Topic: People commenting on the first page without having read the previous posts. (Read 764 times)

You guys are doing exactly what the discussion is about, not reading previous posts before writing something in a thread. 

Please read this:

And if you guys aren't talking about this specific thread, then your responses are off-topic and illogical because we are not discussing why people make posts in old threads but we are discussing why people don't read either the OP or previous posts before going ahead and writing a new post which is why most responses in most threads are illogical despite being a bit on-topic.

Exactly my thought. Replying to old post who has probably answer the question a lot of times, is just a waste of time, unless if OP was still not satisfied with the previous answers then everyone is free to add their insights and ideas on the thread. But in all honesty, when you see threads having long pages already, that needs not to prolong the thread anymore but find new threads instead that have not been seen making good replies.

Send a pm to such member sound most appropriate to me, but while at that, it is important to also make use of the report to moderators features,  since such a comment is regarded as repeatation and could drain the thread and put us off the main topic of decisions.

So having it deleted by the moderator and warning the member through pm will help stop future occurrence of such posting patterns.

I'm not sure why you're surprised, it's actually a relatively common occurrence, this, along with gravedigging old threads and replying to the starting post, instead of trying to keep up with the conversation in the last few pages. I locked two major topics of mine for this reason, people were either posting nonsense that had nothing to do with the topic itself, and other users were replying to the first spammer making a chain of spam posts that are irrelevant to the topic.

I wouldn't be surprised if the users you quoted were using AI or had copied their reply from somewhere else (plagiarism). People do a lot of dumb stuff to appear knowledgeable and show up in the first pages, making sure their reply isn't lost among many others.

Well of course not, because not only do people not read the OP of a thread, they don't read any of the posts contained within it so they wouldn't even have noticed a douchebag like that and his nonsense.  And even if the average bitcointalk member did read the post, what incentive do they have to confront some random shitposter about his lack of etiquette?

You know, members here do need to be called out or even given a neutral tag when they're obviously writing crap and doing no reading whatsoever.  The problem with calling them out in a thread is that they probably won't even notice it, as they'll have rapidly moved on to make dozens of other nonsense posts in dozens of other threads.

This forum is only getting worse.


I'll be the first to admit I don't read any thread all the way through before replying.  It's not because I'm in a rush to make a signature campaign quota but because I'm usually just dropping my opinion and have come to expect most replies to be mediocre at best, with the majority of them containing very little thought.  I do read the OP in full about 90% of the time (lol) however. 

Ah, reporting a member to their campaign manager is a better idea than giving someone a neutral tag, especially since most managers wouldn't care about a neutral when considering an applicant.

I got to find out that was a thing after a user got caught and even had the guts to come defend to having being doing that and didn’t take much of ot since everyone else was doing it. Like, everyone else, I really wished the user got to list his colleagues in this act but, I didn’t care to ask at the time.
I don’t know the validity this gives to these accounts especially when your going to end up with an off-topic reply or would have the edit timer labeled on your comment just to ensure your the first to have made a comment on a thread.

Am sure with threads being created against these behaviors and posting habits, users are taking notes, most especially managers but, first page sampling is the desired by managers so, what do a few care. In essence, you do more harm to your account as an individual than you would to the campaign.

It doesn’t make sense to not read at least the OP and preceding comments or the continued discussions on a more recent page before commenting. You miss out on the trending at the time and you don’t get to add more knowledge to your library as you have it.

Why I might agree on some context to this, actions and inactions could do a lot of validation.
Like, if you’re only going to just vote in the polls and not comment, you could be absolute on your response which is validated on the vote cast. Meanwhile like you said, having to read through ensures you’re not making a lot of repetition but rather adds to what has been said, well yeah. That goes too and it obviously means, you still get to read the comments from other users. You get the sense of direction which the thread can’t conclusively give and follow up.

You're right. Incurable.

Let me air my opinion. We have been in this forum together and see how things happen. It is not right to respond to a post while still on the first page without reading through the conversation. But there are some exceptions.
Take for instance, OP created a poll or a similar thread requiring individual unbiased answers. Someone could just read the Op and it is enough to give their answers.
The essence of reading through people's replies before posting is to ensure you are not repeating what others have said and secondly to check if the context of discussion had changed on the way. So, in such posts like polls or something similar, one can just read only OP and still be correct to post. So, check the nature of the post you were referring to in OP before reporting to the campaign manager if necessary.

