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Topic: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! - page 102. (Read 378920 times)

legendary
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October 21, 2014, 09:14:11 AM

Its a shame they wont even take 1 pic of anything to post here.  At least post a few miners with a pbmining sign in front of them.


Do you realize how easy that is to fake?

The best POM (proff of mining) would be to see PBMinning come up as the miner of blocks when looking at Blockchain.info. Also, a mining address. But, if they haven't done it at this point, I don't expect they will.
sr. member
Activity: 305
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October 21, 2014, 05:54:27 AM
Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
Because they're clearly satisfied with how their service is turning out and doesn't feel the need to please everyone that's screaming ponzi? Smiley

That makes no sense. Why would you purposely turn away potential customers?

If there are so many people screaming ponzi, wouldn't the logical response be to prove you are not a ponzi?

Why would PBmining spend so much time/effort implementing a complicated coin mixer AFTER people begin the ponzi accusations?

Did Mr PBmining wake up one day and think to himself "how can I make my company look much more sketchy and make it much harder for me to acquire customers?"

PBmining could be massive if they would have just proved their legitimacy 10 months ago. I'd guess they could have more 10PH/s by now if they didn't limit their customer base to gamblers and gullible noobs.

Its a shame they wont even take 1 pic of anything to post here.  At least post a few miners with a pbmining sign in front of them.

Id say scam potential here is at 70%

They've been around for quite a while now! It is still possible they're a scam / ponzi / don't even mine.

Fact is, they've been paying out to date with only MINOR issues.
newbie
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October 21, 2014, 02:06:17 AM
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newbie
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October 21, 2014, 02:05:41 AM
Maybe he/she have mental condition.
Haha! This is coming from someone who won't listen to logic from a person that has called out numerous scams before they collapsed.

I think you're the one who may have a slight mental deficiency.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z115/varthshenon/tiem.jpg
newbie
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Merit: 0
October 21, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
Maybe he/she have mental condition.
Haha! This is coming from someone who won't listen to logic from a person that has called out numerous scams before they collapsed.

I think you're the one who may have a slight mental deficiency.
newbie
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Merit: 0
October 21, 2014, 12:54:24 AM
We've been reading your red flags for pages already, everyone got your point mate. But the truth is, those who care are gone and those who don't, well they enjoy while it lasts. Just stop filling the board with useless talks and increasing your post counts.
If you are all aware of the fact that it is a ponzi please don't call for investigations to track down the owner when it inevitably collapses. You have taken a gamble and you can suffer the consequences when you lose your coins.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
October 20, 2014, 10:46:40 PM
Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
Because they're clearly satisfied with how their service is turning out and doesn't feel the need to please everyone that's screaming ponzi? Smiley

That makes no sense. Why would you purposely turn away potential customers?

If there are so many people screaming ponzi, wouldn't the logical response be to prove you are not a ponzi?

Why would PBmining spend so much time/effort implementing a complicated coin mixer AFTER people begin the ponzi accusations?

Did Mr PBmining wake up one day and think to himself "how can I make my company look much more sketchy and make it much harder for me to acquire customers?"

PBmining could be massive if they would have just proved their legitimacy 10 months ago. I'd guess they could have more 10PH/s by now if they didn't limit their customer base to gamblers and gullible noobs.

Its a shame they wont even take 1 pic of anything to post here.  At least post a few miners with a pbmining sign in front of them.

Id say scam potential here is at 70%
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 0
October 20, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
Because they're clearly satisfied with how their service is turning out and doesn't feel the need to please everyone that's screaming ponzi? Smiley

That makes no sense. Why would you purposely turn away potential customers?

If there are so many people screaming ponzi, wouldn't the logical response be to prove you are not a ponzi?

Why would PBmining spend so much time/effort implementing a complicated coin mixer AFTER people begin the ponzi accusations?

Did Mr PBmining wake up one day and think to himself "how can I make my company look much more sketchy and make it much harder for me to acquire customers?"

PBmining could be massive if they would have just proved their legitimacy 10 months ago. I'd guess they could have more 10PH/s by now if they didn't limit their customer base to gamblers and gullible noobs.

