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legendary
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February 07, 2015, 07:17:01 PM
#16
Essentially they want a donation to pay themselves.  If it is a good idea, sell us shares, make it an investment in the company.  If they can't do that, I worry about the nature of their business.

Look at how many of the Bitcoin companies did it, e.g. Blockstream.  I agree with the poster above me, how do we know this isn't a scam within a scam.

That's an extremely uniformed, and frankly, narrow minded comment.

They have already put out some promising tech.  And they did all that on their own dime!

They are going with an iterative development model.

This is a project for the commons.  Keeping the greed out of it is a very wise move to actualize the project vision.



By the way, I don't think it is greedy for them to want to be paid for their work, but if you think keeping greed out of it is a wise move, then why are they asking for money?  (Or is it not greedy for them to want to be paid by someone else, but people who are paying them wanting a return on their money is greedy?)

And by the way, I've lost a lot more in fiat than in bitcoin, when you take into account the loss due to inflation.  I've lost nothing in bitcoin, I have exactly the same number of bitcoins I have had for a long time.

I have no problem with their project, nor the way they fund it, but telling people they are wrong because they don't agree with their method of financing it, IS wrong.  Decentralized exchanges, decentralized everything involved in bitcoin for that matter, is a good idea.


hero member
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Merit: 1000
https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
February 07, 2015, 07:05:35 PM
#15
How much have you lost -- either directly or indirectly -- because of the shenanigans, hacks, frozen accounts, and all out thievery of central exchanges?
0.000000 btc
legendary
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1313
February 07, 2015, 06:04:39 PM
#14
How much have you lost -- either directly or indirectly -- because of the shenanigans, hacks, frozen accounts, and all out thievery of central exchanges?






0

RRIIIGGGHTTT... and the value of your LTC was never affected by central exchange hacks & thefts.

Sheesh... how can the community be so damn short-sighted?

Perhaps it isn't the community that is "so damn short-sighted"? 

legendary
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1313
February 07, 2015, 06:03:50 PM
#13
Essentially they want a donation to pay themselves.  If it is a good idea, sell us shares, make it an investment in the company.  If they can't do that, I worry about the nature of their business.

Look at how many of the Bitcoin companies did it, e.g. Blockstream.  I agree with the poster above me, how do we know this isn't a scam within a scam.

That's an extremely uniformed, and frankly, narrow minded comment.

They have already put out some promising tech.  And they did all that on their own dime!

They are going with an iterative development model.

This is a project for the commons.  Keeping the greed out of it is a very wise move to actualize the project vision.



I firmly believe in supporting people, but unless they are going to operate as a charity, I don't believe in supporting them like one.  They want handouts from other people so they can build something and then potentially profit from it or at minimum support themselves and their lifestyles from it.

What is an extremely uninformed and narrow minded comment is your's. 



hero member
Activity: 632
Merit: 500
February 07, 2015, 04:33:03 PM
#12
There are projects underway to solve the problem of decentralised exchange that don't require crowdfunding.  Seems odd that bitsquare need money to achieve the same thing.  People should support the innovative coins that are integrating AT instead.

Every p2p solution requires on and off ramps.  Now do you want to show me some viable decentralized solutions for that?

...enlighten me!

We don't have them!  We desperately need them!  The more projects solving this problem the better.


hero member
Activity: 632
Merit: 500
February 07, 2015, 04:31:08 PM
#11
How much have you lost -- either directly or indirectly -- because of the shenanigans, hacks, frozen accounts, and all out thievery of central exchanges?






0

RRIIIGGGHTTT... and the value of your LTC was never affected by central exchange hacks & thefts.

Sheesh... how can the community be so damn short-sighted?
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 3191
Leave no FUD unchallenged
February 07, 2015, 04:27:08 PM
#10
There are projects underway to solve the problem of decentralised exchange that don't require crowdfunding.  Seems odd that bitsquare need money to achieve the same thing.  People should support the innovative coins that are integrating AT instead.
legendary
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Merit: 1014
In Satoshi I Trust
February 07, 2015, 02:40:54 PM
#9
How much have you lost -- either directly or indirectly -- because of the shenanigans, hacks, frozen accounts, and all out thievery of central exchanges?






0
hero member
Activity: 632
Merit: 500
February 07, 2015, 12:35:04 PM
#8
How does one know that this isnt another scam within itself?

What would be the scam?  Take the money and run?

They've been upfront with everything.

They've already put out some very promising tech.  The project is well along in the development cycle.

If that's a scam, then that's a lot of hard work for a 120 BTC payoff!
hero member
Activity: 632
Merit: 500
February 07, 2015, 12:33:05 PM
#7
Essentially they want a donation to pay themselves.  If it is a good idea, sell us shares, make it an investment in the company.  If they can't do that, I worry about the nature of their business.

Look at how many of the Bitcoin companies did it, e.g. Blockstream.  I agree with the poster above me, how do we know this isn't a scam within a scam.

That's an extremely uniformed, and frankly, narrow minded comment.

They have already put out some promising tech.  And they did all that on their own dime!

They are going with an iterative development model.

This is a project for the commons.  Keeping the greed out of it is a very wise move to actualize the project vision.

member
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CurioInvest [IEO Live]
February 07, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
#6
Bitsquare is a great project and I truly hope they succeed.

But I prefer coinffeine's approach that seems smarter and more simple (no arbitrators).
legendary
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1313
February 07, 2015, 12:23:41 PM
#5
Essentially they want a donation to pay themselves.  If it is a good idea, sell us shares, make it an investment in the company.  If they can't do that, I worry about the nature of their business.

Look at how many of the Bitcoin companies did it, e.g. Blockstream.  I agree with the poster above me, how do we know this isn't a scam within a scam.
legendary
Activity: 868
Merit: 1006
February 07, 2015, 12:15:57 PM
#4
How does one know that this isnt another scam within itself?
hero member
Activity: 632
Merit: 500
February 07, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
#3
I like the project,but if I understand this is not an investment but a not returnable money, isn't it?

It's an investment in the infrastructure that makes all your other cyrpto assets that much more valuable.  While you may not see a direct return, you're going to see a far greater indirect return.

hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
February 07, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
#2
I like the project,but if I understand this is not an investment but a not returnable money, isn't it?
hero member
Activity: 632
Merit: 500
February 07, 2015, 11:37:19 AM
#1
How much have you lost -- either directly or indirectly -- because of the shenanigans, hacks, frozen accounts, and all out thievery of central exchanges?

Whether you were a direct victim or not, if you're holding any crypto currencies, you've paid.  You paid in the loss of value.  You paid in the loss of trust for merchant adoption.  You paid in the loss of utility value.

...You've paid dearly for the actions of a small few!

Time for the community to do something about it.  A trustless, P2P exchange the crypto ecosystem must have if we are going to ever hit mass adoption. This project is a big step in the right direction.

https://bitsquare.io/crowdfunding/

C'mon guys.  Step up.  2 days left in the funding cycle.  Lets insure they get the funding they need.  Send a message to the F$$%# power structures that are doing everything to take down central exchanges.

We pay now for these kind of projects, or we pay a heavy price later when the next central exchange gets knocked off.  

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