This was a mistake from me and I take responsibility for that. I have corrected the mistake on the original post. Maybe most people who commented on the thread didn't see the error because the message was clear and understandable. It would have been better if you corrected me on the thread so that other readers would get the correct information. Anyway, thank you for the heads-up.

The mistake was a slight one that shouldn't change the main thrust of the thread if read carefully. The thread was not also hurriedly created, it was just an oversight. Apologies.

It's very easy, because you didn't read what I wrote before replying either, and this is another example of several in this very thread. At least in this case what is relevant is on page 3.

See this:


I'm going to lock it again, and this time for good. It's mission impossible.

I support. I received a notification yesterday, and I saw that my post, which was written in November, was quoted. Furthermore, I think that such behavior shows more than ever how much people do not read the very essence of the thread, do not think about the meaning of raising the topic, and are just in a hurry to fulfill their signature quota. And this seems to be another problem.


This user showed by his example what the majority does.

Didn't mean to defend the users who replied in that thread, but the @OP is also wrong since he didn't use his logic and hurry to make a thread.

It's a mistake, but I think not a big deal, moreover the forum is getting softer from year to year. Probably the thread would be locked instead of moved to trashcan.

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However, I don't understand why people are replying to old post...

Well, spammers are actually a lot in the forum. But I think what OP's point here is to discourage the forum members from posting immediately without reading first those posts from prior pages. Or just prevent posting from those threads who have long pages already, otherwise everything you've post were already mentioned earlier, so you end up bringing back the same ideas and explanation again and again. The best solution is to lock the thread, OP should always monitor the thread he created.

I guess as long as your post is on-topic, that will never get you into a problem. But personally, I also want to post on its first page so that my answer won't end up like a repetitive one on the posters that have post their ideas ahead of me. Nevertheless, OP should lock the thread as soon as he is satisfied with those varied answers coming from different posters. That way, there won't be a lot of repetitive answers that will only end up spamming the forum.

Sometimes, it's usually a fundamental course that the topic and the body of the thread doesn't tally to be understood by the user. At times, OP of a thread do actually make it complicated so some forum members do jump across replies reading in between lines until they finds a reply which is understandable to them and then quote on it with their own terms.

I was one of those who thought that as the forum is supposed to try to take care of the quality of the posts, at least the people who write on page 1 should read the OP carefully and the subsequent posts before writing theirs but I dismissed it as mission impossible a while ago.


In any case, what I report is up to me. And as Alone055 says the problem is that in these cases they have skimmed through the text, so what they respond to has something to with the topic so they are not completely off topic.

When you find someone who doesn't seem to have read what was written in the OP - then you can report it to the moderator. Your job is only to submit report and you can never decide whether it is worth deleting or ignoring. Regardless of what the moderator decides about the post you report - your job is only to report it.

Ignoring such users only solve your own problem - but you can find a solution if you report them to a moderator. If you intend to contribute - then take your share to report such posts and become to top reporter.

I can find and post hundreds of such illogicalities where users have commented on threads without even reading the OP, they read the title and write their response according to it and don't care what is written in the OP. The point is, what after that? We are only going to waste our time doing this because this isn't going to stop. We can't report such things to moderators because they are not completely off-topic, but the answers are just a bit illogical and don't completely match the OP or its context.

We can only correct or call out as many as we can, or simply ignore them and move on because I don't see any clear solution for this problem.

Does that mean that everyone who wrote a post in that thread are regular sig spammers? If you go looking for such illogicalities, you will find them in at least 30% (probably more) of the topics in the Bitcoin discussion and in other boards. I won't say that it's not problematic, but I focused more on the fight against plagiarism, AI and on low value topics in that board and I definitely missed this.

I had locked this thread, but I thought I'd rather unlock it than create a new one. I just came across another example.

The number of Bitcoin and other crypto ATMs has kept increasing this year.

