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legendary
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Err... and to think you are also into signature campaigns... beats me Huh Undecided Shocked
I don't post unintelligible garbage.  And judging by your post here,  you're leaning toward that quality of shitposting.  Heavily. Also, you might want to learn how to quote correctly and not leave a proverbial shit stain upon our common commode here.  Check your work.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1274316.0;all seems like sig ad post count bumping galore.

I wonder what they are talking about in there...

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I doubt that. There are people who are currently signature participants and would like to see them gone for good.

How can you as a mod be unbiased in handling moderation when you clearly take issue with signatures. The irony as already pointed out is that you wear one yourself. So you must be referring to ones self when you made this comment.


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It has a point. Signature campaigns are horrible and I doubt their potential benefits to the ecosystem. Most of the senior members that I've had interaction with agree on removal of signature campaigns.

So horrible that you wear one? You ever think that you are suffering from that bias where like minds flock together.

Spam has decreased and would decrease more with another bump to full member in the cut off. If all signatures implemented such a standard we would not be attacking signatures for spam. Lets look at the real issue being ineffective signature mods,that is the issue and not the actual members. You correct one the other falls in line.
Elimination is short sighted because these same senior members you point to for opinion are they posting anything relevant to help bitcoin community? Hunting spammers,scammers and shilling should not count towards contributing to the forum.

Lets keep the moderating unbiased,you carry more weight than you think and its a shame you use it in this manner.
legendary
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1274316.0;all seems like sig ad post count bumping galore.
There are a few examples of such threads (that are still not locked). I've reported it.

These are the threads where all butthurt users who did not get a chance to enter in any of the campaigns, aggregate themselves and complain against them.
I doubt that. There are people who are currently signature participants and would like to see them gone for good.

If you had a true intention of contributing towards bitcoin community then you wouldn't have wasted time in these bullshit discussions which has no end point to it. Oh the irony! Roll Eyes
It has a point. Signature campaigns are horrible and I doubt their potential benefits to the ecosystem. Most of the senior members that I've had interaction with agree on removal of signature campaigns.
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These are the threads where all butthurt users who did not get a chance to enter in any of the campaigns, aggregate themselves and complain against them.
Having a feature to turn off your signature and a ignore button to do the needful, is enough for you guys to avoid signature spammers as much as you can.

If you had a true intention of contributing towards bitcoin community then you wouldn't have wasted time in these bullshit discussions which has no end point to it. Oh the irony! Roll Eyes

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1274316.0;all seems like sig ad post count bumping galore.
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If you ask me the person you are replying to is a dupe account being used to push the agenda against signatures.
Have seen it once or twice lately in threads where signature users need to be looked at as idiots drooling all over their computers.

The silence by those that usually push the issue is usually another way to sniff it out.
Means they are about to get their way or they are sitting back plotting.
legendary
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why there are people bit angry when someone got sigs?Huh
It's not the signatures that are the problem, it's the useless bullshit that people post to exploit the reward given by these signatures.

thats why this site gets traffic because of sig campaigns here in this furom and i think that really helps, and for those who got sig in their name it has good contribution to this furom why?? because many people came here and it raise traffic
The question is, is that traffic the sort that we want on the forum? Do we really want a mindless bunch of people - not reading threads and spamming the forum - to come here just to satisfy their own greed for some Bitcoin? IMO, the answer is an easy and definite no.
The traffic that signature campaigns bring is the traffic that want's to exploit them for all that they're worth (3/4 of the time). These are not quality members of the forum, and not people we want to be attracting.

why dont you look at yourself and bothering for another people here,
Because retards that spam one sentence posts (due to their signature campaigns) do nothing but bother the people here for learning/community discussion. They are a much bigger problem currently than the people complaining about signature campaigns.

get your own life sig haters and go to other furom if you don want to see people in sig campaign..
Why should other people move from where they enjoy being just so people can take advantage of it (with a negative effect)?
Tell you what, if you move out of your house and let me use it as my personal trash can then I will never complain about signature spammers again. Fair deal? Smiley

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What a useless addition to your post.
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why there are people bit angry when someone got sigs?Huh dont you want  people open a sig campaign in this furom?Huh?? this is can make advertiser go to another furom to advertise their services and thats why this site gets traffic because of sig campaigns here in this furom and i think that really helps, and for those who got sig in their name it has good contribution to this furom why?? because many people came here and it raise traffic and businessman or site owner will come here to advertise thats why sigs and sig campaign member are helpful.

fuck those sig haters,

why dont you look at yourself and bothering for another people here,

get your own life sig haters and go to other furom if you don want to see people in sig campaign..



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[/quote]Yep but it doesn't surprise me at all because theymos hasn't made any changes that I know of.  Account sales still happen, signature campaigns are still going on in full force and these dirt floor, barefoot idiots are still motivated to make easy money by posting unintelligible garbage.

So yeah.  Let's all meet up again on this topic in 2018.  Lol

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Err... and to think you are also into signature campaigns... beats me Huh Undecided Shocked
legendary
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I can speak for my self I am not even thinking of my signature campaign when I am actively posting on this forum although there was a time I was reported for posting a lot just to reach twenty but none of them are spam post and they are made on threads that I fully support or has stakes on it..
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Amazing this is still a problem two years later.

This thread is still fact.


