Pay extra if you don´t want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians

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Quote from: gentlemand on December 26, 2015, 10:55:13 PM

It's going to be very interesting to see if they ever manage to get these things ticking around our roads. I think legality and the natural human aversion to ceding control is going to throw a spanner in the works. I do like the concept but making it workable will be a hella task.

While humans are against change, they are also lazy. I really don't see the fear factor being too much of a hindrance, tbh.

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It's going to be very interesting to see if they ever manage to get these things ticking around our roads. I think legality and the natural human aversion to ceding control is going to throw a spanner in the works. I do like the concept but making it workable will be a hella task.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 20, 2015, 03:51:46 AM

Quote from: larem on December 20, 2015, 02:12:09 AM

They're saying they won't be ready for the general population until 2020-2030. The issue is even if the car is safe, other drivers aren't.

Any idea about the cost (I mean capital cost + annual maintenance) ? If the system costs much more per year than the cost of hiring a human driver, then I don't think that too many people might be interested in it. Also, any attempt like this one is likely to attract protests from the drivers union. Grin

And yes.. right now it might be too early to ask about the operating expenses.

They make it seem like it's no different than a regular car in terms of maintenance. The Teslas got an update that makes them pseudo-autonomous now, as a step towards the future.

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It´s much more complex than just driving around. For example the robot will have to evaluate whom to injure or kill in certain situations and whom to save. Some accidents are simply unavoidable. There´s always some unfortunate set of events to contend with. If you´re cruising along in your self-driving car and suddenly the car can´t stop in time to save some people crossing the road but it can drive into a wall, saving them but with uncertain consequences for you. What should it do? If it´s programmed to kill one to save two or more, would you really buy it?

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Quote from: larem on December 20, 2015, 02:12:09 AM

They're saying they won't be ready for the general population until 2020-2030. The issue is even if the car is safe, other drivers aren't.

Any idea about the cost (I mean capital cost + annual maintenance) ? If the system costs much more per year than the cost of hiring a human driver, then I don't think that too many people might be interested in it. Also, any attempt like this one is likely to attract protests from the drivers union. Grin

And yes.. right now it might be too early to ask about the operating expenses.

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Quote from: mudiko on December 19, 2015, 12:21:33 PM

I think they need at least 5 more years to present self-driving autos in a secure form.

They're saying they won't be ready for the general population until 2020-2030. The issue is even if the car is safe, other drivers aren't.

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I think they need at least 5 more years to present self-driving autos in a secure form.

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Quote from: bitsmichel on December 19, 2015, 07:36:03 AM

Quote from: galdur on December 18, 2015, 10:05:45 PM

Hacking automobiles is already very real. How many people have been killed that way is anybody´s guess.

Just last summer, over a million Jeeps had to be recalled after security experts were able to wirelessly control functions like acceleration, brakes, windscreen and radio, rendering the driver powerless. Actually they said they could target hundreds of cars, and would post a tutorial detailing the hack. Don´t know how that went.

Automobiles can already be hacked, driver-less or not. If you want an unhackable car you need a very old model.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 19, 2015, 01:49:19 AM

This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks.

Are you aware of the mk ultra program?

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At least one subproject of the MK Ultra project was about the electronic control of human behaviour (subproject 119). Subproject 119 had the purpose to provide funds for a study to make a critical review of the literature and scientific developments related to the recording, analysis and interpretation of bio-electric signals from the human organism, and activation of the human behaviour by remote means. The survey encompassed five main areas: techniques of activation of the human organism by remote electronic means, bio-electric sensors, recording, analysis and standardization of data.

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Quote from: galdur on December 18, 2015, 10:05:45 PM

Hacking automobiles is already very real. How many people have been killed that way is anybody´s guess.

Just last summer, over a million Jeeps had to be recalled after security experts were able to wirelessly control functions like acceleration, brakes, windscreen and radio, rendering the driver powerless. Actually they said they could target hundreds of cars, and would post a tutorial detailing the hack. Don´t know how that went.

Automobiles can already be hacked, driver-less or not. If you want an unhackable car you need a very old model.

Quote from: notbatman on December 19, 2015, 03:21:25 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 19, 2015, 01:49:19 AM

This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks.

Are you aware of the mk ultra program?

I've added a link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 19, 2015, 01:49:19 AM

This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks.

Are you aware of the mk ultra program?

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Quote from: Laguna77 on December 18, 2015, 08:04:42 PM

I prefer to pay less, and buy a volvo without that stupid system. I can drive myself. I would be bored when i had a self driving car, i need to get my hands onto something. I only trust myself and not kind of software that claims it drives me everywere.

Bruh, with self-driving cars, you can 'bate while you travel. Win-win!

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This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks.

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It´s hype and pipedreams. No way are millions of these robots going to be driving around by themselves in regular traffic in a few years as is projected. It´s too complicated. Too many wildcards from conventional vehicles and also pedestrians. And the environment would have to be adopted to the robots. Half-bankrupt cites aren´t suddenly going to make sure that everything is tip top and pothole free or trim vegetation obscuring key traffic signs. And so on.

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Do you think there would be an advantage to hooking these self-driving cars into the blockchain? Could pay for gas automatically with Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Holliday on December 18, 2015, 01:13:23 PM

I don't care how buggy the software is, I'd trust a robot driver before I'd trust a human driver any day of the week.

Edit: That said, I'd want a conventional vehicle (or a way to completely disable the auto-pilot) set aside for my own personal use, should the need arise.

in most cases, yeah, id have to agree. it seems for the majority of people, people's iq gets halved the moment they get behind the wheel. its a rather strange phenomenon.

still, there isnt an excuse for requiring additional pay to include the portion of the software that avoids pedestrians. that should more or less be a basic safety feature included free of charge in all 'tiers' of the software offered. parallel parking or smooth driving features in case a baby is on board? great. go ahead and charge extra if you really want to. but something as basic as not running into people isnt something that should be seen as 'extra.'

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Fact: crazy or idiotic (or both) car manufacturers install entertainment and information systems that are also connected to the engine and brakes. So, buyer beware.

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Send Volvo to Mexico or Colombia. Should fit right in there. Cheesy

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Hacking automobiles is already very real. How many people have been killed that way is anybody´s guess.

Just last summer, over a million Jeeps had to be recalled after security experts were able to wirelessly control functions like acceleration, brakes, windscreen and radio, rendering the driver powerless. Actually they said they could target hundreds of cars, and would post a tutorial detailing the hack. Don´t know how that went.

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That is what i mean.

What about bugs in the software? What about a car is driving after you and he hacks your software in your car. He could cause you real trouble. And we all know how vulnerable new software is.

One advice keep off your hands on self driving cars.

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Yeah, if it drives you everywhere it can probably be directed to drive you off a cliff or into a wall if it´s in
someone´s interest for some reason.

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