It is clear what the title means, isn't it? Let's look at the OP:


I have bolded something that doesn't add up. 2.564 is not bigger than 2.861 obviously and it is something that nobody has commented on. But if you look at the first comment:


You haven't even heard what the title says or what the OP says, you probably looked at the first paragraph that talks only about the decline in 2023 and ran to write the rubbish. Of course, no one who has commented on the first page has called him out.

Business as usual, I suppose.

Another who hasn't read or hasn't understood. The post I am referring to is not off-topic because it is responding to the subject of the thread, what happens is that his response is based on a falsehood that has been dismantled a few posts ago.

I think it won't take long for me to lock the thread because it's pathetic to see how in this very thread we have examples of the same thing.

Many users mention to use report to moderator button, I disagree since this button doesn't work when you report a post in less moderation sections. As long as you're not post in a row, commit plagiarism, using AI, one liner post, share refs link, or begging, your post high likely will not be deleted.

Ignore will not solve the case.

There are many times has been mentioned spammer would get temporary banned, the question who's the user that get temporary banned due to spam in the past 2 years?

You have a very good point because that's what causes spamming because often times when a thread is created and the OP intentions is to get good answers from different users as soon as the question of the OP is being answered you see most users almost saying same thing over and over again so if an OP has achieved the level of information they requires in a thread, locking it just as you said is the best option in other to avoid spamming the thread.

Bitcointalk is where you will see different people saying the same things in different ways in the same thread. There are people who has no clue of what to contribute in an ongoing conversation, so they wait till the thread spans to 5pages and above, they will simply rephrase someone's else idea and get paid for it. There are users who set notification in order to be the first persons to reply to a post or atleast be on the first page. There are people who do not care about the ongoing conversation, they will just read the Op and drop their own opinion and move their way. They may never return even if they are mentioned or quoted severally.

As LoyceV will say, the freedom enjoyed in this forum is second to none. OP, you cannot force people to read conversations they aren't interested in. If their posts are on point, nice, if not report to a moderator.

Yes, I think that happens often. However, when the post contains opinions or expects opinions from other members, then we don't need to read previous opinions because everyone definitely has their own opinion and doesn't have to agree with the previous opinion. However, if the discussion is about an investigation then we cannot just post it without reading other comments because usually investigations are related to each other's comments to support the results of the investigation.

However, in general, we should read the previous comments, not necessarily all of them but some so that we know the extent of the discussion. However, in my opinion, there is no need to report the post to the campaign manager if the member does not make it a habit because we know that under certain conditions he may be pursuing a posting target for the campaign. However, if it has become a habit, the member needs to be reminded

Or click on All next to the thread page numbers and quickly view left posts. Ignore button is a good option to sort spammers and see only genuine posts, it really saves time.

One can't read responses of topic that has tens of pages and usually it's really done for the purpose of sig campaigns to post in such a thread. There are only a few exceptions where topic is so interesting that you have to read all the pages like this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/petition-to-remove-wasabi-from-recommendations-of-bitcoinorg-5457560
Sometimes people just want to answer to particular post on the last page and that's all. Usually, when someone posts in multiple pages thread without quoting someone, that person is just spamming.

Logically, it's manager's interest to hire a high quality posters whose posts don't get ignored and people see them. When manager chooses low quality posters, campaign won't succeed and automatically this manager won't receive new customers because of low success rate. Just a natural selection, I guess. Problem will be solved without reporting over time.

Do you remember the forum rules guidelines? Of course you should keep that in mind - so just report the post to the moderators and let them get the post deleted for being off-topic or of zero value.

The second point of the forum rules: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

It does not happen often but it does happen obviously one reason is the time I am spending on the forum. The posting counts are more that 10 a day for 4000 days. So with over 45000 posts made getting locked out has happened maybe every other month nah maybe every 3 months. Since pisses me off every time.

Yeah, I have seen your posts and I can surely say that you don't really post in order to reach your min or max campaign posts requirements and I believe that you enjoy posting more and surely most of your posts are highly constructive without any doubt.

Yeah, it's quite annoying to give time to a thread and read most of its posts and when writing your post the thread gets locked by the OP. Although, that never happened with me but I can feel that how annoying it could be.

