Topic: People not reading page 1 comments discussion thread. (Read 817 times)

Seeing that, as seen in previous posts, it is commonly accepted that one can comment without reading, even if you comment on the first page and have not read the comment before yours, I proceed to lock both threads. I might even start doing the same, lol.

As far as I remember I have only received clear support from you and 1miau, the rest have been scepticism, like 'but we know that nobody reads anything' even from people with a reputation and a lot of seniority in the forum, and others have simply not said anything, so it must not have seemed like a good idea in general.

And another thing is that I've set the bar low that it's very easy for people to escape being punished by the manager by not getting paid for reported posts, because if you have 25 posts of maximum paid quota, normally people write more, like 28 or 30, and many of them are going to be written on page 3 or more, so they don't meet the criteria to be reported.

So a likely scenario for a repeat offender is that they write 2 posts a week on page 1 or 2 but don't read the comments on page 1, however as they write a total of 30 and get paid 25 there are no negative consequences for them.

Can you really do that, knowing that you are already aware of this, and you will always find someone doing this because you are in the habit of reading and checking
discussions, if ever you abandon this thread and you leave it open or not locked there will always be one of us here reporting members who violate.
It's just a matter of time before many will take your lead and catch members.
And it's a good call-out for members who are in a hurry to drop their posts without reading the substance of the discussion.

Well, I'm thinking of abandoning the mission as mission impossible. Look at this thread:

Delete my account

It is full of examples and that is not the bad thing. The bad thing is that I reported it to be locked, because the thread was born of a confusion that has already been clarified, the moderators have left the thread open, leaving my report in unhandled and among the answers that are being added there are some that either partially repeat what has already been said or have not read the previous comments. In Meta. If that happens in Meta what won't happen in the rest of the forum.

I'll quote the great philipma1957 here


And now look at my reporting thread, where a user like JeromeTash, from whom I would expect a certain quality in what he writes, and that implies having read the posts on the first page, doesn't do so either.

So far you're doing great on your thread all the reports are valid and uncontested I will not be surprised if this becomes a reference for managers when accepting and retaining participants, the task is not easy and it sometimes takes time to catch those guilty.
So keep it up, but is there a sort of appeal for those listed in your report, or is there a time involved, I may have missed it but I did not see it in your rules for reporting.

What I don't like is to waste my time with people who don't stop talking rubbish, so I'm going to put you on my ignore list.

OK, I'll try to report it.

Why are you suddenly accusing me of being an alt account? Is it because you read the tags on my profile? If you have proof, please open a topic on the reputation board, I think what you are talking about is off topic

This is my third post, it seems like you don't like it when people have different opinions

No, is not off topic it's absolutely on topic and I challenge you to prove it is off topic by reporting the post. If it is off topic the moderators will delete it.

This is already the second time I've seen you talking shit in the thread, and seeing as you're probably an alt account, I understand why you're so nervous and get so upset when someone reports people for posting without reading.

You're not entirely wrong, but it's a different case as he said "off topic should be report to moderator instead of report in his thread".


I'm not that sure if it's 100% off topic (but you can report his post) because such post usually not get deleted by moderator, similar like user who only post about "move this thread" or "lock this topic" but the user write additional characters in order to meet the campaign requirement (150 characters).

People just don't like to read, everybody are concentrated in their own thoughts and selfishness to worried about to read other people posts'

I like a lot this:

Is this what is called off topic? and as far as I know, off topic is even worse because it is clearly prohibited by forum rules.

Don Pedro Dinero : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63127997

I think if you give a warning in the thread, then your writing will be off topic and also not related at all to the thread and question. That's the same as not reading the post the OP wrote

You can't control it, actually. Do you know that even many users don't read the post made by OP? They just reply based on the topic title. When companies and managers pay for posting on the forum, participants just think about meeting the weekly requirements. They just need to increase the post count. They really don't care about real engagement.

To be honest, identifying these types of users is too hard. Because the manager will not verify each post for each user in this manner. You may see a few users, and you bring up this issue. But sadly, everyone knows about this issue. I am pretty sure these users are not going to change their behaviour, or something else will start. It means it's quite impossible to prevent totally.

Well, let me explain to you the main reason why it is a good idea to create such a thread: because I think it will be a deterrent. Eventually people will know that there is a thread to report those who don't read the comments on the first page and I think that will make more than one person read them before writing the first thing that pops into their head to meet the quota.


If he disagrees, he can challenge it in the same reporting thread. But I will give you another example that I did not put on that list:


He later admitted the mistake, and as it is longer ago than the other two cases, I have not included it in the report.

Very interesting I may not agree with you creating a thread for this, but you do have a valid reason for BlackBoss_ case on that discussion I have presented the fact based on the article I provided, @BitDane already quoted me on that fact, if  BlackBoss_  only read those quoted post by @Bitdane then he will not base his posts based on assumption, obviously, he only relies on OP's thread.
Obviously, BlackBoss_  is not subscribed to the Bitcointalk bot, if he is, he will address your call out and maybe delete his thread or apologize, what's your take if you call out the member and he did apologize or delete his thread will he still be part of your report?