Fact is that people do get paid, and they genuinely like it.
^ Said anyone who ever participated in a ponzi before it collapsed.

It's just sad to see the bitcoin community falling for the same scams over and over which can be easily prevented. If the everyone would just adopt the most basic standards like requiring proof of mining via a mining address then 99% of cloudmining scams could be avoided. Although I think most people already require simple proof of legitimacy, there's a never ending wave of noobs who oppose the idea.

But you're right I think I've made my point, I'll leave and let you guys enjoy your gambling. I just hope you guys are honest when spamming your referral links and don't pretend pbmining is a completely legit mining operation without massive risks for a tiny reward.

What's your purpose? Letting people know that you think it's a ponzi? You have done that multiple times already.

It's up to PBmining to decide how they run their business, if this is how they want it, then let it be so.

You clearly are no fan of PBmining, why not just skip them and focus on other things...

Maybe he/she have mental condition.
legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1427
October 20, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
Because they're clearly satisfied with how their service is turning out and doesn't feel the need to please everyone that's screaming ponzi? Smiley

That makes no sense. Why would you purposely turn away potential customers?

If there are so many people screaming ponzi, wouldn't the logical response be to prove you are not a ponzi?

Why would PBmining spend so much time/effort implementing a complicated coin mixer AFTER people begin the ponzi accusations?

Did Mr PBmining wake up one day and think to himself "how can I make my company look much more sketchy and make it much harder for me to acquire customers?"

PBmining could be massive if they would have just proved their legitimacy 10 months ago. I'd guess they could have more 10PH/s by now if they didn't limit their customer base to gamblers and gullible noobs.

Fact is that people do get paid, and they genuinely like it.
^ Said anyone who ever participated in a ponzi before it collapsed.

It's just sad to see the bitcoin community falling for the same scams over and over which can be easily prevented. If the everyone would just adopt the most basic standards like requiring proof of mining via a mining address then 99% of cloudmining scams could be avoided. Although I think most people already require simple proof of legitimacy, there's a never ending wave of noobs who oppose the idea.

But you're right I think I've made my point, I'll leave and let you guys enjoy your gambling. I just hope you guys are honest when spamming your referral links and don't pretend pbmining is a completely legit mining operation without massive risks for a tiny reward.

What's your purpose? Letting people know that you think it's a ponzi? You have done that multiple times already.

It's up to PBmining to decide how they run their business, if this is how they want it, then let it be so.

You clearly are no fan of PBmining, why not just skip them and focus on other things...
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 509
October 20, 2014, 03:45:52 PM
Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
Because they're clearly satisfied with how their service is turning out and doesn't feel the need to please everyone that's screaming ponzi? Smiley

That makes no sense. Why would you purposely turn away potential customers?

If there are so many people screaming ponzi, wouldn't the logical response be to prove you are not a ponzi?

Why would PBmining spend so much time/effort implementing a complicated coin mixer AFTER people begin the ponzi accusations?

Did Mr PBmining wake up one day and think to himself "how can I make my company look much more sketchy and make it much harder for me to acquire customers?"

PBmining could be massive if they would have just proved their legitimacy 10 months ago. I'd guess they could have more 10PH/s by now if they didn't limit their customer base to gamblers and gullible noobs.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
October 20, 2014, 03:33:29 PM
I´m doing my best to help them maintain the ponzi. Sent half a bitcoin today.  Grin

Only in the PBmining thread do people(and likely shills) constantly let everyone know how much money they are spending on gambling.

BTW here's some similar scams totally reputable investment opportunities you guys might be interested in:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptcominercom-earn-3-45-daily-from-your-investment-762929

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wwwlunaminecom-00025-btcghs-mining-contracts-on-demand-withdrawals-675315

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bit-miningco-btc-ltc-mining-services-351935
All those ran with investments though, PBMining has not. I'd also guess they've reached their investment peak long time ago ( the point where it'd be the most profitable to run with the investments ).

You could be right but I don't think there is any way to know when they will/have peaked.

Look at the "sent" chart: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z

Their payouts/customers have been increasing pretty steadily so I think it's possible they have hopes of reaching a higher peak.