Such problem really exists and probably it's not that small. Some people are too lazy to read OP, not even talking about remaining posts, they try to comment just after reading title. Offcourse that you can PM his campaign manager and maybe teach that user a bit in this way, but globally, there is no solution for this problem. Just look at social media like Facebook for example. Probably daily you can see people commenting on article just after reading clickbait title. And it's obvious that they didn't read because it's content is completely different from title. So, nothing surprising that such things happens on Bitcointalk too, especially when people are get paid paid fortheir posts. Time is money.

This is something what I haven't thought about. But I'm not really sure that average user who is spamming for signature campaign actively maintains his ignore list.

I often read for hours before posting and I sometimes read one post and ignore the entire thread. It varies quite a bit. This thread interested me in a lot of ways.

  I post far more than necessary to earn the max at my campaign. But sometimes while reading all the posts in a three or four page thread the op locks the thread and my opportunity to post on the thread is gone.
 It is really fucking annoying to read for 20 minutes and type for 5 more and the thread gets locked . <

 I just posted  and wanted to make sure the post got posted. I am now adding more info to flesh out this point. I have to thank the op for posting this as I find it to be interesting idea that I don't like but am willing to explain the reasons why I quick post. then add more to the post.

You're not an alt of cryptohunter by any chance, are you?  If I recall correctly he used to insert his own personal grudges against DT members every chance he could. 

OP, the phenomenon you described might be ever-present on bitcointalk but, as noted, it also happens on other forums as well.  And I'd say this forum is fairly well policed by mods and members who report low-value posts, which is unlike many other forums I've come across.  Report that member if you want to (because I suspect he probably doesn't belong in a campaign, just like so many other members who come here to make a living), but try to keep things in perspective.  I can't say I'm innocent of not reading before I post; it's a bad habit that so far I've been unable to reverse.  Usually I end up reading and sometimes quoting posts into my own after I've hit the post button.

On top of that, the posts don't seem to be of much higher quality on the first page of a thread than they are on the nth page, so it isn't surprising that you're finding people who aren't doing any reading at all.

I often read 1-3 pages of a thread before posting but sometimes when I feel that I can give my opinion and that would be helpful for others then I don't really go through all previous posts. It's someone's own preference to either go directly with a reply or read others posts before posting a reply.

I believe that in some posts it's highly needed to go through others posts but when you're sure that you can write a valuable reply post then I don't think it's necessary to read previous posts. Let's take this thread as example, I have gone through most of the posts before posting my reply but that thing isn't needed in most other posts.

I don't think that it's needed to send a PM to the campaign manager for such things because they already have a lot of work to do and sending them such PM's isn't needed. Some members in a campaign post more the the needed maximum posts of a campaign and in those cases managers often ignore low quality posts and pay an applicant for the posts which are good in quality.

The idea's not necessarily bad.  It just means the answer depends on the subject matter.  If we use this topic for example, literally any member can say the same thing if they feel like it.  but imagine it's topic of a Technical Discussion. After the first question and some helpful responses, OP might post another question or the convo could shift gears and simply go in a new direction.  Now, its definitely annoying when a new person jumps in and comments without reading the chain of dialogue that got it to that point.

This is the issue of the internet and blogging. Me I have time and I can spend 2-3-4 hours a day on this site. Many people don't have time and many don't have pc or internet access. Of course some are just trying to earn coin fast and easy.

Back in 1997 to 2005 time frames I only had internet access at my public library.  Plus I got bumped off the machine after 30 minutes.  Then from 2005 to 2008 I had dial up . So my 'modern' fast internet access started in 2009. I also got a relatively decent Mac mini the 2009 models had i5 2500 style mobile cpu and I put in a 32gb ssd. My Mac mini was the third fastest rating in the two or three sites that had 3 or 4 thousand speed rating on Mac minis.

So when you see a guy that looks rushed and did 1 post just to squeeze some coin from a signature do you know if he or she has a shitty pc/laptop on a limited internet link or is it an a-hole doing 2 or 3 or 4 accounts to score coin.

  I used to really dislike signature campaign but when you consider that 2-3 billion poor people in 'third' world countries get a chance to make some coin and maybe drag their family up a notch from stone cold poverty I have learned to appreciate the signature campaigns.
  Management could do a lot about multiple accounts grabbing 2 or 3 signatures. But trying to say someone needs to read every post before they post is a hard ask.
  
