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The entire concept of the patent relies on using the human body as part of the sensor. If it was not, all you would have here is a Fitbit with crypto taped to it, which would not qualify for a patent. You will also note in the image, there are no arrows going back and forth from the body to the censor, indicating that they are one device.

The patent literally refers to wearable tech like phones or watches, which are already capable of monitoring your body in tons of ways from heart rate and temp to EKGs and blood oxygen levels.

I do wonder if their justification for this is for the mining to offset the costs of maintaining said medical device.

They may not even be planning anything right now.  As soon as a tech giant comes up with an idea that might be valuable, they patent it.  It's like a lottery ticket.  All you need is 1 good one to make up for thousands of duds.

If they already have plans, I bet it's just some variation of the tons of fitness apps already on the market.  Don't see why the consumer would care if their steps were counted on a block chain or not though.



Fair point. If someone did the research to how many patents are owned but not actually used by tech companies specifically, I'm sure the number would be staggeringly high.
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The entire concept of the patent relies on using the human body as part of the sensor. If it was not, all you would have here is a Fitbit with crypto taped to it, which would not qualify for a patent. You will also note in the image, there are no arrows going back and forth from the body to the censor, indicating that they are one device.

The patent literally refers to wearable tech like phones or watches, which are already capable of monitoring your body in tons of ways from heart rate and temp to EKGs and blood oxygen levels.

I do wonder if their justification for this is for the mining to offset the costs of maintaining said medical device.

They may not even be planning anything right now.  As soon as a tech giant comes up with an idea that might be valuable, they patent it.  It's like a lottery ticket.  All you need is 1 good one to make up for thousands of duds.

If they already have plans, I bet it's just some variation of the tons of fitness apps already on the market.  Don't see why the consumer would care if their steps were counted on a block chain or not though.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/microsoft-own-patent-666/


HAHAHAHA! Now I know you are desperate. Nice appeal to "authority", as if Snopes qualifies. Snopes is shit, and so are your pathetic attempts at an argument.

So, you've read the patent, and your conclusion is that they were intending to use it with some sort of device embedded in peoples flesh, instead of something like a smartphone, fitbit, watch...etc.

Pretty nuts how much influence these conspiracy sites have over people.

This isn't an argument. This is a character attack. Pretty nuts how people think appeal to authority is a logical argument. Furthermore such a thing as you describe it would not qualify for a patent.

I think there's an argument in that. While there may be some truth to the patent with regards to the aforementioned claim, not every patent ends up being what conspiracy sites would like you to believe.

There's no evidence/proof of either for that specific patent AFAIK to lean it in one direction or the other (I could be wrong though). There is, ofc, evidence that tech companies have been eyeing implanted medical devices for a while (including microsoft). I think it's probably more realistic for Microsoft to patent something with regards to wearable technology (a technology they are publicly involved with), rather than planting a microchip into humans. Just my $0.02.

But let's face it, we all knew this day was coming. Eventually, there will be an option for chips to be planted. There are already medical wearables implanted already. Society will have to interpret/decide if the risk is worth the gain. Personally, I don't.

I do wonder if their justification for this is for the mining to offset the costs of maintaining said medical device.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/microsoft-own-patent-666/


HAHAHAHA! Now I know you are desperate. Nice appeal to "authority", as if Snopes qualifies. Snopes is shit, and so are your pathetic attempts at an argument.

So, you've read the patent, and your conclusion is that they were intending to use it with some sort of device embedded in peoples flesh, instead of something like a smartphone, fitbit, watch...etc.

Pretty nuts how much influence these conspiracy sites have over people.

This isn't an argument. This is a character attack. Pretty nuts how people think appeal to authority is a logical argument. Furthermore such a thing as you describe it would not qualify for a patent.

"Even if the subject matter sought to be patented is not exactly shown by the prior art, and involves one or more differences over the most nearly similar thing already known, a patent may still be refused if the differences would be obvious. The subject matter sought to be patented must be sufficiently different from what has been used or described before that it may be said to be non-obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the area of technology related to the invention. For example, the substitution of one color for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable."

"A patent cannot be obtained upon a mere idea or suggestion. The patent is granted upon the new machine, manufacture, etc., as has been said, and not upon the idea or suggestion of the new machine. A complete description of the actual machine or other subject matter for which a patent is sought is required."


https://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/general-information-concerning-patents



The concept of using devices to monitor bodily activity with crypto using such devices is itself not novel. A device which can track and monitor body activity, if nothing more than a "fitbit or a smartphone", by your own argument and definition is not a new concept and therefore not patentable.