Anyways for every reason that they might be legit, there are a dozen reasons they are probably not.

Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?

We've been reading your red flags for pages already, everyone got your point mate. But the truth is, those who care are gone and those who don't, well they enjoy while it lasts. Just stop filling the board with useless talks and increasing your post counts.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 256
October 20, 2014, 03:15:35 PM
I´m doing my best to help them maintain the ponzi. Sent half a bitcoin today.  Grin

Only in the PBmining thread do people(and likely shills) constantly let everyone know how much money they are spending on gambling.

BTW here's some similar scams totally reputable investment opportunities you guys might be interested in:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptcominercom-earn-3-45-daily-from-your-investment-762929

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wwwlunaminecom-00025-btcghs-mining-contracts-on-demand-withdrawals-675315

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bit-miningco-btc-ltc-mining-services-351935
All those ran with investments though, PBMining has not. I'd also guess they've reached their investment peak long time ago ( the point where it'd be the most profitable to run with the investments ).

You could be right but I don't think there is any way to know when they will/have peaked.

Look at the "sent" chart: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z

Their payouts/customers have been increasing pretty steadily so I think it's possible they have hopes of reaching a higher peak.

Anyways for every reason that they might be legit, there are a dozen reasons they are probably not.

Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
Because they're clearly satisfied with how their service is turning out and doesn't feel the need to please everyone that's screaming ponzi? Smiley
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 509
October 20, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
I´m doing my best to help them maintain the ponzi. Sent half a bitcoin today.  Grin

Only in the PBmining thread do people(and likely shills) constantly let everyone know how much money they are spending on gambling.

BTW here's some similar scams totally reputable investment opportunities you guys might be interested in:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptcominercom-earn-3-45-daily-from-your-investment-762929

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wwwlunaminecom-00025-btcghs-mining-contracts-on-demand-withdrawals-675315

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bit-miningco-btc-ltc-mining-services-351935
All those ran with investments though, PBMining has not. I'd also guess they've reached their investment peak long time ago ( the point where it'd be the most profitable to run with the investments ).

You could be right but I don't think there is any way to know when they will/have peaked.

Look at the "sent" chart: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z

Their payouts/customers have been increasing pretty steadily so I think it's possible they have hopes of reaching a higher peak.

Anyways for every reason that they might be legit, there are a dozen reasons they are probably not.

Again, PBmining could dispel all rumors/doubt by simply providing a mining address. Why don't they?
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 256
October 20, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
I´m doing my best to help them maintain the ponzi. Sent half a bitcoin today.  Grin

Only in the PBmining thread do people(and likely shills) constantly let everyone know how much money they are spending on gambling.

BTW here's some similar scams totally reputable investment opportunities you guys might be interested in:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptcominercom-earn-3-45-daily-from-your-investment-762929

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wwwlunaminecom-00025-btcghs-mining-contracts-on-demand-withdrawals-675315

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bit-miningco-btc-ltc-mining-services-351935
All those ran with investments though, PBMining has not. I'd also guess they've reached their investment peak long time ago ( the point where it'd be the most profitable to run with the investments ).
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
October 20, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
Maybe someone can pass the hat around for this guy. I´m sure it´d be much more exciting for him to have a $20 stake while waiting for the co. to fold.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 509
October 20, 2014, 02:35:52 PM
I´m doing my best to help them maintain the ponzi. Sent half a bitcoin today.  Grin

Only in the PBmining thread do people(and likely shills) constantly let everyone know how much money they are spending on gambling.

BTW here's some similar scams totally reputable investment opportunities you guys might be interested in:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptcominercom-earn-3-45-daily-from-your-investment-762929

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wwwlunaminecom-00025-btcghs-mining-contracts-on-demand-withdrawals-675315

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bit-miningco-btc-ltc-mining-services-351935
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
October 20, 2014, 02:19:22 PM
I´m doing my best to help them maintain the ponzi. Sent half a bitcoin today.  Grin
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
October 20, 2014, 02:19:06 PM

 =snip=

Even mega-scale mining operations with the cheapest electricity in the world cannot compete with PBmining and their free electricity generator.