If a thread is 3 pages or less I may read the whole thread and post. When threads get over 10 pages I may read the op's first post and answer like I did here. Depends on how the post was worded. Sometimes I do fuck up and under read or miss that I am repeating an idea.

I guess management could look for multi accounts from 1 ip. that would cut down a ton of shit posting. but hell maybe they do that.

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as I wrote the long post above this was posted and is a really good point.

This is nothing new, and I think it happens more often. Something like this has been discussed in the past when a member made the same comment, which was 95% similar to what the first person said. Sometimes it's just a pretty bad mistake for members who get so lazy to read what others have said, but if it becomes a habit for the member, then it's very questionable. If I see some kind of mistake like that, I can PM the member and try cautioning them, but if it's a repeated mistake, then it can be reported. In my opinion, I would have suggested doing a little dig on that profile to see if it's something they have been doing; if not, then you can just send a PM to the member to warn them. I believe in the saying that "no one is above mistakes." I know that sometimes I get too lazy to read, but in order not to make this kind of mistake, I usually like to quote other comments.

One of the reasons that not everyone mentioned is that some people have a long ignore list, and this list may contain accounts that make high-quality posts.
you may find that even  those accounts that are difficult to post spam will repeat above replies simply because they are on their ignore list.

It happens a lot everywhere because people here are generally not really interested in discussion and instead just leaving their opinion on the matter and moving on another topic. Rinse and repeat until weekly quota has been met.


OP doesn't need psychic abilities to figure that out, at least not for the most obvious cases. For example, every time you see someone asking something that has been already answered in previous posts, you can be pretty sure that he only read OP and pretty much nothing else.

Man philipma1957, of course you don't need more to answer. I expected no less from you, that you understood. The problem here is not the threads where you are asked about your experience of something, such as this thread or others like What was your first experience with gambling? How and when did you get to know bitcoin?

The problem is that I was referring to another thread that is not of this style.  You can see my answer to this thread to see if you understand it better:

Do you know about the first public servant paid in bitcoin ?

The thread is not about one's subjective opinion or experience, it is about objective fact.

And to top it all off in this thread, my one, there is a guy who has protested without having understood anything about the my OP, as I said before.

I read this post and have read no more of the thread.

I find the first post meaning your idea extremely over controlling. I do not need to read anyone else's post or comments even if they say what I just said.

Why is that? because you said "What do you think about this?"

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I now spent the time to read the entire thread. I still am sure my reply to your particular first post made with out reading any more of the thread is correct.

No one said what I did in the other posts. Plus the fact is you still Asked : "What do you think about this?"

Sometimes when asking a question or making a post no-one has to read anything else if the  first post was written a certain way.


So you managed to ask a question that specifically allows anyone to only read the first post and not care about anyone else's comment.

My question for you would be: are you a brilliant writer and worded that first thread post looking to see if someone picks up on the innately clever phrase you put in?

  To all please note I am asking the op the question as I kind of want to know if he is a brilliant writer of very cleverly hidden sarcasm.

Also note I wrote a really long edit because I am deliberately  trying to show I edited the post after reading the other posts.

My answer to the op is the idea is terrible as your own first post demonstrated quite clearly that many first posts in a thread are all you need to read to be able to give a

good answer no matter if it is close to someone else's answer.

Reporting it to mods might be a help? Since it is proven false, and probably considered a spam or spreading misinformation Or just message the manager to take a look on what's the participant's post behaviour just like what you think you're going to do.

LMAO I couldn't miss in this very thread one who hasn't caught what I say in the OP.


Read the OP again. But slowly and carefully, eh? Don't insist on making a fool of yourself.


With people like you who either read so fast or have such poor reading comprehension that you haven't picked up on anything I say in the OP, the conversation is sure to go nowhere.

I think this has been a problem for sometimes now. many people seems to conclude a thread by it's topic and I see the reason to that which are:
1)signature campegn with up to 60 post maximum a week. When dey try to meet the quota of post per week, dey make unnecessary post to cover up there post count.

2)They always feel that there is no need to explain again, perhaps people who has commented has already explain it all so need to again.

3)they always find it difficult to read. They sees it as stress to them, saying who cares if I make a quality post or Read through the forum before commenting.