More references:

"ID2020 Alliance launches digital ID program with Government of Bangladesh and Gavi, announces new partners at annual summit"

"The American multinational technology company joined ID2020 in January 2018 as a founding partner. Members of the Microsoft team sit on ID2020’s Technical and Program Delivery Advisory Committees."

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/id2020-alliance-launches-digital-id-program-with-government-of-bangladesh-and-gavi-announces-new-partners-at-annual-summit-300921926.html



"Storing medical information below the skin’s surface"

"The research was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Koch Institute Support (core) Grant from the National Cancer Institute."

http://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218




https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/

"I’m Bill Gates, co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. AMA about COVID-19."

"Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it."




"DIGITAL  DOLLAR  WALLET.—The  term  ‘‘dig-11ital  dollar  wallet’’  shall  mean  a  digital  wallet  or  ac-12count,  maintained  by  a  Federal  reserve  bank  on  be-13half  of  any  person,  that  represents  holdings  in  an  14electronic  device  or  service  that  is  used  to  store  dig-15ital  dollars  that  may  be  tied  to  a  digital  or  physical  16identity."

https://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/waters_146_xml_03.23.2020.pdf



"Biocompatible near-infrared quantum dots delivered to the skin by microneedle patches record vaccination"

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162




"Are Bill Gates and the ID2020 Coalition Using COVID-19 To Build Global Surveillance State?"

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/

"The study — which was not conducted on human subjects — did not describe the injection of a “microchip” co-administered with a vaccine. Instead, it described the use of something referred to as a quantum dot. These dots are essentially molecule-sized particles engineered to have unique structures that react to near-infrared light in a way that could theoretically be identified by a device such as a smartphone. It is physically impossible to implant a quantum dot sized device that could actively ping location or any other data to an unknown third party."

You will see the weasel words in bold. You will note, as Snopes often does, they add additional qualifiers in order to claim the whole of the implication is false. They claim because this specific device can not be used for remote tracking, that the claims are false. People object to being tagged like cattle. It has nothing to do with any requirement of being tracked like a GPS unit like Snopes relies on here to disingenuously claim via strawman that what people are objecting to is false.


Which of these sources do you object to TwattySqueal?
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/microsoft-own-patent-666/


HAHAHAHA! Now I know you are desperate. Nice appeal to "authority", as if Snopes qualifies. Snopes is shit, and so are your pathetic attempts at an argument.

So, you've read the patent, and your conclusion is that they were intending to use it with some sort of device embedded in peoples flesh, instead of something like a smartphone, fitbit, watch...etc.

Pretty nuts how much influence these conspiracy sites have over people.
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[img ]https://i.gyazo.com/335a354a9d0af1d17269ceb3ce9795c8.png[/img]
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/microsoft-own-patent-666/


HAHAHAHA! Now I know you are desperate. Nice appeal to "authority", as if Snopes qualifies. Snopes is shit, and so are your pathetic attempts at an argument.
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Let me know when you find anything that excludes a phone or smart watch, both already capable of doing the things described by the patent.

Read the patent.  Not the conspiracy blogs telling you about the patent.  The patent.

Last I checked, those devices aren't embedded in your body and can be left at home. Have you read the patent?



"Human body activity associated with a task provided to a user may be used in a mining process of a cryptocurrency system. A server may provide a task to a device of a user which is communicatively coupled to the server. A sensor communicatively coupled to or comprised in the device of the user may sense body activity of the user. Body activity data may be generated based on the sensed body activity of the user. The cryptocurrency system communicatively coupled to the device of the user may verify if the body activity data satisfies one or more conditions set by the cryptocurrency system, and award cryptocurrency to the user whose body activity data is verified."

The entire concept of the patent relies on using the human body as part of the sensor. If it was not, all you would have here is a Fitbit with crypto taped to it, which would not qualify for a patent. You will also note in the image, there are no arrows going back and forth from the body to the censor, indicating that they are one device.
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I know a lot of the conspiracy sites mention that, but from what I can tell the patent is for a back-end and what it does with data received from 'the device of the user' (which could be a phone, watch, patch, etc)

Do you think the patent is for a device that's embedded into human skin?

Conspiracy sites like M.I.T.?

