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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on March 11, 2012, 10:55:29 PM

Quote from: Transisto on March 11, 2012, 10:54:04 PM

So Just now, I am committing to a 5BTC bounty to have a "Ignored by # peoples" feature besides usernames.

Awesome idea. I up the bounty another 5BTC, to 10 BTC. Make a new thread about this please (unless you ignored me too )

Here Matthew, Meta, Feature request thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/feature-added-color-besides-usernames-for-ignored-by-of-established-members-68329

hehe for some time yes, I was only ignoring the stupid horse logo, I didn't knew it was you.

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Quote from: Transisto on March 11, 2012, 10:54:04 PM

So Just now, I am committing to a 5BTC bounty to have a "Ignored by # peoples" feature besides usernames.

Awesome idea. I up the bounty another 5BTC, to 10 BTC. Make a new thread about this please (unless you ignored me too Cry

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Replying to the title only.

I've noticed that I now have many speculation thread with ~90% of people ignored.

I think there are many of big posters who only try to raise their post-count to give appearance having some reputation.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 2000-3000 post account would end up being sold to the highest bidders.

SUBs such as Specu... and off-topic are very prone to non-sense postings. I have no idea why off topic threads should be tolerated if off-topic post are not.

So Just now, I am committing to a 5BTC bounty to develop the "Ignored by # peoples" feature besides usernames.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 10:19:49 PM

I am not trying to usurp the legal tender with something I make in a garden shed.

Really? Because that's exactly my goal. I didn't create Bitcoin, and I don't have a garden shed, but I hope to heat my garage with Bitcoin miners next winter! Legal tender laws can, for the lack of better words, suck it. Granted, I am not going to break those laws. I'll just continue to opt out.

Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 10:19:49 PM

Edit: US justice system != elite bankers

It may not, but why would the system have rules about creating a currency or punish people for creating one? What's the big deal? They are probably better off letting the "loonies" do what they want, as long as they aren't harming others.

My shed leaks, and the power to the garage is pretty poor (plus no network connection). But your point is nicely expressed.

Did you know loonie is the Canadian dollar? I don't normally consider myself a duck or crazy.

One of the interesting things mostly forgotten is that many major banks are owned by a distributed group of stock holders. They might be managed funds, other companies or pension funds, and some of those ultimately pay the retirement income of thousands of people doing "shit" jobs. Several years back I had shares in a large bank, had some dividend and capital gain and sold them. They were making $1000/year in fees per customer on average, and I was part owner (so that makes me a scumbag banker). I have also worked a front counter in a branch for four months before I bailed out of the banking sector because I hated it).

As for FBI or not Secret Service doing the bidding or Corporates, I think that's a little off topic and I thought other agencies would be easier to hire.

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Quote from: benjamindees on March 11, 2012, 10:22:45 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on March 11, 2012, 07:23:02 PM

I work for HSBC

oh my GOD. HOW DID YOU FIND THAT. Erase that immediately, it violates my copyright.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on March 11, 2012, 07:23:02 PM

I work for HSBC

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on March 11, 2012, 10:17:52 PM

Oh, you mean the hippie (Bernard von NotHaus) who ignored Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution of his own country that states that the power to coin money and to regulate the value of it is delegated to Congress, and went ahead and mixed Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States since 1998 to try to limit reliance on, and to compete with, United States currency, which is illegal?

I love how you think the means justify the ends.

Ahh, so more about your character leaks out Matthew - you really are a sack of shit. Article I, Section 8 doesn't give any EXCLUSIVE right to coin money as money at the time was just silver. There were plenty of private mints producing silver coins throughout the 19th century and not one of them was shut down for violating the Constitution.

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I've read about Liberty Dollars and the crime associated with it, it is hardly comparable. I am not trying to usurp the legal tender with something I make in a garden shed.

Edit: US justice system != elite bankers

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on March 11, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:57:59 PM

I would have thought the "elite" would not deign to lower themselves to the level of bitcoin as it would be easy for them to be dismissive (arrogance or ignorance). I don't notice an overt bias in the trolling against bitcoin, but then my own bias might filter that out (ref Holliday filtering how he reads things occasionally.)

They "lowered" themselves enough to prosecute a 60 something year old hippie for making silver coins, and bitcoin is more threatening than Liberty Dollar ever was.

Oh, you mean the hippie (Bernard von NotHaus) who ignored Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution of his own country that states that the power to coin money and to regulate the value of it is delegated to Congress, and went ahead and mixed Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States since 1998 to try to limit reliance on, and to compete with, United States currency, which is illegal?

I love how you think the means justify the ends.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:57:59 PM

I would have thought the "elite" would not deign to lower themselves to the level of bitcoin as it would be easy for them to be dismissive (arrogance or ignorance). I don't notice an overt bias in the trolling against bitcoin, but then my own bias might filter that out (ref Holliday filtering how he reads things occasionally.)

They "lowered" themselves enough to prosecute a 60 something year old hippie for making silver coins, and bitcoin is more threatening than Liberty Dollar ever was.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:24:22 PM

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Philosophically, I can't think of banking and elite being used properly in the same sentence (a malapropism) like military intelligence.

Seriously? Controlling the banks and the creation of currency is the work of the lower class, right?

If you believe in classes, then you can elevate ordinary people to some exhalated position, but in reality they are just people. To suggest they are better than you are tells me you need more self esteem. I give you credit for being able to do things well, and we have seen many people (including leaders of large companies and banks) screw up worse than most people that contribute to this forum.

