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Topic: Paul Krugman (1998): By 2005 Internet will have no more economic impact than fax (Read 9503 times)

legendary
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Does Krugman believe his own BS? I kind of wonder... Everybody has their price.
Given that his own BS continually changes with the latest socialist scheme or money printing scheme, I've always had to view him as an apologist for the socialist powers that be in the US.  That's a JOB.  I imagine it pays well in various under the table ways.
legendary
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Kahn, presumably drawing on the opinions of pretty reasonable people, predicted that over the last third of the century living standards would double, despite a sharp reduction in work time. He thought that by 2000 a 30-hour workweek, with 13 weeks of vacation per year, would be the norm.

The irony of this is, the above prediction had a decent chance of actually coming to pass, had it not been for greedy, controlling government and monied interests (think 1913) being given a pipeline to suck the lifeblood out of the populace and derail progress.

Also, I've interacted with people with Krugman's mindset. I'd wager that he STILL thinks of the internet as some occasionally-useful, but still-overhyped communication tool.
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Does Krugman believe his own BS? I kind of wonder... Everybody has their price.
legendary
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You don't understand the definition of a fair shake. It's the opposite of an unfair shake. So I'm saying that you're being "unfair". If you think it sums it up nicely, then you're admitting to being unfair.

He's an idiot, and a bigot. That is after a fair shake, even a more than fair shake, is applied. Take everything he says then mix, strain, rinse, repeat, boil and skim: garbage = what it boils down to
But that's so much work just to get garbage.

Reminds me of a truck I saw on the road.  Sign on the side said:

We haul your junk
If you are not happy
Twice your junk back!

legendary
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You don't understand the definition of a fair shake. It's the opposite of an unfair shake. So I'm saying that you're being "unfair". If you think it sums it up nicely, then you're admitting to being unfair.

He's an idiot, and a bigot. That is after a fair shake, even a more than fair shake, is applied. Take everything he says then mix, strain, rinse, repeat, boil and skim: garbage = what it boils down to
hero member
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We should be working a thirty or even twenty hour work week by now however starting not long after 1967 the more we make, the more they take.

Taxes went down, the problem is buying power went down too and cost of living went up.
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Though some of you would like this little gem  Cool

http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

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Why most economists' predictions are wrong.
By Paul Krugman

Everyone knows we are living in a time of spectacular technological progress--progress at a rate that nobody could have foreseen. But is what everyone knows really true?

Recently I went to the library and checked out a once-famous book, Herman Kahn's The Year 2000, published in 1967. The book is a favorite because it is a perfect example of overly optimistic economic forecasting. Kahn, presumably drawing on the opinions of pretty reasonable people, predicted that over the last third of the century living standards would double, despite a sharp reduction in work time. He thought that by 2000 a 30-hour workweek, with 13 weeks of vacation per year, would be the norm. He then went on to worry about the social implications of excessive leisure time. His prophecy didn't come true, but most Americans were too busy trying to make ends meet to notice.

Why was Kahn--along with almost everyone else--so optimistic? Mainly because he expected spectacular technological progress, which for the most part has not materialized.

No bots
Kahn provided a convenient set of tables listing 100 innovations that he considered "very likely" by the year 2000, plus 25 "somewhat unlikely" possibilities. And he actually fares pretty well. Among the very likely developments were many major technological changes that have taken place. He predicted, for example, that most people would have computers at home and that they would be able to use them both to search databases and to communicate. He also predicted pocket phones, VCRs, and home satellite dishes. Indeed, I can't think of a single important technological development since 1967 that was not on his list.

All of his errors were in the opposite direction. Many of the technological developments he predicted, like radical new power sources, dramatically cheaper construction techniques, and undersea cities, did not materialize. In fact, only about a third of his very likely innovations have occurred, by my count, mainly in areas involving information processing; two-thirds have not. (An example: though Kahn was skeptical that housecleaning robots would be available by 1984, he regarded them as more or less a sure thing by 2000.) And not one of the innovations he listed as somewhat likely has taken place--or seems likely to happen any time soon. In short, looking back at the future makes it pretty clear that technology has made less, not more, progress than expected.