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162.full
Here's the patent:
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606&tab=PCTBIBLIO

Let me know if you find anything about embedding something into human flesh.

Let me know if you find anything that excludes that potential. Maybe you can jibber some more about conspiracy sites. Better than admitting you have no argument right?

Let me know when you find anything that excludes a phone or smart watch, both already capable of doing the things described by the patent.

Read the patent.  Not the conspiracy blogs telling you about the patent.  The patent.
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[0005] Some exemplary embodiments of the present disclosure may use human body activity associated with a task provided to a user as a solution to“mining” challenges in cryptocurrency systems. For example, a brain wave or body heat emitted from the user when the user performs the task provided by an information or service provider, such as viewing advertisement or using certain internet services, can be used in the mining process. Instead of massive computation work required by some conventional cryptocurrency systems, data generated based on the body activity of the user can be a proof-of-work, and therefore, a user can solve the computationally difficult problem unconsciously. Accordingly, certain exemplary embodiments of the present disclosure may reduce computational energy for the mining process as well as make the mining process faster.




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Let me know if you find anything that excludes that potential.......

This guy gets it Wink Wink
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I know a lot of the conspiracy sites mention that, but from what I can tell the patent is for a back-end and what it does with data received from 'the device of the user' (which could be a phone, watch, patch, etc)

Do you think the patent is for a device that's embedded into human skin?

Conspiracy sites like M.I.T.?

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162.full
Here's the patent:
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606&tab=PCTBIBLIO

Let me know if you find anything about embedding something into human flesh.

Let me know if you find anything that excludes that potential. Maybe you can jibber some more about conspiracy sites. Better than admitting you have no argument right?
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I know a lot of the conspiracy sites mention that, but from what I can tell the patent is for a back-end and what it does with data received from 'the device of the user' (which could be a phone, watch, patch, etc)

Do you think the patent is for a device that's embedded into human skin?

Conspiracy sites like M.I.T.?

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162.full
Here's the patent:
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606&tab=PCTBIBLIO

Let me know if you find anything about embedding something into human flesh.
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I know a lot of the conspiracy sites mention that, but from what I can tell the patent is for a back-end and what it does with data received from 'the device of the user' (which could be a phone, watch, patch, etc)

Do you think the patent is for a device that's embedded into human skin?

Conspiracy sites like M.I.T.?

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162.full
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Do you have a phone?

Do you have a strawman?

I don't see how that's relevant.

Big tech companies look at patents like lottery tickets.  I think MS has almost 100k of them.  If someone comes up with an idea that might be successful at some point in the future, step 1 is patent it.

They probably thought it might be valuable some day for a health related mobile app.

You know it was filed almost 10 years ago right?

What made you click on it...it was the click bait headline on a conspiracy site wasn't it... Wink

It is relevant because a phone is not embedded in your flesh. Your assumptions aren't evidence that there aren't malevolent motives.

I know a lot of the conspiracy sites mention that, but from what I can tell the patent is for a back-end and what it does with data received from 'the device of the user' (which could be a phone, watch, patch, etc)

Do you think the patent is for a device that's embedded into human skin?
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Do you have a phone?

Do you have a strawman?

I don't see how that's relevant.

Big tech companies look at patents like lottery tickets.  I think MS has almost 100k of them.  If someone comes up with an idea that might be successful at some point in the future, step 1 is patent it.

They probably thought it might be valuable some day for a health related mobile app.

You know it was filed almost 10 years ago right?

What made you click on it...it was the click bait headline on a conspiracy site wasn't it... Wink

It is relevant because a phone is not embedded in your flesh. Your assumptions aren't evidence that there aren't malevolent motives.
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Currency that monitors your movement will be very useful in controlling the spread of those new trendy schweet viruses that will be all the rage.Not too many leave their wallet at home...especially when its attached to you.Don't forget to set it for "automatic updates".New release may not be free of charge though although each new release of virus will Grin Grin  Grin

~ID2020
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Do you have a phone?

Do you have a strawman?

I don't see how that's relevant.

Big tech companies look at patents like lottery tickets.  I think MS has almost 100k of them.  If someone comes up with an idea that might be successful at some point in the future, step 1 is patent it.

They probably thought it might be valuable some day for a health related mobile app.

You know it was filed almost 10 years ago right?

What made you click on it...it was the click bait headline on a conspiracy site wasn't it... Wink
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So basically a CAPTCHA?

More like livestock inventory and control.

Do you have a phone?
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