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Yep but it doesn't surprise me at all because theymos hasn't made any changes that I know of.  Account sales still happen, signature campaigns are still going on in full force and these dirt floor, barefoot idiots are still motivated to make easy money by posting unintelligible garbage.

So yeah.  Let's all meet up again on this topic in 2018.  Lol
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also, how did you find this thread?


I'm a fan of the OP!

All kidding aside Lauda has whined ad nausem about people not searching the forum and posting in threads that already exist.

Lauda is very pro-necto so this is in honor of him.


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There is very clear contradictions in how signatures are viewed versus people that do not have a signature.
A forum that allows this option should not allow people to be treated as second class citizens based on a signature.
Why some one that writes three words can get away with accusing some one of spam if beyond me but these are the double standards we live with here.

Glad it was brought up that moderators are not all on the same page with signatures because I was feeling like there was a agenda to make things harder or more scrutinized for people that wear signatures. So when a Mod
tells me to not be in a rush they are showing their bias and I know to stay clear of that person.
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I agree, users often dont report people if they dont have a signature.
Apparently the logic is that you cannot spam if you arent wearing a signature.
TBH most spammers are in signature campaigns, other users dont have the drive to spam.


also, how did you find this thread?
legendary
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Amazing this is still a problem two years later.

This thread is still fact.


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legendary
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I admit that a lot of 'off-topic' is pretty nonsensical.  However, from the point of view of an advertizer, if there are people there posting, then there are probably people there reading and seeing the ads.  Some campaigns have said they don't pay for posts in 'off-topic' (PRC doesn't, for example), but I personally find this a bit close-minded because that just means that folks in off-topic won't be seeing the PRC advert in any signatures.

A signature sponsor obviously wants to advertise in an effort to attract new users.  If I was a sponsor I would not pay for posts in the thread about the signature campaign (everyone there obviously knows about the site already) or off topic.  While I agree users are in off topic, I seriously doubt a lot of posts there get read.  Do you really need to read through everyone else's answers on if some woman is hot or not, or 10,000 images?  No, many just read the OP and post something.  So the marginal value per post is really low.

If Stunna really goes to a full partnership model where you only get paid based on what your referrals play on PD then I think a lot of the posts in these areas will go away since the payback will be too low, but that is just conjecture.

While I agree the signature sponsors can withhold payment, it is time consuming to check all the posts.  Especially for something like the primedice campaign that has so many users in it.  In addition, often times the people who don't get fully paid open up scammer threads.  They never get much traction, but it is another annoyance.

The max on primedice used to be 2.4 bitcoins, which at the time was like 2400 posts per month. To answer Silencedogreat, I make about .05 (the minimum) to .09 per month from Stunna.  This is my main source of "fun" btc.  However, I imagine others make a lot more.
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I admit that a lot of 'off-topic' is pretty nonsensical.  However, from the point of view of an advertizer, if there are people there posting, then there are probably people there reading and seeing the ads.  Some campaigns have said they don't pay for posts in 'off-topic' (PRC doesn't, for example), but I personally find this a bit close-minded because that just means that folks in off-topic won't be seeing the PRC advert in any signatures.
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The problem is that with bans they aren't really that defined here. What about the threads in the off-topic section? You can't really be constructive in threads where you're only supposed to post an image, on the thread with a word game, the thread with questions and such. If I have a signature I have to avoid those threads so that I don't get banned? That doesn't make much sense.

I think PrimeDice (which is the one you're on) lets you remove non-constructive posts from the total post count when requesting a payment. I'm not 100 percent sure whether posts like the ones you mentioned would be counted as being constructive or not but personally, I would probably remove them from my count just to be on the safe side. I do know that posts in the off-topic section can be counted as long as they are constructive. For example, I would definitely count this post if it were mine (it isn't). You would probably have to ask Stunna in his thread if you want a real answer though.

You can and should remove non-constructive posts but most people won't, but making or removing them from your claim is irrelevant as if Badbear sees lots of them you're likely to get banned. It's fine to post in off topic if you're being constructive and probably even posting a few times a month in those typical spam threads there would be ok, but post almost exclusively in that sub with little to no effort going in and you can expect to be banned eventually.
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The problem is that with bans they aren't really that defined here. What about the threads in the off-topic section? You can't really be constructive in threads where you're only supposed to post an image, on the thread with a word game, the thread with questions and such. If I have a signature I have to avoid those threads so that I don't get banned? That doesn't make much sense.

I think PrimeDice (which is the one you're on) lets you remove non-constructive posts from the total post count when requesting a payment. I'm not 100 percent sure whether posts like the ones you mentioned would be counted as being constructive or not but personally, I would probably remove them from my count just to be on the safe side. I do know that posts in the off-topic section can be counted as long as they are constructive. For example, I would definitely count this post if it were mine (it isn't). You would probably have to ask Stunna in his thread if you want a real answer though.

This makes sense entirely.  I have a paid sig and as far as I know I'm not risking any ban by keeping it.  However, if I was looking at a dude who might be spamming and he doesn't have a paid sig, I'd say I'm less likely to ban him than another dude who did have one.  I mean, for the former guy, what's his motivation?  For the latter guy, there's an obvious monetary motivation so he's more suspicious.  I'd say though, rather than "ditch the sig" just "don't drop generic replies".  Take a moment to write something a spambot can't write and you're fine, yes?

One possibility is that they might want to sell the account later on, but that's the only other reason I could think of.
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