4) always find it difficult to read a thread that is above 2 pages just as the op said.
With my little knowledge that is what I discovered.

Are you talking about the signature campaign manager? And what will this manager have to do? Give him an exam on his knowledge of the content of previous posts from pages 1 to 23?

And so with each post and with each participant of signature campaigns? Seriously, how do you plan to determine whether a poster has read past posts of other forum members or not?

How did you determine this? Do you have psychic abilities or did that poster admit it himself?

It seems to me that discussing this problem will lead nowhere.

It's like jumping into a movie halfway through and pretending you know the plot. I get the frustration, it can often lead to misunderstandings and repetition. But I think it's important to follow the etiquette of commenting on forum threads. It’s indeed a common courtesy to read previous comments before adding your own, especially if the thread isn’t too long. This helps maintain the flow of the conversation and prevents the repetition of points already made.
Sending a PM to the manager might be a bit like calling for the referee in a game, but if it helps maintain the integrity of the discussion, why not? It's up to the manager to decide whether or not to pay the commenter.
Just two cents of my opinion.

Yeah, we can't overlook the Gambling board either.  And in the Bitcoin Discussion, Beginners & Help boards too...  This issue pops up all over the forum all the time.  Some folks don't seem to think reading other people's posts is worth their time. Especially when they're trying to squeeze in 50-60 posts a week for their sig. campaigns.

It is practically impossible for all the comments in a particular thread to align with the opinion or views of the OP, hence, there are some comments that can be made to correct or throw more light on what is being discussed. If such comments are made, I do not see anything wrong because it is all about engagement and making the discussion elaborate. It only becomes bad if the comment does not flow into the discussion.



Many signature campaign managers expect their participants to criticize, ask questions and contribute to discussion in this forum and this is what they are paid for as they show the visibility of the project they are promoting. If they fail to make meaningful contribution or deviate entirely from the topic of discussion, then they might not be paid and might be reprimanded for bad representation. Therefore, if the said comment does not correlate with the topic of discussion, your actions might yield results else it will amount to a futile effort.

Ignore the users who is having the only intention of trolling and for that ignore option is really helpful but to tackle spammers report to moderators should be the tool, and if the user is having this as habit then eventually they will be in the risk of getting temp banned at least for multiple deleted reports for spam as reason.

Unfortunately, this is something that is a daily occurrence on the forum, because for some, reading other people's posts is obviously a waste of time. It's not just a problem in spam megathreads of 10+ pages, but also in threads of only 1 or 2 pages where you can see older members asking questions that were answered just a few posts above.

There are several options that we can do when we notice such behavior :

1. Report such a post to the moderator as repetitive content/signature spam - and hope that after the deleted post the user will realize that he did something wrong.

2. Publicly warn the user to read what others have written before him in the hope that he will accept the suggestion and be more appropriate in his posts in the future.

3. Report such a user to his campaign manager (if he is in a sig. campaign), although it should be remembered that each manager determines the rules when it comes to megathreads and to which page the post can be paid.

4. Put the user on ignore and pretend that nothing is happening, which is the easiest option, but for me personally, it is also the worst because then nothing will change for sure.

Funny, rather ironic to see you talking about such a subject, I believe you left a neutral tag on me claiming I'm posting spam to reach a quota, yet your reference points to a thread of mine with only a few replies, which if you had completely read the other replies, you would have understood that my post was a sarcastic respond to other replies, but since you are a sig spammer, and a DT abuser, you didn't care to read the other replies, and now you even have an opportunity to do more sig spam.

Now go a head and put your nose in people's posts and act as if you are a moderator, or a DT police, I guess the shame is on you. eh?

In cases like this, I will look at the weight of the topic and also previous replies.
I think it's just an attempt to re-present the previous reply(es) in their own way. There are some users who like to get straight to the point, so the replies they make are sometimes too short and don't explain enough for others.
Also, a user can have many ignore lists.

Yeah it happens alot, most time I see it to caused by misleading topics/titles, some people use bot notification on telegram and this bot delivers only the titles and the first statement of the thread so people sometimes only read the title/topic having see the topic to be very interesting to them so they immediately write base on the topic or title. when posted or when the thread is finally read. They tend to find out the title is very difficult from what body of the thread is talking about. Thereby making the comments look stupid or off discussion before if looked at very well you might find it has little to what the thread of title of thread is talking about.