I think this is where another problems is coming from, most user finds it very difficult to just read the op instead are preferred replying with the title or topic of the post, I have also created similar topic and concern in our local sections but I got unwanted and invaluable feedback. Which I think it would be very hard for almost 50 percents users to read through all the first page or even read the second pages..
The only solution to this is for managers to set restrictions and limitations to their campaign not to post in thread order than 7 pages to 10 pages as few suggested which would help to reduce this spam because to me I can consider it spamming otherwise it's better to reports than involving the managers I believe they all had rules and regulations that guilds their applicant and I know too well that anyone who doesn't follow the instructions won't be paid but for you to pm manager not to pay their workers due to what you think is not important doesn't worth it at any cost. Its better their manager have the final decision and not you to decides whom the manager get paid or not.

Okay let say if such rules are being implemented don't you also think that we might face another problem whereby campaignner would keep creating unsolicited topics in other to meet their weekly quota? Yes we would also find out unwanted and irrelevant topic being flooded every day by day. Please don't quote me wrongly or misunderstood me but, I am also trying to drive a point whereby if a poster doesn't read through the first page and they went on making their reply it's assumed that they replied based on the title which the information they are trying convey may not have a clear passages to what the body of content is saying. At this point we can say they are lazy to read the entire op hence we can report such post to mod instead of involving their managers.

This same scenario again is what actually makes some users to always wanting to post first immediately op drops the topic this would also lead to another targets were campaigner would have to be active to always reply first page and guess what? Not all first page posters are quality posters most of them just speedily want to reply in order to gain merits because I have came across a post were someone posted immediately the op posts it and it was said to be alt of the op which also lingered to another problem whereby the replier has to defend himself not to be his alt rather always active to make sure he replied on the first page (2 to 3 ) after op. I think this case is complex case maybe very hard to handle because there are many dead thread we don't always reply or people don't finds its interesting because of this same issues, you would see someone will go rephrase a thread and create another topic to continue same discussion that was already been discussed in those thread but due to this same similar issues they are led to create another topic in other to keep their signature paid going.

To me the solution to this is report to mod and let the board keep going for more discussion, not every first page post are meaningful, we do have some meaningful and useful post even at page 20 or 30, then thing is people are too lazy to read op because if they do they would surely have a creative idea to make a great post, watch those who always have patients to read op their post are always genuine and different and you will know such poster isn't posting to meet their quota rather posting to pass knowledge. I think I have to stop here for now.

Thank you for your understanding..

I'm not talking about those posts. If you go to the two examples I have compiled, neither of them are low value or off topic. The first is on topic because it answers the question but by answering without reading robelneo's answer it is assuming something that has already been shown to be false. The second case is neither low value nor off topic, which is redundant because you haven't read what the OP himself said a few comments later on the first page.

The ones that are reportable I will report and the ones that are like these cases I will compile.


I'm not talking about that, so far I've been talking about cases that comment on the first page (or the first comment on the second page) and they haven't even read a couple of comments above, because if they had read them they wouldn't write what they have written.

I will specify it better in the reporting thread.

It's good that you posted that you will leave it all to the managers to decide and not what you previously posted that
and I'm sure this is a big help to the managers to assess the participants
behavior.

I think it should be on the behavior or mindset of the participant since the participants on many campaigns are not paid on a pay-per-post basis but on the maximum number of posts they completed, so if a participant only needs 25 posts and he did 35 posts and he only had 1 post reported here he still deserves to get paid.
What will sound an alarm for a participant to get tagged is post bursting because it is not good for the brand they are representing, participants without knowing or being aware of it may miss some posts and may have overlooked them when creating their posts, I have corrected some and they do apologize for that and I am also guilty of this and I also apologize and we move on and get better next time, it's as simple as that.

This is my opinion based on my experience, we all make a mistake from time to time and we just need a call-out, managers do it in their spreadsheet and not on the official campaign thread

I'm looking forward to the next thread about grammatical errors or missing punctuation  

3 threads in a row. nice! well, it looks like he found himself a niche that he is passionate about. he is dedicated. it's a noble cause. i'm sure he would not mind if someone would chip in and help him. 1miau is backing him up already. it would make a good laugh of him if he found a post not related to the topic nor to the OP but got merited. 
will watch the thread and cheer. 

Are you serious about creating a new thread for this issue? I agree with the other members and reporting to the moderator is a wise choice. Making lists won't have any impact unless they make it a habit. It seems like once or twice, sometimes we catch up with the number of posts, and that's quite logical because sometimes our busyness in the real world means we can't be online all the time.

Honestly, I don't agree if there is a thread list for users who don't read the first page, especially if the member only made a mistake once or twice, if what he did is a habit then it's worth writing on the list. Because being on the list was like destroying one's reputation because of a small mistake

Preparing a public list will not contribute to solving the problem. Look for the account’s posts. Is this a systematic behavior that account does to obtain payments or does that account ignore those who have replied above?

Make a list of 5 to 10 posts for each account and report them to the campaign manager. I expect the campaign manager to remove that member and send you the week's payments.

If the list was in private, it would reduce any new Reputation drama.