How can this be, when information technology is making such strides? One answer is that input isn't the same as output. The raw power of computers has advanced at a stunning speed, but has this advance translated into a comparable improvement in their usefulness? Word processing, to take the most obvious example, hasn't fundamentally improved since the late '80s. And in the view of many people I know, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was actually better for their purposes than any of the bloatware that has followed.

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Another explanation is that when all is said and done, the technological progress we keep hearing about is occurring in only a small part of the economy. Silicon Valley employs something like one-third of 1 percent of U.S. workers, and information technology as a whole no more than 3 or 4 percent, unless you use a definition so broad as to be meaningless.

So never mind the hype. The truth is that we live in an age not of extraordinary progress but of technological disappointment. And that's why the future is not what it used to be.

Paul Krugman is a professor of economics at MIT.

Well he is from MIT, I suppose most readers just follows that he must know best.

Maybe as a professor but was he educated at MIT? No, he was educated at Princeton and works at MIT. But a lot of Boston professors work at MIT so that isn't a big deal.
legendary
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Thought some of you would like this little gem  Cool

http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

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Why most economists' predictions are wrong.
By Paul Krugman
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Paul Krugman is a bigot and a fool. Whatever he says, look the other way. This guy actually advocated for higher inflation (8% is what he said, but since I am assuming he's going by the CPI and not real inflation, I take it to mean he wants it much higher, which is what he said.).

Any time someone tells you how wonderful it is for them to print and spend your money, just figure they a con man.

Hard to go wrong with that.
newbie
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I think its a reasonable article. As someone above points out he was writing this at the height of the dotcom boom. Secondly doesnt anyone see the irony in an article titled 'why economicts predictions are always wrong?' Like, he is an economist, making a prediction ... and it was wrong. hee hee hee.

newbie
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You don't understand the definition of a fair shake. It's the opposite of an unfair shake. So I'm saying that you're being "unfair". If you think it sums it up nicely, then you're admitting to being unfair.
legendary
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sr. member
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Don't be a Krugman apologist.


He was sooo far off the mark.  So, re: technology Krugman is just a shadow.  Don't be afraid of his ethereal gloominess. 


However, he's right concerning capital-biased economies.  Thankfully, Bitcoin serves to help level the playing field in that regard.


newbie
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You guys really aren't giving Krugman a fair shake here. Faxes are seen as having little importance today, but when commercial fax came out, the impact was MASSIVE. Now look at the section of the article where he makes his predictions. It's titled "Paul Krugman prognosticates." That sounds a lot like he's being more playful rather than making completely serious predictions, like he's mocking the idea of being able to make huge bold predictions like that with absolute certainty, like the author he cited did earlier. He's basically asking us to not take it completely serious. And finally, the internet has NOT turned out the be what people thought it would be in when this was published in 1998. Remember this was right before the Dot-com bubble burst. Everyone thought everyone would be buying all of their groceries online, and all business would be done online, and internet magic dust would be sprinkled on all politicians so all governments will be perfect.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/technology/bitcoin-battiness-the-doomed-hope-for-a-pristine-monetary-standard-1.1361048?page=2


krugman strikes again. i emailed the irish times a response to his article pointing out the fallacies, and quoting his fax prediction Cheesy hope it gets into the opinions section or something
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This bull will try to shake you off. Hold tight!
Classic. Thanks for sharing OP
newbie
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We should be working a thirty or even twenty hour work week by now however starting not long after 1967 the more we make, the more they take.
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That''s like writing an article in the early 1800's opining about why the Industrial Revolution is just a passing fad.  Does the man not know anything of history?
He writes two years before the dotcom bubble busts that the internet is overrated.

In retrospect he's right that a lot of the people who were promoting the interent at the time where delusional. pets.com style internet businesses really did fail.
What Krugman failed to forsee is that other internet businesses with innovative ideas sprung up.
sr. member
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That''s like writing an article in the early 1800's opining about why the Industrial Revolution is just a passing fad.  Does the man not know anything of history?
newbie
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add his recent bitcoin articles to the list of predictions gone awry
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