Most times I have seen senior colleagues commenting numerous list of threads that are related thereby correcting OPs of thread that such thread have been created already your suggestion that it should be locked can make same type of question repeat itself maybe in different forms.

You do not need to message his manager for now. This is very common on this forum. Just start to be checking the first page, you will see other posts that will be saying what others have posted in the beginning of a thread. You can first message them and warn them. If they do not accept warning or still doing like that, then you can report the person to his campaign manager.

Exactly! We can't be winking in the dark on this and expect anyone to decode the sign. Who knows, some other members might learn a thing or two if the vexatious post is disclosed here.

Most times, these "sideline posts" even make the threads page turners and interesting read as they expose angles the OP or other users may not have thought of. I'm sure, there's no one here who hasn't partaken or made "correction" posts.

I sort of agree with you but not no the constructive part one as he is commenting on something already proven false.


Of course, Hhampuz will have his own criteria and I am not the one to tell him what he has to pay or not. Besides, if it's only once, I might give him a pass. As I think I will do, because I said I would send him the PM because I was angry to see that he hasn't even read the first page, but if I find more cases like that I will do it.

It would be much easier to have an opinion if we saw the post.

Otherwise, I would say Despario is right in what he said, other than it is a loophole. If one just wants to reply directly to the OP and share their opinion directly relating to that, then they can. Maybe it's a little careless and people should scroll through before they post in case of a duplicate opinion, it would be a bit hard to enforce though.

It would be good if we could track obvious cases of this over time to measure how common this is.

There are many posts where users go away from the topic of the first post and quote those who responded recently, allegedly maintaining the meaning of the conversation. But this behavior also sometimes proves that users do not read all posts, but choose for themselves the most convenient way to post the next post, which should count towards the quota. I don’t know if it makes sense to re-read all twenty or thirty pages when the answer is already obvious in the first posts of the topic. It would be reasonable to close topics in which communication takes place according to the parrot principle; repeating the same answers, and paraphrasing in your own way is unlikely to be useful to those who are looking for advice or, on the contrary, giving advice.

It happens a lot but there's always a point in a discussion where a post goes astray to address one issue or to supplement the topic being discussed, like in a boxing match discussion between two fighters but the topic goes astray between other fighters to supplement or verified the topic that is being discussed on the main topic

I myself have commented on some topics that need correction from the previous post and my topic is not related to the main topic but it does add value to the topic


It's important to read the main topic but if all the posts only address the main discussion without looking for other posts to correct or verify we will have all replies redundant

You can send a message to the manager but let him decide based on his criteria and not your criteria

It is the race to be on the first page of the thread since it is often the only page that is being read. I'm not sure if the campaign participants today are being mandated to be on the first page of the thread but I'm not gonna be surprised and advertisers would like that.

I think OPs of a thread are to lock the thread whenever it reaches a certain number of pages and his question is answered already. If anyone does have anything else to say, he can create another thread for his issue.

I'd say it's a loophole.

His post is on topic because he gives his opinion to the @OP's post and it's constructive as long as his post has a weight, right? not to mention few campaign managers consider a long post without any point is constructive.

But we as a reader find it's not good since read someone post that repeating a same point that has been mentioned by other user or asking a question that has been answered by other user isn't make any sense.

Honestly I don't really care if it's a newbie or user without signature, but for someone who join a signature campaign, I guess there's need an action.

Yeah, it happens a lot especially in Altcoins board.

This is the second time in a short time that I've seen someone comment on a thread on the first page without having read the previous comments. Does this happen a lot?

I think it's normal that if you comment on page 7 of a thread you're interested in, you should read at least the first page and the page you're going to comment on, or pages 1-2 and 6-7, because in general, when a thread gets longer nobody reads all the pages, especially if you're commenting for the first time.

This also happens in other forums, and it is something we have commented on in our local board. Here the payment for signature campaigns may have an influence, but I visit other forums and if I comment on a thread for the first time on page 23, there's no way I've read the previous 23 pages.

But not reading the first page, especially if the thread is only one page long is a cardinal sin.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?