoded,

Greetings.

I did not expect such a stalwart person like you to not understand the words that were so clearly spelt out to you. Did you really have to lie that there was lack of communication between us when we responded to you in a timely manner and we had frequent communication?

I told you I will provide proof that I LOST  the Bitcoin I had to a trojan on my PC. I even assured you we can send you our tokens as a deposit to you.

Here is the complete text of that one message from among the many we have exchanged.

"Heres what I can do for you if you can believe me. I will send what I have in my control and thats tokens. Each of them today maybe nothing, even a BTC was nothing some time back. Or for that matter every coin and token. But then there is utility and it picks up value. So I can send to your erc20 wallet 1BTC of our P2PS tokens as a deposit with you to give you the comfort. When I get the BTC its your according to 0.075 times whatever number of weeks. In addition you please retain the tokens as a gift for your trust in us. Sounds good?"

So please tell me why you had to stoop down to these levels to hurt such a good project that has been appreciated by technical leaders?

Today, you have fallen from our eyes, if you know what this means.

Thanking you for all your efforts and wishing you all the very best, we send you our,
Best regards.

I have added you to the spreadsheet. No where did I say that this campaign was halted "mid-week". I have had numerous conversations with the p2psf rep, and they are having trouble with funding. This is why I have paused the campaign. When these problems are fixed, then I will restart the campaign.

I don't see my address in the spreadsheet next to my name. Am I not going to be paid because the campaign was halted mid-week?

This really has "scam that ran out of money" written all over it, let's hope I'm wrong...

**Update: See my next post below:

This will be the last week of the signature campaign, due to lack of communication, funding, and most of all payment to me for this signature campaign
I will not be managing payouts for altcoins, and I have saved all your payment info onto the spreadsheet, so they should be able to send you guys payment after the ICO ends.

The campaign will re-open after we iron out the problems behind the scene, if this ever happens.

Sorry for the inconvenience all,