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Topic: Paypal screw up again [Bitcoin wins] - page 2. (Read 4638 times)

hero member
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October 28, 2014, 01:43:18 PM
#47
Let`s be real here.... If we are making purchases (especially large ones) - there should be buyer protection.    I don`t think Bitcoin is winning in this case...  IMHO.

Why not ? you can simply use Escrow in Bitcoin.
in Paypal even using  Middleman won't help lol ... it's 180 freaking days man, It may protect the buyer very well but the seller is screwed up totally  Shocked
sr. member
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October 28, 2014, 01:29:59 PM
#46
Let`s be real here.... If we are making purchases (especially large ones) - there should be buyer protection.    I don`t think Bitcoin is winning in this case...  IMHO.
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October 28, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
#45
Anyway, always remember that "Paypal Sucks"  Grin
http://www.paypalsucks.com/
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October 28, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
#44
Paypal is the worst, I hope 5 yrs from now everyone is using btc as much as they are using paypal now.
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October 28, 2014, 12:08:23 PM
#43
Buyer protection? More like scammer protection.

If you read through their "policies" its easy to scam if you carefully work around them.  Its happened to me before and was NOT fun.  They definitely need to work on their case review process and use some common sense sometimes.
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October 28, 2014, 11:18:47 AM
#42
Buyer protection? More like scammer protection.
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October 28, 2014, 10:36:55 AM
#41
Example:Buy PS4 through PayPal, play with console for 170 or so days(may be less), file dispute, get money back. Profit.

But what is most likely to happen. Buy bitcoins through PayPal, wait 170 or so days and file dispute, get money back.

The market will find an equilibrium point even in this case. No need to worry for this, the market has been doing it for ages.

Just so you know, I have had 3 separate people try to burn me when I was selling peercoin and feathercoins a year back. They filed a dispute and luckily ebay took my blockchain proof and let me keep my money. But initially for the first 30 days of this ebay took my money and held it hostage. Thank goodness for me keeping all email correspondence between the person and I. The emails showed they asked me to send to "X" address and I told them I would send it from my "Y" address and asked them if that was ok. Once I got them to say yes it is ok and I asked them again to verify their address only then did I send after I was paid. Then 40 days later charge backs hit for these people(within the same week).

So I was out 900+ bucks across 3 disputes for a 30 day period. This is not fun at all, especially since I was pretty sure I was going to get screwed. Blockchain for feathercoin and peercoin was the only thing that saved me and luckily i made them confirm multiple times for undeniable proof.

Extending it out by half a year gives these scammers more of an opportunity to scam you because now you gotta dig through everything and ebay takes your funds back and blah... My dad also gets the occasional scam by people using the "buyers protection" and he has like 500 feedback @ 99.5% positive and the only negative two were from some guy who thought he bought something new but it said used and he was an idiot. My dad has gotten scammed by people saying they didn't get shipments of items and stuff and it seriously is a joke. people hack other people's accounts and screw around.
legendary
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October 28, 2014, 10:35:55 AM
#40
Each transaction now takes 180 days to clear.
legendary
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October 28, 2014, 10:25:29 AM
#39
If you think that's bad, try looking at online marketplaces, I think I have no choice but to put some of my stuff on there at least because that's where everyone is right now.
newbie
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October 28, 2014, 10:23:41 AM
#38
this is really insane now scammer can scam for a long period of time .
sr. member
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October 28, 2014, 10:16:09 AM
#37
I really dont want to be fuckd up by paypal. I really depend on it right now..

Then just tell sender or whoever they are to start sending in bitcoins lol
I use paypal too but never dependent on it.
newbie
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October 28, 2014, 10:09:48 AM
#36
I really dont want to be fuckd up by paypal. I really depend on it right now..
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October 24, 2014, 05:07:46 AM
#35


Exactly , they may just stick with big companies like Ebay , Amazon , Aliexpress , Alibaba etc.
This may be protecting the buyer ... but the seller is in deep shit  Roll Eyes

It doubtful that any merchant would drop Paypal for this.They'll be losing consumer's support if they do so, really bad for business.This is pretty much a  win win for Paypal which is why this move is pretty clever/shrewd manoeuvring by Paypal.
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October 24, 2014, 05:00:55 AM
#34
Paypal will loose merchants because of this because chargebacks are going on merchant's expense. They are so stupid.

Exactly , they may just stick with big companies like Ebay , Amazon , Aliexpress , Alibaba etc.
This may be protecting the buyer ... but the seller is in deep shit  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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October 24, 2014, 05:00:23 AM
#33
They just made it worse while we were complaining about 45 days chargeback system. It's now 180 days that means a seller is vulnerable to chargebacks anytime over 6 months.
newbie
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October 24, 2014, 04:56:42 AM
#32
opposed to waiting 100+ days anyway.

This may be true in most cases, but there are digital good selling sites where buyers REP means a lot. Such a long time to fill dispute means it is possible for a scammer not taint his REP for 6 months, scamming lots of sellers in that period. When -REPs will come it, scammer will be already long gone and started another account.
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October 24, 2014, 04:41:38 AM
#31
Paypal will loose merchants because of this because chargebacks are going on merchant's expense. They are so stupid.

Well if this is the case merchants should refuse to accept Paypal, but they probably wont. Isn't this 180 day limit similar to the timeframe you get with creditcards? I think if people are going to pull of a charegback scam they would do it within a month as opposed to waiting 100+ days anyway.
full member
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October 24, 2014, 04:18:35 AM
#30
Paypal will loose merchants because of this because chargebacks are going on merchant's expense. They are so stupid.

And those same merchants will be coming back to Paypal when their customers demand them more buyer's protection, lest the want to lose business to competitors that still use Paypal.
newbie
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October 24, 2014, 04:07:13 AM
#29
This is huge win for scammers. Buyer protection is nice feature, but really - isnt 45 days enough to fail a dispute? Its such a long time. Buyers can easly analyse sellers, read reviews, reps and so on. Seller cant do things like that. Obviously, honest sellers are paying the price of customers being stupid and involving themselves in scams.
legendary
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October 24, 2014, 03:28:16 AM
#28
Paypal will loose merchants because of this because chargebacks are going on merchant's expense. They are so stupid.
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