I think you're injecting your own meaning for "elite" into this. You said "To suggest they are better than you"...that is not what I mean by "elite" and "lower class". I am using those terms in their usual meaning in regards to finances. Those with control of the monetary system have a shitload more money and resources. They are 'elite' because they own yachts and can pay hundreds of employees. 'Lower class' are people trying to get by with a shitty job.

'Classes' in the modern world SHOULD be determined by ability - the way you are defining them - but that isn't the generally perceived notion.

Ah, so a simple material wealth/power metric. Maybe I'm being too wishful, but to get things back on track:

I would have thought the "elite" would not deign to lower themselves to the level of bitcoin as it would be easy for them to be dismissive (arrogance or ignorance). I don't notice an overt bias in the trolling against bitcoin, but then my own bias might filter that out (ref Holliday filtering how he reads things occasionally.)

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:24:22 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on March 11, 2012, 09:11:43 PM

Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:02:59 PM

Philosophically, I can't think of banking and elite being used properly in the same sentence (a malapropism) like military intelligence.

Seriously? Controlling the banks and the creation of currency is the work of the lower class, right?

If you believe in classes, then you can elevate ordinary people to some exhalated position, but in reality they are just people. To suggest they are better than you are tells me you need more self esteem. I give you credit for being able to do things well, and we have seen many people (including leaders of large companies and banks) screw up worse than most people that contribute to this forum.

I think you're injecting your own meaning for "elite" into this. You said "To suggest they are better than you"...that is not what I mean by "elite" and "lower class". I am using those terms in their usual meaning in regards to finances. Those with control of the monetary system have a shitload more money and resources. They are 'elite' because they own yachts and can pay hundreds of employees. 'Lower class' are people trying to get by with a shitty job.

'Classes' in the modern world SHOULD be determined by ability - the way you are defining them - but that isn't the generally perceived notion.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:24:22 PM

Also, thank you Holliday for your reply. Not quite the point I was making - I should have made it clearer.

Sometimes I read things and see what I want, instead of seeing what the author intended. Grin

And in this case I was correctly punished for it.

So, if I paid you in bitcoin, you could troll and I would be "banking elite" (i.e. better than someone else).

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on March 11, 2012, 09:11:43 PM

Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:02:59 PM

Philosophically, I can't think of banking and elite being used properly in the same sentence (a malapropism) like military intelligence.

Seriously? Controlling the banks and the creation of currency is the work of the lower class, right?

If you believe in classes, then you can elevate ordinary people to some exhalated position, but in reality they are just people. To suggest they are better than you are tells me you need more self esteem. I give you credit for being able to do things well, and we have seen many people (including leaders of large companies and banks) screw up worse than most people that contribute to this forum.

Also, thank you Holliday for your reply. Not quite the point I was making - I should have made it clearer.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 11, 2012, 09:02:59 PM

Philosophically, I can't think of banking and elite being used properly in the same sentence (a malapropism) like military intelligence.

Seriously? Controlling the banks and the creation of currency is the work of the lower class, right?

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Voted no, but of course there is no way to be sure. I've seen no particular evidence (unlike, say, 9/11 being a false flag.)

I suspect that the 'banking elite' are actually favorable to Bitcoin as it solve problems they might have to a much greater extent than us plebs here on this forum. I think it just as likely that the surprisingly favorable mainstream-ish coverage is some sort of (or evidence of) 'elite' interest in Bitcoin (again, in a positive direction.) Basically it would be a waste of time to dick around with bitcointalk.org, and probably dangerous given that the operators are likely strongly supportive of Bitcoin and would like nothing better than to catch 'manipulators' red-handed.

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If I pay someone to troll this thread can I be banking elite? I could pay several people (would bitcoins be ok), but some will do it for free anyway. More realistically, we'd have to pay the bankers because they don't do anything for free (a fee maybe).

Philosophically, I can't think of banking and elite being used properly in the same sentence (a malapropism) like military intelligence. Otherwise, I assume chaos theory might suggest order coming from the randomness of the mixed views that propagate that the guys across at MasterCard will be unhappy with.

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So, to recap, the answer was "yes".

And just to correct some of the trolling in this thread, of course Bitcoin is libertarian. It is a completely voluntary currency.

And Bitcoin would never succeed as simply a less efficient Paypal alternative. If you really believe that, lol you're an idiot.

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Are you sitting on your ass all day reading comics or working your ass off trying to get money?

Neither! I'm making money sitting on my ass reading comics.

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Oh, I apologize, which other forms of money were you talking about specifically? Commodity money? I've never used it personally. So I picked the most common and obvious, fiat.

Ripple?

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Don't be naive. One crypto currency to rule them all? And here I stand, arms open ready to embrace it.

Word.

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Err... they don't just use fiat, they control it.

And Bitcoin isn't controlled?

Who is developing it?

If you had a problem with the way it's being developed, would your opinion be heeded?

Can't someone with a small fortune easily manipulate the Bitcoin market and create bubbles?

That's not a "banking elite" problem, that's a "human greed" problem, and it will outlive fiat, long after Bitcoin and any other replacement.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on March 11, 2012, 07:52:45 PM

Just like money, it exists apart from agendas and politics.

Fiat money exists apart from agendas and politics? Sorry, I don't believe you.

I said money, not fiat money. Don't put words in my mouth brah. I have no misconception that the USD is in fact completely worthless and a scam.

Bitcoin however, is not going to change the world. People will change the world. If Bitcoin replaced every instance of USD right now at this moment, you think people still wouldn't be getting loans, mortgages, charging taxes, fighting the war on drugs, etc? If anything, Bitcoin is going to open the door to the scariest future imaginable-- a future with only one government, only one police, only one currency.

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