They don't really offer free electricity, we are forced to give some BTC when we buy GHs but I don't know how many uBTC they charge per GHs. Anybody? Huh

   ~~MZ~~

MrTeal summarized it quite nicely:

The proof is that people are getting their payments every week, and this since January.

He's saying the offer is too good. Right now they are charging $0.60 per GH/s for a 5 year "guaranteed" contract. Out of that, they have to pay
1. Capital cost of the equipment
2. Capital cost of the facility its housed in
3. Maintenance and replacement of failures for 5 years
4. Power for 5 years
5. A normal profit

Just look at the power cost: Even if they somehow average 0.2J/GH/s over that time (3.5x better than anything on the market) and pay $0.04/kWh, that's 8.76kWh and $0.35 in power. Equipment costs are similar, even in bulk that's another $0.30/GH/s. That's just the initial investment in equipment, it says nothing of the additional investment needed to keep pace with efficiency.
If they are doing what they claim which is actually operating the hashrate they're selling, there's no way they can do so and still make money. If they actually are in Saskatchewan as they claim, the numbers are even worse as you won't get power anywhere close to $0.04/kWh.

Why do you think actual hardware manufacturers are charging more than PBmining for cloudmining contracts? Don't forget that they have huge discounts on hardware/electricity which PBmining doesn't (a few TH/s per week is hardly enough for any sort of bulk discounts/economies of scale).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Canada#Rates

With only ~3MW (assuming it's not a ponzi) PBmining would only qualify for medium power, so at best they are paying ~$0.07/kwh which is pretty bad compared to their competition in Iceland/Washington who pay as little as $0.03/kwh.

How does PBmining have the best contract prices while paying more than twice the price for electricity? How do they make a profit?

And the most important question: Why is pbmining mixing coins if they are supposedly legit? If anyone can give me a logical answer I'll leave this thread permanently.



You're answering yourself
hero member
Activity: 770
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October 20, 2014, 02:08:41 PM

 =snip=

Even mega-scale mining operations with the cheapest electricity in the world cannot compete with PBmining and their free electricity generator.

They don't really offer free electricity, we are forced to give some BTC when we buy GHs but I don't know how many uBTC they charge per GHs. Anybody? Huh

   ~~MZ~~

MrTeal summarized it quite nicely:

The proof is that people are getting their payments every week, and this since January.
He's saying the offer is too good. Right now they are charging $0.60 per GH/s for a 5 year "guaranteed" contract. Out of that, they have to pay
1. Capital cost of the equipment
2. Capital cost of the facility its housed in
3. Maintenance and replacement of failures for 5 years
4. Power for 5 years
5. A normal profit

Just look at the power cost: Even if they somehow average 0.2J/GH/s over that time (3.5x better than anything on the market) and pay $0.04/kWh, that's 8.76kWh and $0.35 in power. Equipment costs are similar, even in bulk that's another $0.30/GH/s. That's just the initial investment in equipment, it says nothing of the additional investment needed to keep pace with efficiency.
If they are doing what they claim which is actually operating the hashrate they're selling, there's no way they can do so and still make money. If they actually are in Saskatchewan as they claim, the numbers are even worse as you won't get power anywhere close to $0.04/kWh.

Why do you think actual hardware manufacturers are charging more than PBmining for cloudmining contracts? Don't forget that they have huge discounts on hardware/electricity which PBmining doesn't (a few TH/s per week is hardly enough for any sort of bulk discounts/economies of scale).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Canada#Rates

With only ~3MW (assuming it's not a ponzi) PBmining would only qualify for medium power, so at best they are paying ~$0.07/kwh which is pretty bad compared to their competition in Iceland/Washington who pay as little as $0.03/kwh.

How does PBmining have the best contract prices while paying more than twice the price for electricity? How do they make a profit?

And the most important question: Why is pbmining mixing coins if they are supposedly legit? If anyone can give me a logical answer I'll leave this thread permanently.
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
October 20, 2014, 01:19:09 PM
There are places on this earth where electricity is REAL cheap.  Grin
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